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Posted: Jan 25, 2011 - 9:11am

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Hitler And Nazi Drug Use

"A Need for Speed"
During World War II in Nazi Germany, the only thing considered more imperative than committing genocide against the people of Jewish descent, was devising ways to inevitably defeat their foes.   The merciless German researchers would stop at nothing to try and enhance their chances at constructing the "super race".   Along with all the pharmaceutical help, researchers needed to experiment with these new drugs to ensure their effectiveness. Prisoners of concentration camps were forced to take these experimental drugs and have their limits tested.   While the Americans' secret weapon was the atomic bomb, Germany tried to win the war with their own secret weapon—drugs.
Using stimulant drugs was frequent practice for the Nazi army of Germany throughout World War II.   German officials declared that drugs such as Pervitin and Isophan were anticipated to facilitate the German soldiers on the front's fights with nearly unlimited endurance towards the conclusion of the war (Drugscope).

 

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Posted: Jan 25, 2011 - 9:10am

Twenty years after Alexander the Great defeated Poros, one of his generals, Seleukos Nikator, the Conqueror, invaded the Punjab in 303 BC and was defeated by Chandragupta, the first emperor of the Maurya line. Chandragupta’s minister, Kautilya (also known as Chanaka), wrote a guide on statecraft called ‘Athashastra’ similar to ‘The Prince’ which Machiavelli (1469-1527) wrote later; two volumes of the Arthashastra and parts of other volumes are devoted to the conduct of war.

The Arthashastra stated that the army should consist of  elephants, chariots, cavalry, infantry and have labourers, camels and bullocks for transport.

The elephant played an important role in Hindu mythology, in it the world is  supported on elephants. The elephant  was considered  of great military importance; like tanks  elephants frightened the enemy, they were the shock troops, the striking force in the attack and played an important role in the defence. They were  employed for standing in attendance, marching together, fighting with elephants, trampling and killing infantry, for assaulting towns and general fighting; they were prepared for battle with wine and opium, goaded with iron spikes during battle, they were equipped with bells and their  tusks were tipped with long dagger like blades, seven or more warriors rode on an elephant shot arrows and used  spears from its back.  Elephants were also useful in building earthworks, roads, forcing entrance into difficult places, they were useful in crossing rivers and above all they denoted the magnificence of the ruler.

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Posted: Jan 25, 2011 - 9:04am

Hitler And Nazi Drug Use

"A Need for Speed"
During World War II in Nazi Germany, the only thing considered more imperative than committing genocide against the people of Jewish descent, was devising ways to inevitably defeat their foes.   The merciless German researchers would stop at nothing to try and enhance their chances at constructing the "super race".   Along with all the pharmaceutical help, researchers needed to experiment with these new drugs to ensure their effectiveness. Prisoners of concentration camps were forced to take these experimental drugs and have their limits tested.   While the Americans' secret weapon was the atomic bomb, Germany tried to win the war with their own secret weapon—drugs.
Using stimulant drugs was frequent practice for the Nazi army of Germany throughout World War II.   German officials declared that drugs such as Pervitin and Isophan were anticipated to facilitate the German soldiers on the front's fights with nearly unlimited endurance towards the conclusion of the war (Drugscope).
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Posted: Jan 25, 2011 - 9:02am

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Methamphetamine was apparently more widely used by the Japanese army during WWIIWiki page as well - for what that's worth.
 

Stimulant Use in Extended Flight Operations

LT COL RHONDA CORNUM, USA
DR. JOHN CALDWELL
LT COL KORY CORNUM, USAF

PSYCHOSTIMULANTS, particularly amphetamine, became available in America for clinical use in 1937, and since then have been widely prescribed. More recently, their beneficial effects have been overshadowed by the recognition of a significant abuse potential.  Nevertheless, the military services, particularly the Air Force, have recognized the value of psychostimulants under certain conditions.  Use of amphetamine, at the direction of the unit commander and under the supervision of the flight surgeon, has been sanctioned by some components of the Air Force since 1960 and by the tactical air forces until 1991.  In March 1991, following successful completion of Operation Desert Storm, the chief of staff of the Air Force sent a message terminating the policy of allowing in—flight medications, including amphetamines, by Air Force personnel.

This article briefly outlines the historical development, mechanism of action, and effects of amphetamine on normal personnel.  It then discusses the value of these agents in military operations, the safety record, and the concerns that may have been the impetus for banning their use.  Finally, it concludes that, in light of their value to mission accomplishment—especially in the absence of demonstrable negative effects—the ban on amphetamines should be rescinded.



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Posted: Jan 25, 2011 - 8:48am

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Hitler, yes.  The entire German army, probably not.

  
Methamphetamine was apparently more widely used by the Japanese army during WWIIWiki page as well - for what that's worth.

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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 11:36pm

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 Wedding Dress

 No doubt you looked through magazines and through online...


