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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:01am

CHARLIE BROOKER

Things seem awfully heated in America right now; so heated you could probably toast a marshmallow by jabbing it on a stick and holding it toward the Atlantic. Millions are hopping mad over the news that a bunch of triumphalist Muslim extremists are about to build a "victory mosque" slap bang in the middle of Ground Zero.

The planned "ultra-mosque" will be a staggering 5,600ft tall – more than five times higher than the tallest building on Earth – and will be capped with an immense dome of highly-polished solid gold, carefully positioned to bounce sunlight directly toward the pavement, where it will blind pedestrians and fry small dogs. The main structure will be delimited by 600 minarets, each shaped like an upraised middle finger, and housing a powerful amplifier: when synchronised, their combined sonic might will be capable of relaying the muezzin's call to prayer at such deafening volume, it will be clearly audible in the Afghan mountains, where thousands of terrorists are poised to celebrate by running around with scarves over their faces, firing AK-47s into the sky and yelling whatever the foreign word for "victory" is.

I'm exaggerating. But I'm only exaggerating a tad more than some of the professional exaggerators who initially raised objections to the "Ground Zero mosque". They keep calling it the "Ground Zero mosque", incidentally, because it's a catchy title that paints a powerful image – specifically, the image of a mosque at Ground Zero.

When I heard about it – in passing, in a soundbite – I figured it was a US example of the sort of inanely confrontational fantasy scheme Anjem Choudary might issue a press release about if he fancied winding up the tabloids for the 900th time this year. I was wrong. The "Ground Zero mosque" is a genuine proposal, but it's slightly less provocative than its critics' nickname makes it sound. For one thing, it's not at Ground Zero. Also, it isn't a mosque.

Wait, it gets duller. It's not being built by extremists either. Cordoba House, as it's known, is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations. It'll probably also have comfy chairs and people who smile at you when you walk in, the monsters.

To get to the Cordoba Centre from Ground Zero, you'd have to walk in the opposite direction for two blocks, before turning a corner and walking a bit more. The journey should take roughly two minutes, or possibly slightly longer if you're heading an angry mob who can't hear your directions over the sound of their own enraged bellowing.

Perhaps spatial reality functions differently on the other side of the Atlantic, but here in London, something that is "two minutes' walk and round a corner" from something else isn't actually "in" the same place at all. I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes' walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen's pillow. That's how "distance" works in Britain. It's also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn't, for daft political ends.

New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald's and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven't produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK.

That's literally all I'd ask them in an interview. I'd stand there pointing at a map of the city. Would it be offensive here? What about here? Or how about way over there? And when they finally picked a suitable spot, I'd ask them to draw it on the map, sketching out roughly how big it should be, and how many windows it's allowed to have. Then I'd hand them a colour swatch and ask them to decide on a colour for the lobby carpet. And the conversation would continue in this vein until everyone in the room was in tears. Myself included.

That hasn't happened. Instead, 70% of Americans are opposed to the "Ground Zero mosque", doubtless in many cases because they've been led to believe it literally is a mosque at Ground Zero. And if not . . . well, it must be something significant. Otherwise why would all these pundits be so angry about it? And why would anyone in the media listen to them with a straight face?

According to a recent poll, one in five Americans believes Barack Obama is a Muslim, even though he isn't. A quarter of those who believe he's a Muslim also claimed he talks about his faith too much. Americans aren't dumb. Clearly these particular Americans have either gone insane or been seriously misled. Where are they getting their information?

Sixty per cent said they learned it from the media. Which means it's time for the media to give up.

Seriously, broadcasters, journalists: just give up now. Because either you're making things worse, or no one's paying attention anyway. May as well knock back a few Jagermeisters, unplug the autocue, and just sit there dumbly repeating whichever reality-warping meme the far right wants to go viral this week. What's that? Obama is Gargamel and he's killing all the Smurfs? Sod it. Whatever. Roll titles.


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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 3:55am

 hippiechick wrote:

Full of shit, anti-Semite
 
Bit strong. At least prove him wrong if you think he is rather than just name call. To me that shows you are losing the argument.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 3:20am

 prickelpit96 wrote:

Absolutely correct.

Interesting, that nobody here seems to be interested in this option. It's far more exciting to discuss the history and power of weapons.

So everyboy knows where this is developing to. Great.

 

Is there yet any concrete date for the liberation of Iran?

 

 


 
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Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 1:35am

 beamends wrote:

Indeed, as is the case anyway. Being friendly, acknowledging and respecting cultural and religious difference, and asking nicely to buy some oil instead of demanding it, would be a promising start. I'm amazed that anyone is surprised that the victim of bullying will try to arm themselves. The Iranian/Israeli thing is just a cover to justify actions on the home front, much like 'the war on terror' is used in the west to allow increased control of citizens - Orwell's 1984 is up and running. 
 

