Distrust Comes Home
Posted by JustineFromWyoming - Jun 12, 2012 - 6:25pm |
I'll precede this by saying I'm a very trusting individual. Probably too trusting. Today was the first, but probably not the last, weird parenting scenario I've experienced, not of my own doing. Our son has been riding his bike over to a classmate's home recently. Charlie knows this boy from school, a classmate, that lives across the street from our local school. It's a ride of approximately 3 blocks from our house. He's been over there a few times now that school is out, but he's never been invited inside. That's okay with me, because they've played on the school playground, all within sight of said child's mother. She's never called here or attempted to contact me here at our house though Charlie has recited our phone number to her. He doesn't stay long, told by me to not be there more than an hour before he's to come home. I do this not as a control but as a practice of independence and time telling. Today, he asked if he could go there. I said yes. He asked if the little boy could come here to play. Again, I said yes. I sent my name, street address and phone number with him on a piece of paper that he put directly in his pocket. It wasn't too long until the little boy's mother called. She told me, over the phone, that she "never lets her children go play at other people's houses. Some bad things happened when I was a child and so that's that." I said I understood and that Charlie should be sent home. She told me "it's nothing personal..." I said I understood but he could come home. Now. Augusta had accompanied him there and I was about to hop in the car to go fetch them. As it happened, Charlie didn't receive that instruction. At that very moment that I was heading to the car, upset over the phone conversation, he came riding up on his bike, to ask for a piece of gum. It was at that point that I had to tell him that he couldn't return to his friend's house. I'm truly sorry for what happened to this particular little boy's mother. More importantly, I know abuse and the tendency toward abuse does not stop in a generation. I don't know what message this woman was trying to send: I'm in need of assistance, I'm giving you a warning, or I'm the most distrustful individual walking the planet and you and yours do not measure up. No matter what, I'm not going to find out. I'm busy. I'm entrusted in my profession to care and educate the children of this community. I have been fingerprinted. I love my children and keep their safety first and foremost. I don't have room for anyone's crazy. Most of all, I don't appreciate the judgement. Yes, I'm mama bear. If you doesn't see, upon meeting my children, that they will be the sweetest, most true and most stable children a child could hope to meet, then you don't deserve them to befriend your child and they don't get to be part of your life. Feel free to pm me if I've taken the wrong tack with this. Charlie is VERY upset with me, even though I explained to him it was nothing he did, nothing I did, nothing WE did. I had to have a conversation with him, as a 7 year old, that was beyond his understanding and had us both in tears. I can't force someone to trust me, no matter what I say or do. Either a person trusts or they don't, no matter the baggage. And, not to discount anyone's experience, but if the episode(s) were so bad... why have children? Why risk the chance that their child might suffer the direct abuse of another? Isn't it more cruel to raise a child without trust, peer isolation and a guarantee of exclusion? (I've worked on some resolution with Charlie. His heart is broken by this loss of his friend. We have encouraged him to play a little more with a nice little boy in our neighborhood and he's off now visiting him. It'll all be okay, but I think I have some work to do to get over this. I guess we'll see how I do...) This photo is not actually related to this story, but I just want to show the soul that resides in my heart and in this house... |
ScottFromWyoming
I eat pints.

Location: Powell 
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Jun 21, 2012 - 6:51am |
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He's fine. He's busy in summer school so he's been distracted and hasn't mentioned his friend lately.
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JrzyTmata
You say tomato, I say STFU!


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Jun 20, 2012 - 4:57pm |
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helenofjoy
What Day Is This?

Location: Arlington, VA 
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Jun 17, 2012 - 8:04am |
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It's good that you learned something from her about her situation/history and it's better to be safe than sorry. Usually women who are abused by controlling men find themselves inexplicably attracted to the same kinds of men that abused them (cause he seems like a "more manly man" doncha know, and powerful). Good that you stopped and got a feel for MHoH too. Your family seems to be a wonderful model for happy, sustainable family life.
It isn't about you - don't be offended - it is completely about her. I feel sad for her little boy.
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Xeric
Oh! This!

