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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 - 4:23pm

 jagdriver wrote:
I'm left wondering how Iran thinks it can selectively take out Israel with a nuke without also completely affecting the Palestinians and neighboring Arab states.

 
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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 - 4:17pm

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I'm left wondering how Iran thinks it can selectively take out Israel with a nuke without also completely affecting the Palestinians and neighboring Arab states.
 
... and risk being on the receiving end of at least some of the ~200-400 nukes (estimates vary) owned by Israel.
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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 - 3:56pm

I'm left wondering how Iran thinks it can selectively take out Israel with a nuke without also completely affecting the Palestinians and neighboring Arab states.
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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 - 8:08pm

Cenk: The media is ‘grossly deceiving people’ on Iran


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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 11:24pm

Netanyahu on Iran: 'None of us can afford to wait much longer'
Israel has waited for the international community to resolve the issue, Netanyahu said in his address, but diplomacy and sanctions have failed
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds copies of 1944 correspondence asking the US war department to bomb the Auschwitz concentration camp Photograph: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds copies of 1944 correspondence asking the US war department to bomb the Auschwitz concentration camp Photograph: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, invoked the spectre of Auschwitz as he chided those who question whether Iran is in pursuit of a nuclear weapon and warned that "none of us can afford to wait much longer" to act against Tehran.

There's your "loose talk"...

And a bit of history to conclude:
Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979.
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Posted: Mar 4, 2012 - 7:46pm

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Obama says he will not hesitate to use force against Iran
U.S. President Barack Obama said on Sunday he would not hesitate to strike Iran but warned against “loose talk” of a war with Iran ahead of a crucial meeting where he plans to press Israel’s prime minister to avoid a premature strike on the Islamic Republic’s nuclear facilities.

 
Yeah, it is interesting that Obama spoke of "loose talk"—  it seems to be an allusion to loose lips sink ships...
 
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Posted: Mar 4, 2012 - 6:01pm

Obama says he will not hesitate to use force against Iran
U.S. President Barack Obama said on Sunday he would not hesitate to strike Iran but warned against “loose talk” of a war with Iran ahead of a crucial meeting where he plans to press Israel’s prime minister to avoid a premature strike on the Islamic Republic’s nuclear facilities.
U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference in Washington. (Reuters)
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 2:39am

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Informed Comment/Juan Cole: Israel - Iran Military Comparison




 
I think all of this illustrates is the folly of trying to establish a Jewish state in the middle of a Muslim Arab homeland. If that is what it takes and it is, then instead of perpetual war perhaps we should start thinking outside the box and establishing a Jewish state in a logical place like somewhere in America or Canada. The whole Middle East paradigm is hopeless IMO.

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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 12:43am

Informed Comment/Juan Cole: Israel - Iran Military Comparison




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Posted: Feb 28, 2012 - 6:04pm

Netanyahu will urge Obama to publicly back attack on Iran, sources say
Intensive preparations underway to ensure a successful meeting between the two leaders next week in Washington, despite lack of trust between two sides.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2012 - 9:50am

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Let's try to get everyone all hysterical so they will be willing to start another war (sounds familiar? Remember Iraq?)

Allen West: 'Second Holocaust' On The Horizon If U.S. Doesn't Protect Israel Against Iran

 


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Posted: Feb 28, 2012 - 9:24am



AP source: Israel won't warn US before Iran strike

by Kimberly Dozier
Associated Press
November 28, 2012


WASHINGTON (AP) — Israeli officials say they won't warn the U.S. if they decide to launch a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, according to one U.S. intelligence official familiar with the discussions. The pronouncement, delivered in a series of private, top-level conversations, sets a tense tone ahead of meetings in the coming days at the White House and Capitol Hill.

Israeli officials said that if they eventually decide a strike is necessary, they would keep the Americans in the dark to decrease the likelihood that the U.S. would be held responsible for failing to stop Israel's potential attack. The U.S. has been working with the Israelis for months to convince them that an attack would be only a temporary setback to Iran's nuclear program...


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Posted: Feb 28, 2012 - 7:11am

Let's try to get everyone all hysterical so they will be willing to start another war (sounds familiar? Remember Iraq?)

Allen West: 'Second Holocaust' On The Horizon If U.S. Doesn't Protect Israel Against Iran


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Posted: Feb 27, 2012 - 7:05am

Iranian director of Oscar winning A Separation practically begs U.S. not to bomb his country.