 
But have you seen the TCM colorized classic " They shoot brides don't they?".

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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 9:01pm

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Yup. Entire. 
 
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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 9:00pm

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Hitler, yes.  The entire German army, probably not.
 
Yup. Entire. 
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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 8:57pm

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Well, it sure was to me as well.  I know my Dad and my uncles never said anything about something like that.  They did say there was a lot of boozing at times. (not during fighting or battles, more was done on leaves)

Jrzy mentioned {#Arrowd} watching a History channel show about Hitlers drug addiction.  Amphetamines went under different pharm names according to the article she linked to.
 
Hitler, yes.  The entire German army, probably not.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 8:56pm

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As a lifelong amateur military historian I can't remember ever hearing or reading anything about any use - widespread, official or otherwise - of speed or anything resembling it by any of the armies that participated in WW2.  Not saying it's not something that might have actually occurred, but it would be news to me if so.

 
Well, it sure was to me as well.  I know my Dad and my uncles never said anything about something like that.  They did say there was a lot of boozing at times. (not during fighting or battles, more was done on leaves)

Jrzy mentioned {#Arrowd} watching a History channel show about Hitlers drug addiction.  Amphetamines went under different pharm names according to the article she linked to.

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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 8:47pm

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well that was pretty interesting.  I didn't know that Hitler & the German army were using speed. Or our own air force for that matter.  I had heard that the Japanese kama kaze pilots were given them before flights.  Even armies using drugs way back to the time of Alexander the Great.  Really gives a person pause, when you think about it.  "Supermen", or so the drugs may have led them to believe.  {#Sad}
 
As a lifelong amateur military historian I can't remember ever hearing or reading anything about any use - widespread, official or otherwise - of speed or anything resembling it by any of the armies that participated in WW2.  Not saying it's not something that might have actually occurred, but it would be news to me if so.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2011 - 8:01pm

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nope, i literally had no idea!  pretty interesting.  i just thought meth was "newer" because i don't remember hearing about it until probably about 10 years ago when it started ruining peoples' lives, and then they pulled sudafed off the shelves, etc. plus, since they use sudafed to make it, NOW, anyway...i just figured it was a modern inventions.

thanks, jrz, too
 
well that was pretty interesting.  I didn't know that Hitler & the German army were using speed. Or our own air force for that matter.  I had heard that the Japanese kama kaze pilots were given them before flights.  Even armies using drugs way back to the time of Alexander the Great.  Really gives a person pause, when you think about it.  "Supermen", or so the drugs may have led them to believe.  {#Sad}

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Posted: Jan 23, 2011 - 8:02am

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Oh lord yes, the entire German army was kept tweeked to do those long marches. Virtually all armies going back to ancient times were on uppers of some sort. In South America it is Coca leaves; now of course synthesized Cocaine. Alexander fed his armies Opium to cover extraordinary distances in a short time and so forth.
 
nope, i literally had no idea!  pretty interesting.  i just thought meth was "newer" because i don't remember hearing about it until probably about 10 years ago when it started ruining peoples' lives, and then they pulled sudafed off the shelves, etc. plus, since they use sudafed to make it, NOW, anyway...i just figured it was a modern inventions.

thanks, jrz, too

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Posted: Jan 23, 2011 - 7:40am

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i had no idea!  i thought it was a newish thing....hm....
 
Oh lord yes, the entire German army was kept tweeked to do those long marches. Virtually all armies going back to ancient times were on uppers of some sort. In South America it is Coca leaves; now of course synthesized Cocaine. Alexander fed his armies Opium to cover extraordinary distances in a short time and so forth.

Edit: and of course our Air Force was notorious for doling out amphetamines to the pilots to keep them sharp. This was done as part of regular procedure until the 90's or so when Meth started to become a real national problem. You know, same ol, same ol. The war machine doles out the drugs on a regular basis while its citizens get put in jail.


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Posted: Jan 22, 2011 - 6:53pm

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i had no idea!  i thought it was a newish thing....hm....

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Posted: Jan 22, 2011 - 6:27pm

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they had meth labs in those days? 
 
first synthesized in 1919
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Posted: Jan 22, 2011 - 6:22pm

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one of the shows tonight was called HIGH HITLER! it was all about his drug use. he was a tweeker among other things.

 
they had meth labs in those days? 

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Posted: Jan 22, 2011 - 6:18pm

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Did ya learn he was short a nut?
 
one of the shows tonight was called HIGH HITLER! it was all about his drug use. he was a tweeker among other things.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2011 - 5:23pm

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Did ya learn he was short a nut?

 

I either heard, or read that somewhere.  Can't swear it was the History channel though. 
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Posted: Jan 22, 2011 - 5:21pm

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{#Lol} I was off for 6 months back in 2003 and learned way more than I ever thought I would about Hitler. 
 
Did ya learn he was short a nut?
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