‘Unprecedented’ Greenland Surface Melt – Every 150 Years?

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:21pm

Lazy8 wrote:

hippiechick wrote:

ALL research is funded by the government or universities, which is usually still the government. Mizzou's Ag School just recently named a hall after Monsanto.

...because Monsanto is the government?

Well, yeah. They completely control the FDA.

Clarify: The government helps funds companies like Monsanto to involve universities in research of their products. Most of the money that comes into universities is from their research departments.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:18pm

hippiechick wrote:

ALL research is funded by the government or universities, which is usually still the government. Mizzou's Ag School just recently named a hall after Monsanto.

...because Monsanto is the government?

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:16pm

kurtster wrote:

I must agree with miami.

I would be suspicious of research coming from any enterprise that has a direct relationship with the government. Monsanto, General Electric, General Motors, Lockheed, etc. I am to the point that I flat out refuse to accept just about any research originating from and within our government, including and especially the ACE, the FDA, LRB, GSA, OSHA, NIH and many others who primary purpose is to justify a bureaucracy. My respect and trust is falling for NOAA, NASA, and the CDC.

Feel free to disregard the previous as hyperbole and consider this instead. I just don't trust our government anymore and just about any comapny that has an equity or commodity listing on an exchange agency. I don't respect research that says to turn about face ASAP or we are doomed to ... something or recommends the establishment of a finacial device to fix something as in the establishment of a carbon credit system exchange. I immediately smell a rat.

ALL research is funded by the government or universities, which is usually still the government. Mizzou's Ag School just recently named a hall after Monsanto.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:14pm

steeler wrote:

Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit. It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?

I must agree with miami.

I would be suspicious of research coming from any enterprise that has a direct relationship with the government. Monsanto, General Electric, General Motors, Lockheed, etc. I am to the point that I flat out refuse to accept just about any research originating from and within our government, including and especially the ACE, the FDA, LRB, GSA, OSHA, NIH and many others who primary purpose is to justify a bureaucracy. My respect and trust is falling for NOAA, NASA, and the CDC.

Feel free to disregard the previous as hyperbole and consider this instead. I just don't trust our government anymore and just about any comapny that has an equity or commodity listing on an exchange agency. I don't respect research that says to turn about face ASAP or we are doomed to ... something or recommends the establishment of a finacial device to fix something as in the establishment of a carbon credit system exchange. I immediately smell a rat.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:14pm

buzz wrote:

uh...yeah...thats pretty much it...i guess

This was about a week ago. I'm not backscrolling to get it all straight.

You said something about science finding solutions to all our problems and making life good. something kinda like that sorta maybe more or less. Monsanto was the first thing that came to mind when I read that. I said it out loud. Don't over think it. It's me.

Jonas Salk saw a problem. He found the money and he solved it. The world needs more Jonas Salks. My distrust of the Climate Change industry started with Al Gore. Too many people making money without solving the problems. I am a little skeptical of climate change scientist because in order to stay in business and continue to get funding, they must continue to scream that the sky is falling. Whether it is or is not.

I'm old and tired. Let it drop.

90% of all scientists believe in climate change. You mean to say they are all bought off?

Salk received funding from what was to become the March of Dimes which was started by FDR. He didn't do it himself. He didn't find the money, the money found him. He took a research position at Pitt's School of Medicine after being turned down from other schools because he was Jewish.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:05pm

steeler wrote:

Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit. It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?

uh...yeah...thats pretty much it...i guess

This was about a week ago. I'm not backscrolling to get it all straight.

You said something about science finding solutions to all our problems and making life good. something kinda like that sorta maybe more or less. Monsanto was the first thing that came to mind when I read that. I said it out loud. Don't over think it. It's me.

Jonas Salk saw a problem. He found the money and he solved it. The world needs more Jonas Salks. My distrust of the Climate Change industry started with Al Gore. Too many people making money without solving the problems. I am a little skeptical of climate change scientist because in order to stay in business and continue to get funding, they must continue to scream that the sky is falling. Whether it is or is not.

I'm old and tired. Let it drop.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 2:21pm

hippiechick wrote:

Greenland is Melting, Literally

AUGUST 8, 2012

This is some scary stuff. According to NASA analysis of recent satellite readings, in just four days, nearly all of Greenland’s surface ice melted.

.........

Because if we don't act soon, Greenland will just be the beginning.

Umh, HC, the impression you are making is simply untrue. What is true is that it is melting at a record pace. But it is almost two miles thick in some places. The sea level would rise drastically, ocean currents altered, and the sea awash in icebergs.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 1:50pm

steeler wrote:

Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit. It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?

i haven't back-scrolled so don't blame me

monsanto (a global lobbying powerhouse) and government(s) are special partners

they (monsanto) have the best state secured privileges money can buy

i guess my point would be is there any difference between the two (especially their trustworthiness)

in other words, both are corrupt and in bed together

can we trust them

i think there could be an influenced interpretation of what some scientist in the trenches says and what his superiors might say

whistle blowers don't do very well in corrupt political or corporate environs

regards

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 12:21pm

buzz wrote:

HITLER!

ok...not really, but i had to go with the first thing that popped into my head. you know how that is.