Absolutely correct.

Interesting, that nobody here seems to be interested in this option. It's far more exciting to discuss the history and power of weapons.

So everyboy knows where this is developing to. Great.

 

Is there yet any concrete date for the liberation of Iran?

 

 



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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 5:21pm

 hobiejoe wrote:

Would you mind if I replied tomorrow, 'tis rather late here now....
 
I'm not holding you to any obligation. I'm just curious why you've chosen to take this line of questioning. Take you time.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 5:14pm

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Its a formidable weapon.  Its unlikely that the Russians would be the first to use it as they have little reason to with much more and better stuff in their arsenal.  The Iranians on the other hand, would be much more likely to fire it in anger and the Straits of Hormuz is just the place for this type of weapon.  It would effectively close the Straits, shutting off access to the oil fields.  

Iran would just have to use it successfully once on a US warship and the US military would probably respond by turning that area of Iran into glass or at least break out the Neutron Bomb.  Conventional weapons would not be very effective in eradicating these missiles.   And the lid would come off, or would it ?

The oil reservoir under the Deep Water Horizon well supposedly has enough oil to serve all of the US's needs for at least 8 months.  It was alledgedly a key part of the US military strategy in the event of a war with Iran that would shut down access to the gulf region's oil fields.

I would be more concerned about Iran's control of the Straits of Hormuz vs.a threat to Israel or anyone else for that matter.

 
I'm not sure why we're talking about whether the Russians would use it. I only mentioned the Soviets because they invented it - back before they had "more and better stuff in their arsenal".

I'm not denying that it's an effective weapon. I'm doubting that a 25-year-old missile system represents an unstoppable threat to US carrier groups. And I don't know why conventional weapons would find the Sunburn any harder to take out than they would any other target. A carrier group could sit well outside the range of Iranian missiles and take them out with air strikes.

It seems like a stretch to suggest the Navy's response to losing one ship would be "turning that area of Iran into glass".  Nobody got glassed for the attack on the Stark in that same stretch of water. The Navy is used to the idea of getting shot at and possibly losing ships: they don't tend to go berserk when it happens. And any nuclear attack would have to be authorized by the President. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that President Obama seems a bit too level-headed to incinerate millions of people over an attack on one ship.

Yes, Iran could close off the Straits of Hormuz and cause a lot of problems. My guess is the US Navy is well aware of this and has plans to address the situation should they be tasked to do so.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 5:13pm

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I might have said more than many on a lot of subjects in these forums. Have you picked up any inconsistencies as far as my politics and/or spiritual understandings go ? Six years is a heck of a long time to be spinning a yarn in front of a relatively canny group of people without tripping yourself up pretty seriously.

I have always stood my round & there have been many of those over many a year. I've been sober for just on 3 years now but I still pop around for good reason on occasions. I just don't do my regular pint anymore.
 
Would you mind if I replied tomorrow, 'tis rather late here now....

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 5:02pm

 hobiejoe wrote:

Yes and yes.
 
But will you stand your round? At the bar, in an actual pub?
 
I might have said more than many on a lot of subjects in these forums. Have you picked up any inconsistencies over the years as far as my politics and/or spiritual understandings go ? Six years is a heck of a long time to be spinning a yarn in front of a relatively canny group of people without tripping yourself up pretty seriously.

I have always stood my round & there have been many of those over many a year. I've been sober for just on 3 years now but I still pop around for good reason on occasions. I just don't do my regular pint anymore.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 4:45pm

 nuggler wrote:

What's your gut feel ?

You think I might be having everyone on ?
 
Yes and yes.
 
But will you stand your round? At the bar, in an actual pub?

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 4:42pm

 hobiejoe wrote:

You're having fun here, and have done for years.
 
I wonder who you are, what you are like and whether I'd have a beer with you.
 

 
What's your gut feel ?

You think I might be having everyone on ?

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 4:22pm

 nuggler wrote:

Loads of stuff, and went home with a good catch.

 
You're having fun here, and have done for years.
 
I wonder who you are, what you are like and whether I'd have a beer with you.
 


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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 3:50pm

 winter wrote:

The Soviets first deployed the Sunburn in 1984 - that's over a quarter-century ago, and even that was after years of development. Hard to believe the USN hasn't figured out what to do about it in all that time.

 
Its a formidable weapon.  Its unlikely that the Russians would be the first to use it as they have little reason to with much more and better stuff in their arsenal.  The Iranians on the other hand, would be much more likely to fire it in anger and the Straits of Hormuz is just the place for this type of weapon.  It would effectively close the Straits, shutting off access to the oil fields.  

