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Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 11:08am

islander wrote:

You're plenty smart to hold your own in a debate, you just need a more defensible position. We really are in agreement on the basics, I just wasn't willing to let your original statement go unchallenged (good thing I've never spouted anything half thought out after a bad morning - ivory tower and all...)

One day you will perhaps achieve my perfection and all knowing ways. {#Meditate}

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 11:06am

bokey wrote:

Final comment,because I know that you're way smarter than me and the only way I could win an argument with you would be by being so snarky about things that you'd get disgusted and give up,and I don't consider that a win nor am I seeking one.

Like I said,I'm having a crappy day and could have stated my opinions differently.

I'll sum it up-
1-I am 100% behind legal immigration and feel that anyone from any country has a right to become an American citizen
2-I am 100% against illegal immigration and crime in general,especially when it affects me.

You're plenty smart to hold your own in a debate, you just need a more defensible position. We really are in agreement on the basics, I just wasn't willing to let your original statement go unchallenged (good thing I've never spouted anything half thought out after a bad morning

- ivory tower and all...)

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:54am

islander wrote:

Fair enough. I agree there is a problem. We're a pretty great country with a lot of resources, I think we can come up with a better solution than we have now, and keep it well short of stooping to the lower standard of the countries these people are fleeing for a better life. I don't think we want to keep people away by making things worse here than the desperate situations they are fleeing.

Final comment,because I know that you're way smarter than me and the only way I could win an argument with you would be by being so snarky about things that you'd get disgusted and give up,and I don't consider that a win nor am I seeking one.

Like I said,I'm having a crappy day and could have stated my opinions differently.

I'll sum it up-
1-I am 100% behind legal immigration and feel that anyone from any country has a right to become an American citizen
2-I am 100% against illegal immigration and crime in general,especially when it affects me.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:46am

bokey wrote:

Again- I did not mean to imply they should be shot on site.Lock them up first and give them time to explain themselves.If you can't produce a legal ID in a week,it's pretty clear you don't have one.

Look,I woke up in a crappy mood,picked up todays(Or I asume last nights) beer cans from out front,went to get my Pops lunch,stepped around a crappy diaper in a parking lot in what used to be Mayberry,then watched some guy hold one of his nostrils shut while expelling mucous on a public sidewalk.

So I'm not at my best right now and would like to drop it.

Sorry if I offended you,but this is a problem that needs to be resolved.

There are established legal and social means to join a society/country.

Fair enough. I agree there is a problem. We're a pretty great country with a lot of resources, I think we can come up with a better solution than we have now, and keep it well short of stooping to the lower standard of the countries these people are fleeing for a better life. I don't think we want to keep people away by making things worse here than the desperate situations they are fleeing.

Edit: And hope your day picks up.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:43am

bokey wrote:

I didn't mean on site.I meant after being given a week or so to come up with documentation.
I don't live a privileged life like you.I see things differently.
edit-And I don't think you're a bad guy,just a little naive.

Okay, I'm privileged. So are you - you won the dartboard lottery by falling out of your mother's loins on this side of the border.

I've spent a lot of time out of this country in some places with substantially different standards than we have. I've come to understand how a lot of those people see the world. My views aren't just from an ivory tower (although my travels through South America have always had a passport safety net and a network of embassies to fall back on).

I think we need stronger border rules and a better policy on immigration. Although somewhat problematic, I don't think the people busting their asses working in standards below ours to support their families are 'draining our economy' - and certainly not even close to the lowest hanging fruit on the tree (but maybe the easiest target for people who are insecure).

I still say your slightly revised statement of wanting to kill people for crossing a property boundary is lame, narrow minded, and un-American.

I think you're an okay guy too, but this line of thought is below you.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:43am

islander wrote:

responding to the edit:

We have a fair immigrant population here as well. We also have our share of issues and problems associated with lower income areas. Like where you are I'm sure there is a fair amount of overlap in these two populations and some level of correlation.

I'm still not willing to give up the systems that make this country great and resort to demanding papers and shooting people on site without due process for crossing a property line without permission.

I like you, but this line of thought you tossed out is ugly, and frankly un-American.

Again- I did not mean to imply they should be shot on site.Lock them up first and give them time to explain themselves.If you can't produce a legal ID in a week,it's pretty clear you don't have one.

Look,I woke up in a crappy mood,picked up todays(Or I asume last nights) beer cans from out front,went to get my Pops lunch,stepped around a crappy diaper in a parking lot in what used to be Mayberry,then watched some guy hold one of his nostrils shut while expelling mucous on a public sidewalk.

So I'm not at my best right now and would like to drop it.

