I definetely think the best rem are these!

I like this song. Can't say the same for you liberal idiots and your neocon brethren. Why not take your useless (and quite pitiful) political arguments elsewhere? Trust me, nobody is going to accuse you of sounding intelligent (except of course the dopes that agree with you.)

Glockman45 wrote:

Guess I'm in good company (approx. 70% of the country). Have good, get give! Baby arm! (who exactly is the idiot?)

orpheus wrote:

you are a complete idiot, forget the BJ's, do you know, argh forget it, it's not worth it.

number6 wrote:

i did, but don't know what they mean either

veegez wrote:

your kinda silly, come on over to our side!

Did anybody else have "invisible", reflective "4"s embossed into the "R"s on the cover art like I did? You could see them only if you held the cover at an angle in the right light.

I've only seen it on my old cassette version of "GREEN", and never again, and nobody else seems to know what I'm talking about. Please tell me I'm not crazy! (And what would those "4"s mean, anyway?)

Nice. And nice job in general with playing good REM, RP.

orpheus wrote:

My response to that is. HAH!

Plus:
Rebuttal A.
"You are such a liar." Darren Harris - Sixteen Candles (while wearing night goggles)

or Rebuttal B.
"I love the rain. It washes memories off the sidewalk of life." Woody Allen - Play It Again Sam

or Rebuttal C.
"I don't like this thing! And here's what I'm going to do with it!." J L Dreyfuss - Seinfeld (Toupe episode)

or Rebuttal D.
"Well, you sound like a pretty handy guy there, Jack." Martin Mull - Mr. Mom (personal favorite)

I think that's the final word on all of that.

I forgot this song was on the Green album. Thanks for playing it!

Somehow they always make me sing along.. it's a big conspiracy.. political patronizing! or maybe it's just a good tune by a great band.

not an REM fan

veegez wrote:

seriously dude, nobody except the religious right ever really gave a shit

Shesdifferent wrote:

I guess not.....

(Edit: Due to the highly expendable and useless content here previously, and the apparent rash developed by sensitive left leaning citizens -see Orpheus, this portion has been tastefully censored)

What were we talking about again - was it the middle thing?

Doesn't anyone understand between the lines of this great song? It's not about external politics.

Brilliant.

Really outstanding song from what, at the time, compared to their earlier work, seemed a rather disappointing album overall.

redeyespy wrote:

parrothead wrote:

If only they would follow your advice......

orpheus wrote:Please listeners!!! Keep the politcal remarks to one's self.We don't need it in this form!

Hannio wrote:

How I freakin' pine for those days now! At least he didn't ok selling our ports to the freakin' Arabs!!!!

catmaven wrote:

I feel the lyrics are some kind of lecture. Why would I want a patronising lecture in realpolitik? If I want a lecture in politics I can just read the comments on this thread.

wink

I followed the song meaning link and found this quote attibuted to the song writer;
"I felt the lyric would actually look good to read, and it does read well - there's words like divine and decree, they all start with a 'D', which is good, and things rhyme,but they don't rhyme too much. I can't remember what it's about... Well, somone's at war with themselves.....Anyway, in World Leader Pretend, that was me copying Leonard Cohen, using something like military terms to get across a very simple human emotion"

Right. That's like, deep. Like. No wonder I couldn't understand it

Even if his economic theory were not meretricious and even if he had a tangible product to sell . . . Surely I did not read this at the RP site.

geavis wrote:

Earnest college-boy sentiments. Tune good. Vocal monotonous. No poetry, just prose in the (ungrammatical, pretentious) lyrics. Yet singer comes across as likable anyway.

I like R.E.M. quite a bit, having gone to college in Athens during their early years.

However, to me, this is one of their worst songs - lyrics just too pretentious for my taste. Not that I have anything against making a statement (eg Ignoreland, Exhuming McCarthy, several others I like).

(the first comment since 2004 ... i can't believe it)

this is one perfect, fine song ... it has all what I love about R.E.M.

Is Michael a prophet?
considering that this song is from the late 80s, you could argue this way ...

10e+10

A masterpiece.

What an appropriate song for this election evening.

Great tune.

Perfect.

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