Location: Montana 
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Jun 14, 2012 - 9:00pm |
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. . . or I'm the most distrustful individual walking the planet and you and yours do not measure up.
Only half of that is true. It ain't the second half.
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Yibbyl
Me, I'm just a feedback queen...

Location: Gaäd only knows 
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Jun 14, 2012 - 12:09pm |
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You trusted your gut and it appears to have been validated by Scott's visit to that house. I have no idea how to effectively pass along the idea to a child that age that one's intuition should be trusted. (BluEyes has initiated talks along these lines with our granddaughter, but I feel like I have contributed nothing more than nodding my head in agreement). I hope you are able to do this, though, for all your kid's safety. Intuition is one of nature's vital defense mechanisms. My mom was unable to give me that lesson in grade school (or maybe I was just too dense to get what she was saying). I also had a very hard time after she did what you have just done. Like you, she was right, but I couldn't see it at the time. All I knew was a neighborhood kid 2 years older than I wanted to be friends and I assumed that was cool. Very cool. By junior high, he was already in trouble for sexually assaulting one of his female family relatives! I don't know the details, but he never went to school with us again. Great job looking after Charlie and good luck in the future.  |
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Talalala
Hanging...

Location: Århus, Denmark 
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Jun 14, 2012 - 6:34am |
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It is very odd that she wasn't willing to come meet you and assess the situation individually. It is unfortunate for her child and Charlie.
I had a similar situation as a child. I was 12 and invited to a dance at the Mormon church of my best friend. I really wanted to go of course with my friend! My friend said that before I went I had to be 'interviewed' by the bishop. He was going to ask me questions like 'Have I ever kissed a boy' and other questions, but "just lie".. (haha). So I asked my mom if I could go to the dance. She said sure..I mean a dance at a church? (pretty harmless). But then I asked her if she could please drive me to the bishop's house so I could have the interview. Of course she said 'NO WAY!!, if you aren't good enough to go how you are, then forget it' At the time I was really disappointed and angry and didn't understand what the big deal was, I just wanted to join my friend. Of course as I got older and thought back, I was really thankful and understanding about why my mom reacted how she was. I think you are in the right.. the mom seems 'off' and you probably don't want that around Charlie. You want to be able to trust her too with his supervision! xox
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justlistening
Did you hear that?

Location: So. California 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 10:10pm |
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For what my opinion is worth (not much) I think it's a good life lesson for your son. I think you did the right thing. You taught that you don't distrust everyone, but when there's good reason you have too. He knows that it wasn't him, and I think, from your story, he knows it wasn't his friend, and realizes it's the mom.
What a great thing to teach our children - awarenss of the world we live in - both the good and the bad - so they can grow and be safe.
I say good job mom
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Skaterella

Location: jrzy 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 8:42pm |
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I really identify with this story. Benny's best friendsarents won't let their son play with benny anymore. They were close friends of ours too and they don't even speak to us anymore. Benny had a few blow ups at their house when he wasn't doing well. i understnd your son's heartbreak and the terrible feeling of being perceived as a bad parent. it sounds like that Mom has a lot going on there. hope your son finds a new buddy!
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RASPUTIN
Kickin' back


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Jun 13, 2012 - 7:17pm |
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I gotta go with Jade on this one. If something is setting off your mama bear instincts you gotta listen. Good call. I bet there are lots of moms in the world that would have just blown it off. You're a good egg, Mama Bear.
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jadewahoo
Coachman to the Other Side


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Jun 13, 2012 - 6:43pm |
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As a parent, I say: You did the right thing. The right thing may not always be the easy thing. The right thing may not have reasons to back it up. It is the right thing because your heart assessed the situation and responded with love.
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katzendogs

Location: Houston 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 6:31pm |
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Hell. I wish you would have been my Mom and Dad!  |
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maryte
I've got the bare necessities!

