the next time you hear someone (especially politicians) speak up about
CO2 and global warming
ending poverty and improving the quality of life exponentially (including food, nutrition, shelter, ending/minimizing disease, extending life span, technology, etc.)
all pollution (including nuclear waste)
concerns about fresh water (desalination included)
you need to speak up about LFTR (Thorium power/energy)
hell, i wouldn't wait until someone else brought it up, i'd be proactive (that is if you care about these issues)
please do your part, go forth and replicate this message
shameless bump for those two videos (yeah those two videos right down there they're related and the old guy is coming clean about killing 40,000 elephants and stuff but please don't hate him)
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Posted:
Mar 1, 2013 - 9:12am
hippiechick wrote:
Actually, people are now becoming more aware of the environment, and interest is way up, according to polls.
However, the Koch Brothers are sinking tons of dark money into promoting the propaganda you are spreading here.
I wouldn't generally believe a single word in the Daily Caller anyway, just another right wing propaganda arm.
I'll take that as a "no".
hippiechick
Did you ever grow anything in the garden of your mind?
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Mar 1, 2013 - 9:06am
Steve wrote:
Did you read the source article on The Independent site? Yeah, the guy at the Daily Caller is rejoicing in the decline of interest in helping the planet, but the phenomenon is real.
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Mar 1, 2013 - 9:03am
hippiechick wrote:
Dude's a moron.
Did you read the source article on The Independent site? Yeah, the guy at the Daily Caller is rejoicing in the decline of interest in helping the planet, but the phenomenon is real.
I know I hammer this home constantly, but it is often worth a reminder. The issue in the scientific debate over catastrophic man-made global warming theory is not whether CO2 is a greenhouse gas, or even the approximate magnitude of warming from CO2 directly, but around feedbacks. Patrick Moore, Greenpeace founder, said it very well:
What most people don't realize, partly because the media never explains it, is that there is no dispute over whether CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and all else being equal would result in a warming of the climate. The fundamental dispute is about water in the atmosphere, either in the form of water vapour (a gas) or clouds (water in liquid form). It is generally accepted that a warmer climate will result in more water evaporating from the land and sea and therefore resulting in a higher level of water in the atmosphere, partly because the warmer the air is the more water it can hold. All of the models used by the IPCC assume that this increase in water vapour will result in a positive feedback in the order of 3-4 times the increase in temperature that would be caused by the increase in CO2 alone.
Many scientists do not agree with this, or do not agree that we know enough about the impact of increased water to predict the outcome. Some scientists believe increased water will have a negative feedback instead, due to increased cloud cover. It all depends on how much, and at what altitudes, latitudes and times of day that water is in the form of a gas (vapour) or a liquid (clouds). So if a certain increase in CO2 would theoretically cause a 1.0C increase in temperature, then if water caused a 3-4 times positive feedback the temperature would actually increase by 3-4C. This is why the warming predicted by the models is so large. Whereas if there was a negative feedback of 0.5 times then the temperature would only rise 0.5C.
My slightly lengthier discussions of this same issue are here and here.
and in a blow to to big bankers who are eager to implement a global carbon derivatives trading scheme...
looks like some good news
it turns out the modeling (and it's all about modeling) isn't as accurate as once thought
thanks to newer technology we can get better data in and out
now if we can just get this (and thorium/LFTR) in front of everyone...