The Story of Steve Jobs: An Inspiration or a Cautionary Tale?

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 1:19pm

mzpro5 wrote:

hippiechick wrote:

You mean, he was alive?

i have been thinking for several days and I am going to take this opportunity to let you know I intend to make this the last response to any post you make. Nomatter how mundane a subject more often tha not with me , and others, it is very likely to turn into a vortex of negativism.With you being the common factor whether it is me, bokey, sirdroseph or others.

I only ask one thing, please do the same regarding me, ignore my posts and don't respond. I realize there is nothing that can make you stop responding to me or anyone else here but I have asked.

Ha ha! I took the fun out of your game, did I. Actually that is not the common thread, the common thread is that you 3 like to take stabs at everything I say, to see if you can get me going. I am well aware of how this works.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 12:06pm

Â hippiechick wrote:

You mean, he was alive?

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i have been thinking for several days and I am going to take this opportunity to let you know I intend to make this the last response to any post you make. Nomatter how mundane a subject more often tha not with me , and others, it is very likely to turn into a vortex of negativism.With you being the common factor whether it is me, bokey, sirdroseph or others.

I only ask one thing, please do the same regarding me, ignore my posts and don't respond. I realize there is nothing that can make you stop responding to me or anyone else here but I have asked.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 11:58am

hippiechick wrote:

That doesn't devaluate their contributions to society. We are fortunate enough to have a Bill Gates who is both a genius and a humanitarian.

But he also gave us Windows, and that tips the balance back in the other direction.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 11:58am

hippiechick wrote:

You mean, he was alive?

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 11:54am

mzpro5 wrote:

Why not, Cheney came back. :)

You mean, he was alive?

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 11:52am

BlueHeronDruid wrote:

Need coffee. Saw this thread up on the RAFT and immediately thought: OMG! Steve Jobs died again?

Why not, Cheney came back. :)

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 11:10am

Need coffee. Saw this thread up on the RAFT and immediately thought: OMG! Steve Jobs died again?

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 11:01am

2cats wrote:

That's what is wrong with this country. Plenty of people have been successful without being tyrants.

I can agree with that and no doubt there are but in the end I bet there are more succesful people that have had at least some "tyrannical traits" than those that have none.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 10:46am

mzpro5 wrote:

And how many globally succesful businesses do you run/own? Now before you jump down my throat that comment is made with a healthy dose of facetiousness for which I apologize. But it is the argument many would make. Some would say to beat the big boys you gotta play by their rules and kick it up a notch. There is a reason I only make 40K a year and work for someone else.

That's what is wrong with this country. Plenty of people have been successful without being tyrants.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 10:37am

2cats wrote:

I am 100% R.

And how many globally succesful businesses do you run/own?

Now before you jump down my throat that comment is made with a healthy dose of facetiousness for which I apologize. But it is the argument many would make.

Some would say to beat the big boys you gotta play by their rules and kick it up a notch.

There is a reason I only make 40K a year and work for someone else.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 10:29am

No one would ever accuse Jobs of being a humanitarian. Hell, he ate at his own real father's restaurant regularly and never told him that he was his father. He was a very flawed man. So was Edison. So was Einstein.

That doesn't devaluate their contributions to society. We are fortunate enough to have a Bill Gates who is both a genius and a humanitarian.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 9:26am

jagdriver wrote:

The Story of Steve Jobs: An Inspiration or a Cautionary Tale?

"After all, we turn to the lives of successful people for inspiration and instruction. But the lesson here might make us uncomfortable: Violate any norm of social or business interaction that stands between you and what you want."

Are You an Acolyte or a Rejector?

Steve Jobs had a brash personality that lends itself to very different interpretations, depending on who you are. Based on these anecdotes from Walter Isaacson’s biography, which camp do you fall into? —B.A.

1

In 1975, Atari paid Jobs and Steve Wozniak to create the iconic game Breakout. Woz pulled four all-nighters to get it done—but Jobs pocketed the whole bonus that Atari paid for the game’s efficient design.

A) You can push colleagues to extraordinary lengths.

R) Don’t screw over your friends.

2

In 1981, Jobs refused to give founding stock to Apple employee number 12, Dan Kottke. A fellow employee intervened, offering to match whatever options Jobs was willing to spare for Kottke. “OK,” Jobs replied, “I will give him zero.”

A) Good leadership is unsentimental.

R) To foster loyalty in employees, you need to be loyal to them.

3

In 1994, Jobs announced he was firing a quarter of the Lisa computer team, telling them, “You guys failed … Too many people here are B or C players.”

A) Tolerate only A players.

R) Scared employees don’t take risks.

4

In 2005, Jobs ordered a smoothie at Whole Foods, but when the aging barista didn’t make it to his taste, he railed about her incompetence.

A) Force the whole world to bend to your vision.

R) Understand the limits of your power.

I am 100% R.

Posted: Jul 29, 2012 - 9:20am

The Story of Steve Jobs: An Inspiration or a Cautionary Tale?

"After all, we turn to the lives of successful people for inspiration and instruction. But the lesson here might make us uncomfortable: Violate any norm of social or business interaction that stands between you and what you want."

Are You an Acolyte or a Rejector?

Steve Jobs had a brash personality that lends itself to very different interpretations, depending on who you are. Based on these anecdotes from Walter Isaacson’s biography, which camp do you fall into? —B.A.

1

In 1975, Atari paid Jobs and Steve Wozniak to create the iconic game Breakout. Woz pulled four all-nighters to get it done—but Jobs pocketed the whole bonus that Atari paid for the game’s efficient design.

A) You can push colleagues to extraordinary lengths.

R) Don’t screw over your friends.

2

In 1981, Jobs refused to give founding stock to Apple employee number 12, Dan Kottke. A fellow employee intervened, offering to match whatever options Jobs was willing to spare for Kottke. “OK,” Jobs replied, “I will give him zero.”

A) Good leadership is unsentimental.

R) To foster loyalty in employees, you need to be loyal to them.

3

In 1994, Jobs announced he was firing a quarter of the Lisa computer team, telling them, “You guys failed … Too many people here are B or C players.”

A) Tolerate only A players.

R) Scared employees don’t take risks.

4

In 2005, Jobs ordered a smoothie at Whole Foods, but when the aging barista didn’t make it to his taste, he railed about her incompetence.

A) Force the whole world to bend to your vision.

R) Understand the limits of your power.