Good movie BTW.

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Posted: Feb 26, 2012 - 2:26pm



Why Obama Won't Back a Strike on Iran

by Andrew Bast
The Daily Beast
February 26, 2012


But Obama cannot send any such unequivocal message to Iran. He will not be able to support—either overtly or covertly—Israeli military strikes. Assuming Netanyahu doesn't come around to Obama's position that military action is avoidable, the two will part ways with the strategic gap widening between them. "Over the past year, perhaps even over the last four years, the evidence has been growing that U.S. and Israeli interests are not identical," says Stephen Walt, a political scientist at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government. "And if you're in the Obama administration, you do not want a war right now."...

Anyone who tells you where the American public stands on striking Iran is blowing hot air. Polls this month from CNN and The Hill reached exactly opposite conclusions. Obama has built much of his foreign policy record on ending wars in the Middle East. To unleash a new one just months before a national election would, despite the hawkish harangues from his Republican opponents, stink all the way to the ballot boxes on the 6th of November.

The uncertainty that accompanies military action is all the more unpalatable to the Obama administration right now because, for the moment at least, things are beginning to look up for the White House. The economy, although still sputtering, is at least starting to make strides toward a sustainable recovery. Republicans are spending the vast majority of their time tarring and feathering each other. Accordingly, White House spokesman Jay Carney said explicitly last week, "There is time and space to attempt to resolve the Iran conflict peacefully."...

 



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Posted: Feb 21, 2012 - 1:24pm





Experts Say Iran Attack Is Irrational, Yet Hawks Are Winning the Debate

by Peter Beinart
Newsweek & The Daily Beast
February 21, 2012


As it happens, both the American and Israeli governments boast military and intelligence agencies charged with answering exactly these sorts of questions. And with striking consistency, the people who run, or ran, those agencies are warning—loudly—against an attack...

And who are the hawks who have so far marginalized the defense and intelligence establishments in both Israel and the U.S.? They're a collection of think-tankers and politicians, most absolutely sincere, in my experience. But from Rick Santorum to John McCain to Elliott Abrams to John Bolton, their defining characteristic is that they were equally apocalyptic about the threat from Iraq, and equally nonchalant about the difficulties of successfully attacking it. The story of the Iraq debate was, in large measure, the story of their triumph over the career military and intelligence officials—folks like Eric Shinseki and Joseph Wilson—whose successors are now warning against attacking Iran.

How can it be, less than a decade after the U.S. invaded Iraq, that the Iran debate is breaking down along largely the same lines, and the people who were manifestly, painfully wrong about that war are driving the debate this time as well? Culturally, it's a fascinating question—and too depressing for words.

 




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IRAN: Intelligence Ministry claims to arrest 30 alleged CIA spies



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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:46am

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CHARLIE BROOKER

Things seem awfully heated in America right now; so heated you could probably toast a marshmallow by jabbing it on a stick and holding it toward the Atlantic. Millions are hopping mad over the news that a bunch of triumphalist Muslim extremists are about to build a "victory mosque" slap bang in the middle of Ground Zero.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:39am

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Absolutely correct.

Interesting, that nobody here seems to be interested in this option. It's far more exciting to discuss the history and power of weapons.

So everyboy knows where this is developing to. Great.

 

Is there yet any concrete date for the liberation of Iran?

 
Most everyone here believes that our gov (US) is benign and well intentioned towards its citizens.  Try and bring up thoughts about 1984 and the like and watch for the attachment of birther, truther, and CTer or worse being attached to the poster's thoughts.  Look at all the crap that nugs has had to put up with.

Its the old frog in the pot thing.  Put the frog in a pot of cold water and slowly heat it up so it won't try and jump out before its too late.  There has been great patience by the cooks so far that no one has noticed the rising heat, at least until BHO.  In his bungling ineptitude to get too much done too soon, he turned up the heat so much that the frog just might escape in time.  Granted Bush 43 bumped it up a little bit higher with the Patriot Act, but not enough to scare the frog.

Funny how I remember disussing with some Holocaust survivors right after 9/11 how the Patriot Act was going to take away many of our civil and other liberties as US citizens and that it was bigtime overkill, yet they supported Bush and the Patriot Act saying that it was needed to make the country safer.  I was shocked and just gave up trying to go any further.  I was shocked to hear that from people who suffered what they did.  It seems that they learned nothing from their experiences during WW II, was my conclusion. 