A quick looks show that Salk was privately funded by what would later become The March of Dimes.

Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit. It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 12:07pm

hippiechick wrote:

Greenland is Melting, Literally

AUGUST 8, 2012

This is some scary stuff. According to NASA analysis of recent satellite readings, in just four days, nearly all of Greenland’s surface ice melted.

In a normal summer, 40 percent of Greenland’s landmass is covered by ice as the ice sheet shrinks by about half during the hottest months of the year. And on July 8th, things were still looking normal.

But just four days later, 97 percent of Greenland’s icy blanket was thawing out, a record amount of melting in a record amount of time.

“The discovery was so severe, researchers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California analyzing the satellite data thought it was a mistake. The space agency has monitored Greenland’s annual ice melt for 30 years, and has never recorded anything like this before.”

As the U.S. suffered through a triple-digit heat wave, on July 11 and 12, Greenland was experiencing it’s own heat wave, with temperatures reaching a degree or two above freezing — which in the arctic, is utterly catastrophic.

Not since 1889 has Greenland experienced such a melting event. Whether Global Warming caused the rapid melt or this is a natural event is still up for debate. Lets hope for the sake of Greenland and our entire planet, that this was an isolated event.

Despite the mounting evidence of global warming, including Greenland melting in just four days — many of our elected leaders still refuse to admit that global warming is real, let alone do anything about it. Click here to sign our petiton demanding elected officials take this issue seriously.

Because if we don't act soon, Greenland will just be the beginning.

The wrong right is already shrugging loudly. Even with 3/4's of the US in drought and farmers dropping like flies. It's amazing how blind a political agenda and blatant stupidity can make some "thinking" apes.

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 12:05pm

miamizsun wrote:

bump

We'll see...

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 11:56am

miamizsun wrote:

‘Unprecedented’ Greenland Surface Melt – Every 150 Years?

By ANDREW C. REVKIN

bump

Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 11:39am

Greenland is Melting, Literally

AUGUST 8, 2012

This is some scary stuff. According to NASA analysis of recent satellite readings, in just four days, nearly all of Greenland’s surface ice melted.

In a normal summer, 40 percent of Greenland’s landmass is covered by ice as the ice sheet shrinks by about half during the hottest months of the year. And on July 8th, things were still looking normal.

But just four days later, 97 percent of Greenland’s icy blanket was thawing out, a record amount of melting in a record amount of time.

“The discovery was so severe, researchers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California analyzing the satellite data thought it was a mistake. The space agency has monitored Greenland’s annual ice melt for 30 years, and has never recorded anything like this before.”

As the U.S. suffered through a triple-digit heat wave, on July 11 and 12, Greenland was experiencing it’s own heat wave, with temperatures reaching a degree or two above freezing — which in the arctic, is utterly catastrophic.

Not since 1889 has Greenland experienced such a melting event. Whether Global Warming caused the rapid melt or this is a natural event is still up for debate. Lets hope for the sake of Greenland and our entire planet, that this was an isolated event.

Despite the mounting evidence of global warming, including Greenland melting in just four days — many of our elected leaders still refuse to admit that global warming is real, let alone do anything about it. Click here to sign our petiton demanding elected officials take this issue seriously.

Because if we don't act soon, Greenland will just be the beginning.

Posted: Aug 5, 2012 - 11:08am

Umberdog wrote:

Better than paying their fair share in taxes?

Winning "a game."

Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 9:59pm

Xeric wrote:

Yeah, because if that was accomplished, then, uh, well, then, uhmm . . . well, really, why the fuck would anybody be motivated to do that?

Better than paying their fair share in taxes?

Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 8:02pm

Umberdog wrote:

This is the BIG problem: The make believe and denial of the brain-washed, ditto-headed, greedy, multitude. Our weakest link.

"The whole global warming thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability." ~ Jerry Falwell

Yeah, because if that was accomplished, then, uh, well, then, uhmm . . . well, really, why the fuck would anybody be motivated to do that?

Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 3:07pm

buzz wrote:

HITLER!

ok...not really, but i had to go with the first thing that popped into my head. you know how that is.

A quick looks show that Salk was privately funded by what would later become The March of Dimes.

You might just state your point. Perhaps I might then be able to understand it. No promises, though, as I am a simple man.

Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 12:03pm

This is the BIG problem: The make believe and denial of the brain-washed, ditto-headed, greedy, multitude. Our weakest link.

"The whole global warming thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability." ~ Jerry Falwell

Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 11:56am

steeler wrote:

Jonas Salk

HITLER!

ok...not really, but i had to go with the first thing that popped into my head. you know how that is.

A quick looks show that Salk was privately funded by what would later become The March of Dimes.

Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 11:01am

buzz wrote:

Monsanto

just sayin...

Jonas Salk