Sorry if I offended you,but this is a problem that needs to be resolved.

There are established legal and social means to join a society/country.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:34am

bokey wrote:

If you think illegally entering a country is a civil violation,I'm not voting for you.
edit- And if you think working illegally under the table,taking American jobs and sending the $$ to South America isn't a drain on our economy,I want to live where you do.

I guess after witnessing enough public urination,sex,people throwing dirty diapers in parking lots,spitting on sidewalks,throwing Modela cans in my yard,etc. you'd sing a different tune.
Get much of that in the PNW do ya?

OK-out of sight,out of mind.
It clearly isn't a problem

Kumbaya.

responding to the edit:

We have a fair immigrant population here as well. We also have our share of issues and problems associated with lower income areas. Like where you are I'm sure there is a fair amount of overlap in these two populations and some level of correlation.

I'm still not willing to give up the systems that make this country great and resort to demanding papers and shooting people on site without due process for crossing a property line without permission.

I like you, but this line of thought you tossed out is ugly, and frankly un-American.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:32am

islander wrote:

Sorry I mis-spoke, I meant common law. I still think that your idea of executing people on site without due process over basic violations and a demand for papers is reprehensible, bigoted, narrow minded, and below the standards of our country and you as an individual.

I didn't mean on site.I meant after being given a week or so to come up with documentation.
I don't live a privileged life like you.I see things differently.
edit-And I don't think you're a bad guy,just a little naive.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:29am

bokey wrote:

If you think illegally entering a country is a civil violation,I'm not voting for you.

Sorry I mis-spoke, I meant common law. I still think that your idea of executing people on site without due process over basic violations and a demand for papers is reprehensible, bigoted, narrow minded, and below the standards of our country and you as an individual.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:23am

islander wrote:

So we're now a papers on demand country? No trials or due process? How will we select the people we 'card'?

And how exactly will this put "millions/billions" of dollars back into the economy? Does killing people for civil violations create value somehow?

That's a pretty reprehensible train of thought you are on there.

If you think illegally entering a country is a civil violation,I'm not voting for you.
edit- And if you think working illegally under the table,taking American jobs and sending the $$ to South America isn't a drain on our economy,I want to live where you do.

I guess after witnessing enough public urination,sex,people throwing dirty diapers in parking lots,spitting on sidewalks,throwing Modela cans in my yard,etc. you'd sing a different tune.
Get much of that in the PNW do ya?

OK-out of sight,out of mind.
It clearly isn't a problem

Kumbaya.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:16am

islander wrote:

So we're now a papers on demand country? No trials or due process? How will we select the people we 'card'?

And how exactly will this put "millions/billions" of dollars back into the economy? Does killing people for civil violations create value somehow?

That's a pretty reprehensible train of thought you are on there.

hey let's make up some silly rules and imaginary lines like d h s

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:07am

bokey wrote:

No green card? No valid US citizens ID? You're a criminal.

No trial.No INS deportation hearing.Just plain ol'

And watch the repetitious problem cease to continue once the message is clear.
How many millions/billions of $$$ will that put back into the American economy?

So we're now a papers on demand country? No trials or due process? How will we select the people we 'card'?

And how exactly will this put "millions/billions" of dollars back into the economy? Does killing people for civil violations create value somehow?

That's a pretty reprehensible train of thought you are on there.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 9:52am

No green card? No valid US citizens ID? You're a criminal.

No trial.No INS deportation hearing.Just plain ol'

And watch the repetitious problem cease to continue once the message is clear.
How many millions/billions of $$$ will that put back into the American economy?

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 6:49am

Sessions On ICE Lawsuit Against Admin: Agents’ Jobs Under Threat For Upholding Law, Protecting Public

Thursday, August 23, 2012

“Those serving on the front lines are being forced to release offenders who pose a clear threat to public safety…Understandably, we are told agent morale has never been worse… The men and women who swore an oath to uphold the law and protect the public safety are now forced to ignore the law if they are to remain secure in their jobs.”

WASHINGTON—U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, issued the following statement regarding a lawsuit filed today by frontlines officers for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, including Chris Crane, President of the ICE officers’ union. The lawsuit against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton charges that the Obama Administration’s new deferred action and prosecutorial discretion directive “commands ICE officers to violate their oaths to uphold and support federal law”:

“It is a sad day when our nation’s law enforcement officers are left with no recourse but to file suit against the Administration and its political appointees. America was poised to make great progress on immigration enforcement—after Congress was forced into action by the American public—but the President’s unilateral pursuit of far-reaching amnesty has not only undermined this progress but reversed it. The men and women who swore an oath to uphold the law and protect the public safety are now forced to ignore the law if they are to remain secure in their jobs. We already know of one officer who faces suspension for arresting a 35-year old illegal alien with multiple misdemeanor violations and apparent ties to a fugitive. Understandably, we are told agent morale has never been worse.

