Here is a statement from someone who is very familiar with the Mormon religion:

14,000,000 members and a net worth of somewhere around $80 billion - a very young religion (about 175 years) which, from it's very beginning, has been focused on ruling America - some of Joseph Smith's earliest 'prophesies' said that the mormon church would save America, rule it, make it righteous, no matter what - and hand it to jesus when he came back to close up shop.

The Mormon religion couldn't be more White Male. They are mostly very wealthy people. And very conservative and patriarchal.

Religion is story, and living in story is no virtue.  

Here is a statement from someone who is very familiar with the Mormon religion:

14,000,000 members and a net worth of somewhere around $80 billion - a very young religion (about 175 years) which, from it's very beginning, has been focused on ruling America - some of Joseph Smith's earliest 'prophesies' said that the mormon church would save America, rule it, make it righteous, no matter what - and hand it to jesus when he came back to close up shop.

The Mormon religion couldn't be more White Male. They are mostly very wealthy people. And very conservative and patriarchal.

Religion is story, and living in story is no virtue.  

Romney's failings had nothing to do with his religion. You might say the way that he approached his religious life was one of the virtuous things about him. His problem IMO was his lack of compassion for the poor, working class or at least the complete ignorance of it having lived an entire life of pure capitalistic priviledge. Romney was no idealogue unless you consider his worship of money at all cost an idealogy which I suppose you could argue.  As a matter of fact, his lack of idealogy is what the Evangelicals that rule the Republican party did NOT like about him therefore he had to pretend he cared about their concerns when he clearly did not, ala Reagan.

Mitt Romney is deeply ingrained in the Mormon story, and it is what runs his life. When any person is such an ideologue, they can't help but be out of touch with the "other."

Like most men, he probably had both good and bad in him.  If he really was the highly virtuous person some make him out to be, he should have refused the dubious/quasi-legal machinations that Bain Capital went through to minimize his tax burden.

You can be supremely virtuous and be severely out of touch with the common man.  Even if they had let "Mitt be Mitt", that fact by itself would probably still have been his undoing in a close, hard fought campaign.

Just saw this.  Tis indeed sad, but oh well.

I doubt we will ever see men of real honest conviction run again.

The man was pretty much scandal free growing up as the only things that could be found was an incident over a dog and a haircut and they were eons ago in his life, relatively speaking.

We will end up with variations of Max Headroom from now on.  Just manufactured candidates that the parties find to suit there needs.

I've stayed out of the election thread and should probably stay out of this one, but....

People willing to play at that level all have suspect motives. But they also have noble intents. No one wanting to go through all of the hassle and heartache to make a presidential bid wants to do harm to this country. The things said about Romney and the fear fostered were way out of proportion to the reality.  

That means also that the things said about Obama and the fear fostered on that side were equally false. Obama is no more going to give the government over to the socialists than Romney was going to give it to the corpratists. The big scandals you dug up for Obama were his birth certificate and the church he went to.  You fell hook, line and sinker for the same crap that you are accusing the other side of.  They even got you to come out and work for them, despite the fact that you stated you didn't really even like him as a candidate. The last four years haven't seen us given over to the socialists, property hasn't been seized, taxes haven't been raised to support hordes of lazy welfare queens, guns are still for sale and the only bullet shortages have been because the supply couldn't keep up with demand (I'd say Democratic presidencies have been very good for the armory business).

We've had a weak recovery following a very bad recession, and we'll continue to see growth, not because everything that Washington does is good or bad, because Americans get up every day and go out and do.  Tax, regulation, foreign and social policies all play a part in how things work. And both parties have some differing thoughts on what works best. But neither is completely right, and neither wants to do anything to hold back the country.  There intents are noble, and whether or not they help us, we will get up and go forth and do work.  

The powers that be will try to hold their positions by whatever means necessary. It is up to us to demand better from our representatives. If we fall victim to the fear mongering on either side, then this cycle will continue. America will go forward regardless. What we get out of it as citizens is up to us.

I've stayed out of the election thread and should probably stay out of this one, but....

People willing to play at that level all have suspect motives. But they also have noble intents. No one wanting to go through all of the hassle and heartache to make a presidential bid wants to do harm to this country. The things said about Romney and the fear fostered were way out of proportion to the reality.  

That means also that the things said about Obama and the fear fostered on that side were equally false. Obama is no more going to give the government over to the socialists than Romney was going to give it to the corpratists. The big scandals you dug up for Obama were his birth certificate and the church he went to.  You fell hook, line and sinker for the same crap that you are accusing the other side of.  They even got you to come out and work for them, despite the fact that you stated you didn't really even like him as a candidate. The last four years haven't seen us given over to the socialists, property hasn't been seized, taxes haven't been raised to support hordes of lazy welfare queens, guns are still for sale and the only bullet shortages have been because the supply couldn't keep up with demand (I'd say Democratic presidencies have been very good for the armory business).

We've had a weak recovery following a very bad recession, and we'll continue to see growth, not because everything that Washington does is good or bad, because Americans get up every day and go out and do.  Tax, regulation, foreign and social policies all play a part in how things work. And both parties have some differing thoughts on what works best. But neither is completely right, and neither wants to do anything to hold back the country.  There intents are noble, and whether or not they help us, we will get up and go forth and do work.  

The powers that be will try to hold their positions by whatever means necessary. It is up to us to demand better from our representatives. If we fall victim to the fear mongering on either side, then this cycle will continue. America will go forward regardless. What we get out of it as citizens is up to us.

Just saw this.  Tis indeed sad, but oh well.

I doubt we will ever see men of real honest conviction run again.

The man was pretty much scandal free growing up as the only things that could be found was an incident over a dog and a haircut and they were eons ago in his life, relatively speaking.

We will end up with variations of Max Headroom from now on.  Just manufactured candidates that the parties find to suit there needs.

he sure spent enough time MONEY with the campaign....

Really? This was an honest man of conviction? He lied and flip flopped through the entire election, with absolutely no convictions whatsoever. And he had the most dishonest men in the country backing him.

Maybe if he behaved like a man of conviction, he would have been more believable.

Why Romney Lost
by David Frum

The long and short of it is that the "cloth coat" GOP electorate lack the guts to face reality, and chose to listen to "a beautiful lie", becoming the patsies of GOP narrowcasters.

Damn skippy. Have you seen enough Kurt to finally join me in my fight against the duopoly?