Its hard to have conversations about this stuff with people face to face.  Too easy to get in real trouble, due to the inabillity to express complete thoughts conversationally as sentneces are often interrupted before the context can be laid out.  Its a shame and ironic that the only meaningful discussions are online, because of the ability to lay down a complete thought, uninterupted.  Yet look what happens here when someone tries to make an unpopular serious point. 

I guess its safer to have someone type at you funny than look at you funny.




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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:23am

 geordiezimmerman wrote:
CHARLIE BROOKER

Things seem awfully heated in America right now; so heated you could probably toast a marshmallow by jabbing it on a stick and holding it toward the Atlantic. Millions are hopping mad over the news that a bunch of triumphalist Muslim extremists are about to build a "victory mosque" slap bang in the middle of Ground Zero.

The planned "ultra-mosque" will be a staggering 5,600ft tall – more than five times higher than the tallest building on Earth – and will be capped with an immense dome of highly-polished solid gold, carefully positioned to bounce sunlight directly toward the pavement, where it will blind pedestrians and fry small dogs. The main structure will be delimited by 600 minarets, each shaped like an upraised middle finger, and housing a powerful amplifier: when synchronised, their combined sonic might will be capable of relaying the muezzin's call to prayer at such deafening volume, it will be clearly audible in the Afghan mountains, where thousands of terrorists are poised to celebrate by running around with scarves over their faces, firing AK-47s into the sky and yelling whatever the foreign word for "victory" is.

I'm exaggerating. But I'm only exaggerating a tad more than some of the professional exaggerators who initially raised objections to the "Ground Zero mosque". They keep calling it the "Ground Zero mosque", incidentally, because it's a catchy title that paints a powerful image – specifically, the image of a mosque at Ground Zero.

When I heard about it – in passing, in a soundbite – I figured it was a US example of the sort of inanely confrontational fantasy scheme Anjem Choudary might issue a press release about if he fancied winding up the tabloids for the 900th time this year. I was wrong. The "Ground Zero mosque" is a genuine proposal, but it's slightly less provocative than its critics' nickname makes it sound. For one thing, it's not at Ground Zero. Also, it isn't a mosque.

Wait, it gets duller. It's not being built by extremists either. Cordoba House, as it's known, is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations. It'll probably also have comfy chairs and people who smile at you when you walk in, the monsters.

To get to the Cordoba Centre from Ground Zero, you'd have to walk in the opposite direction for two blocks, before turning a corner and walking a bit more. The journey should take roughly two minutes, or possibly slightly longer if you're heading an angry mob who can't hear your directions over the sound of their own enraged bellowing.

Perhaps spatial reality functions differently on the other side of the Atlantic, but here in London, something that is "two minutes' walk and round a corner" from something else isn't actually "in" the same place at all. I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes' walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen's pillow. That's how "distance" works in Britain. It's also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn't, for daft political ends.

New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald's and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven't produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK.

That's literally all I'd ask them in an interview. I'd stand there pointing at a map of the city. Would it be offensive here? What about here? Or how about way over there? And when they finally picked a suitable spot, I'd ask them to draw it on the map, sketching out roughly how big it should be, and how many windows it's allowed to have. Then I'd hand them a colour swatch and ask them to decide on a colour for the lobby carpet. And the conversation would continue in this vein until everyone in the room was in tears. Myself included.

That hasn't happened. Instead, 70% of Americans are opposed to the "Ground Zero mosque", doubtless in many cases because they've been led to believe it literally is a mosque at Ground Zero. And if not . . . well, it must be something significant. Otherwise why would all these pundits be so angry about it? And why would anyone in the media listen to them with a straight face?

According to a recent poll, one in five Americans believes Barack Obama is a Muslim, even though he isn't. A quarter of those who believe he's a Muslim also claimed he talks about his faith too much. Americans aren't dumb. Clearly these particular Americans have either gone insane or been seriously misled. Where are they getting their information?

Sixty per cent said they learned it from the media. Which means it's time for the media to give up.

Seriously, broadcasters, journalists: just give up now. Because either you're making things worse, or no one's paying attention anyway. May as well knock back a few Jagermeisters, unplug the autocue, and just sit there dumbly repeating whichever reality-warping meme the far right wants to go viral this week. What's that? Obama is Gargamel and he's killing all the Smurfs? Sod it. Whatever. Roll titles.



 
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