Location: Blinding You With Library Science! 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 5:24pm |
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I was abused as a child - by a relative - and, although this probably informs my opinion that people are no damned good, I do endeavour to give people - all people - the benefit of the doubt. Now, it may not take long for me to make an assessment, and that assessment may not be positive, but I absolutely CANNOT and WILL NOT believe that people should automatically be suspect without that assessment. It's apparent this woman doesn't realize that when she says "Nothing personal" without even having met you that it is, indeed, personal. But it's about her, not you. Justine, I realize we've never even met, but I consider you and Scott friends - good friends - great friends, wonderful people, amazing parents, so please don't beat yourself up over her dysfunction. The hardest part is making sure Charlie doesn't beat *himself* up over this. And I can't help but imagine if her own son is blaming himself. |
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Lazy8
human

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 11:30am |
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There may be more going on than it sounds—her excuse seems just a bit too pat We've been there and done that—but they were honest about their reasons for telling their kids to avoid ours.
It's a blow, no doubt. But try to keep your own feelings about this from turning into an issue for the kids. Kids sort this kind of thing out pretty easily, and friendship will subvert parental hangups over time. If it really is paranoia rather than some kind of disapproval the only solution is to wait it out. If it's disapproval the best answer is to let your kids' virtues overcome their friend's parent's prejudice.
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p4jkafla
Resident oddball

Location: New England, USA 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 11:12am |
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"Oh, our kids will still see each other in class and on the playground and maybe over time the mom and male head of household will prove us wrong but I stopped by a few days ago to meet them and invite any and all of them to go to the pool. The kids and mom weren't there but I got a little weird vibe off MHoH. Que sera. Maybe they'll prove to be great but you don't get do-overs on this so you pull the kids in close and start over, slowly."
I didn't know the husband was also at issue in this as well. I also didn't pick up on the hostility that seems to be there.
My bad...
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steeler
About three bricks shy of a load

Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 10:14am |
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Tough situation.
I have no advice, other than to say hang in there.
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ScottFromWyoming
I eat pints.

Location: Powell 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 9:40am |
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Oh, our kids will still see each other in class and on the playground and maybe over time the mom and male head of household will prove us wrong but I stopped by a few days ago to meet them and invite any and all of them to go to the pool. The kids and mom weren't there but I got a little weird vibe off MHoH. Que sera. Maybe they'll prove to be great but you don't get do-overs on this so you pull the kids in close and start over, slowly.
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p4jkafla
Resident oddball

Location: New England, USA 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 8:34am |
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I'm not sure... I don't know the tone of the conversation; whether it was friendly or cold, or tentative or stubborn...but... Seeing that Charlie likes her son, I might not have moved to that either/ or point so quicky. I might have said..."how about a cup of coffee sometime?", or how about "how about you and your son stop in, and we can have coffee while they play a while?" Getting to know her and how she feels might go a long way to building the trust she needs to be comfortable. I wouldn't call it crazy, so much as someone who is just very slow to trust. I would reach out to her; find out more about her, and why she feels as she does. I'm not saying be a therapist or anything, but understanding her better might build the bridge necessary to make things work for her. Who knows what issues she has, but she might turn out to be a very very good friend for both Charlie and you.  |
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cc_rider
Love the Meatball. BE the Meatball.

Location: Austin Texas. Y'all. 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 8:19am |
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Wow. I can't really add anything beyond what others have said. It's a sad situation all the way around.
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EleventhMan


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Jun 13, 2012 - 8:12am |
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I'd have done the same thing...in fact I'm in the process of it now (separating my daughter from a friend whose family is just in too much crisis/drama/bad choices). She's aware of my reservations, but not that I'm consciously & deliberately moving her away. I'm "re-directing" her to other groups, people, etc. I know the question will be asked - she's very astute, and old enough to know something's up. I'll answer her honestly, but within the boundaries her age/maturity can handle.
You've done exactly the right thing, and in sharing it with us, affirmed my own (similar) decision....thanks Justine for being a great mom!
p.s. - your phrase 'I don't have room for anyone else's crazy' is spot on, and really made all my own doubts about my decision disappear.
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ScottFromWyoming
I eat pints.

Location: Powell 
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Jun 13, 2012 - 7:47am |
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My first—and really only—thought was that the abuse hasn't stopped, so thanks for the heads up.
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