While the Administration informs the public that its policies are narrow in scope and limited in application, the truth is that effective enforcement has been made nearly impossible. Those serving on the front lines are being forced to release offenders who pose a clear threat to public safety. They see the violence, the chaos, and the lawlessness on a daily basis.

All Americans, immigrant and native born, will have a better future if America remains unique among nations for the special reverence it places in the rule of law. We do no service to this nation and those seeking a better future by eroding the values that have made us great. It is time to end the lawlessness, not surrender to it. Only then can we move forward together to tackle and solve these complex problems in a united and principled fashion.”

NOTE: Nearly three weeks ago, Sessions sent a letter to ICE Director Morton demanding to know why an ICE agent faces suspension for seeking judicial proceedings for an illegal alien who was apprehended in connection with a fugitive investigation, and later found to have at least 10 prior traffic convictions, including driving without a license. His superiors released the apprehended alien over the officer’s public safety concerns. To date, Morton has failed to respond or provide any information about this controversial case. To view Sessions’ letter, please click here.

Posted: Aug 31, 2012 - 6:42am

DHS Sec. Napolitano being sued over an executive fiat ...

“The Obama administration makes it impossible for ICE agents to do their jobs,” said House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) in a statement issued along with fellow Texas Republicans Reps. John Carter and Louie Gohmert.

“Instead of enforcing the law, the Obama administration requires ICE agents to release illegal immigrants,” Smith said.

Congressional Democrats have ferociously defended the administration’s move, calling it a key step towards fixing a broken immigration system that penalizes many young people who were brought into the United States illegally by their parents.

The announcement by Napolitano was made in June and bypasses Congress in the face of stalled efforts to pass a bill with similar provisions. For several years, Republicans have blocked the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act, saying that it provides “amnesty” to illegal immigrants and could threaten to take away the jobs of U.S. citizens.

Posted: May 8, 2012 - 10:01am

islander wrote:

!?

The total government budget is ~ 2.5 Trillion, so you are saying that 20% of the budget is waste, fraud and redundancy? I'd be curious to see how you allocate that 20% into those three categories and to see what you consider waste and redundancy. We are all against fraud, but on some basic level the only way to prevent it is more bureaucracy and regulation. How much do you want to spend to chase down that last .05% in fraud?

On waste and redundancy, there is room for tuning, but probably not a lot. And much of what you consider waste others consider essential (and vice versa), so now we are back to policy.

The standard I'm using is the Coburn report. Until something better comes along, this will have to do, for me. The report does not deal with the seperate issue of fraud. Perhaps my $500 Billion figure is overstated, by maybe $100 Billion. And how about the GSA debacle which amounts to little more than a government slush fund, of which there are many.

from the above linked report
...

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued a report identifying over $200 billion in unnecessary, duplicative programs. But these suggestions and others were ignored by both chambers of Congress and the President.

Posted: May 8, 2012 - 9:31am

kurtster wrote:

Simply put, things like this are the best reason for no new taxes. Fix these things, eliminate waste and redundancy ala the annual Coburn report to Congress. Then we can talk about new taxes.

An estimate for the annual cost of waste, fraud and redundancy is some $500 billion.

Until then, no new taxes. Period.

!?

The total government budget is ~ 2.5 Trillion, so you are saying that 20% of the budget is waste, fraud and redundancy? I'd be curious to see how you allocate that 20% into those three categories and to see what you consider waste and redundancy. We are all against fraud, but on some basic level the only way to prevent it is more bureaucracy and regulation. How much do you want to spend to chase down that last .05% in fraud?

On waste and redundancy, there is room for tuning, but probably not a lot. And much of what you consider waste others consider essential (and vice versa), so now we are back to policy.

Posted: May 8, 2012 - 9:16am

DaveInVA wrote:

Tax loophole costing billions

Simply put, things like this are the best reason for no new taxes. Fix these things, eliminate waste and redundancy ala the annual Coburn report to Congress. Then we can talk about new taxes.

An estimate for the annual cost of waste, fraud and redundancy is some $500 billion.

Until then, no new taxes. Period.

Bribery At Border Worries Officials

Sessions On ICE Lawsuit Against Admin: Agents’ Jobs Under Threat For Upholding Law, Protecting PublicThursday, August 23, 2012

Sessions On ICE Lawsuit Against Admin: Agents’ Jobs Under Threat For Upholding Law, Protecting Public

Thursday, August 23, 2012