Iran would just have to use it successfully once on a US warship and the US military would probably respond by turning that area of Iran into glass or at least break out the Neutron Bomb.  Conventional weapons would not be very effective in eradicating these missiles.   And the lid would come off, or would it ?

The oil reservoir under the Deep Water Horizon well supposedly has enough oil to serve all of the US's needs for at least 8 months.  It was alledgedly a key part of the US military strategy in the event of a war with Iran that would shut down access to the gulf region's oil fields.

I would be more concerned about Iran's control of the Straits of Hormuz vs.a threat to Israel or anyone else for that matter.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:54am

 kurtster wrote:

Just pointing out yet another step taken by the Iranians.  With a missile such as the Sunburn, it effectively makes the Straits of Hormuz a death trap.  Any ship passing through the Straits is vulnerable to the Sunburn.  Warships would have to operate outside of the gulf in the Indian Ocean outside of the range of the missiles.  The missile would trap any military vessels in the gulf.  They would have to run a deadly gauntlet to try and escape.

A major shift in strategy in the region is required with the deployment of a missile such as the Sunburn.

 
The Soviets first deployed the Sunburn in 1984 - that's over a quarter-century ago, and even that was after years of development. Hard to believe the USN hasn't figured out what to do about it in all that time.


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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:33am

 kurtster wrote:

Just pointing out yet another step taken by the Iranians.  With a missile such as the Sunburn, it effectively makes the Straits of Hormuz a death trap.  Any ship passing through the Straits is vulnerable to the Sunburn.  Warships would have to operate outside of the gulf in the Indian Ocean outside of the range of the missiles.  The missile would trap any military vessels in the gulf.  They would have to run a deadly gauntlet to try and escape.

A major shift in strategy in the region is required with the deployment of a missile such as the Sunburn.

 
Indeed, as is the case anyway. Being friendly, acknowledging and respecting cultural and religious difference, and asking nicely to buy some oil instead of demanding it, would be a promising start. I'm amazed that anyone is surprised that the victim of bullying will try to arm themselves. The Iranian/Israeli thing is just a cover to justify actions on the home front, much like 'the war on terror' is used in the west to allow increased control of citizens - Orwell's 1984 is up and running. 

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:22am

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Sometimes it's a good thing to know when to shut our mouths, when we are completely trashing an entire history and culture.

For some reason you have completely singled out the Jewish religion as the destroyers of the world. It's ridiculous! Look at Christian history, Muslim history, English history. Give it a break already!
 
I did that ? I thought I was doing precisely the opposite.

I'm not talking Zionism here. If you substitute Zionism in what you have just accused me of then yes, you'd be hitting the truth nail right on the head.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:22am

 winter wrote:

I must be missing something here. The Iranians are testing medium-range ballistic missiles. The Sunburn is an anti-ship weapon with far shorter range, presumably a much smaller payload, and a completely different attack profile (ballistic missiles don't "hug the deck"). So I'm not seeing the connection you see there.

Also it seems a little overboard to suggest mothballing our carrier fleet because there's something out there that can sink them. There have always been weapons that could sink them: missiles, bombs, torpedoes, mines, etc. I'm not downplaying the capabilities of the Sunburn, but no one has ever pretended that even an entire US carrier group is invulnerable. Tough, certainly, but not invulnerable.

 
Just pointing out yet another step taken by the Iranians.  With a missile such as the Sunburn, it effectively makes the Straits of Hormuz a death trap.  Any ship passing through the Straits is vulnerable to the Sunburn.  Warships would have to operate outside of the gulf in the Indian Ocean outside of the range of the missiles.  The missile would trap any military vessels in the gulf.  They would have to run a deadly gauntlet to try and escape.

A major shift in strategy in the region is required with the deployment of a missile such as the Sunburn.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:16am

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It is lightyears beyond any opinion I have to give.

Some times it is a good thing to know when to shut our mouths & open our minds.
 
Sometimes it's a good thing to know when to shut our mouths, when we are completely trashing an entire history and culture.

For some reason you have completely singled out the Jewish religion as the destroyers of the world. It's ridiculous! Look at Christian history, Muslim history, English history. Give it a break already!

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:14am

 hippiechick wrote:

that's your opinion
 
It is lightyears beyond any opinion I have to give.

Some times it is a good thing to know when to shut our mouths & open our minds.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:10am

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I wouldn't expect you to "get it". Very few do. But it is as it is & nothing you say or do can change that.
 
that's your opinion

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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 - 10:05am

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Full of shit, anti-Semite
 

I wouldn't expect you to "get it". Very few do. But it is as it is & nothing you say changes that.

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