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Artist:Elton John [ more ]
Song:Indian Sunset
Album:Madman Across The Water [ info ]
Released:1971
Last Played:Apr 07, 2012 - 01:48
Avg. Rating:6.4  (Total Ratings: 197)
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1 votes: 14 (7.1%)2 votes: 11 (5.6%)3 votes: 13 (6.6%)4 votes: 8 (4.1%)5 votes: 11 (5.6%)6 votes: 17 (8.6%)7 votes: 42 (21%)8 votes: 42 (21%)9 votes: 26 (13%)10 votes: 13 (6.6%)
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xkolibuul
(Chuckanut sandstone)
Posted: Apr 17, 2013 - 23:31 

 Dalebarely wrote:

Every musician, singer and songwriter ever did their best work early. There are no exceptions to this rule.

 
Nonsense.  There are always exceptions.  Look at Bruce Cockburn.  He produced a simply stunning run of albums from mid 90s to about 2005, and has been around for years, since the early 70s.  Or Paul Simon.  Graceland is every bit as good as S&G's early work.  No exceptions, eh?  Utter tosh.      
Dalebarely
Posted: Mar 06, 2012 - 08:58 

 ozzie1313 wrote:
I loved this album and although everything Elton did was musically sound none of it appealed to me after this.  Steve Miller, Rod Stewart, Cheryl Crow and many others did their best work early.
 
Every musician, singer and songwriter ever did their best work early. There are no exceptions to this rule.
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Mar 06, 2012 - 08:54 

 linden wrote:
I like early Elton/Bernie as much as the next person, but man is this song silly. I know people who aren't from the U.S. can't be expected to have an in-depth knowledge of American history, but would Elton and Bernie mix together the Irish, English and Welsh in the same song like they're all the same? Sheesh.
 
Sure, it's a mess, fact-wise. Have you listened to 'Tumbleweed Connection'? Same mish-mash of historical nonsense. Bernie writes lyrics, not historical treatises. Bernie writes from his emotions, and facts often get lost in the shuffle. Worse, Elton has been known to throw out lyrics that don't fit, muddying the water further still. Just enjoy it (or not) for what it is, don't try to analyze too much.

iTuner
Posted: Mar 06, 2012 - 08:51 

 imnotpc wrote:
Worst Elton John song I've ever heard. Had to turn it off...
 
Agreed, what a stinking pile this one is.
linden
(Santa Cruz, CA)
Posted: Feb 03, 2012 - 16:37 

I like early Elton/Bernie as much as the next person, but man is this song silly. I know people who aren't from the U.S. can't be expected to have an in-depth knowledge of American history, but would Elton and Bernie mix together the Irish, English and Welsh in the same song like they're all the same? Sheesh.
linzie
Posted: Feb 03, 2012 - 16:30 

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

just upped my rating....{#Clap}
BobbyCat
(Beyond)
Posted: Dec 02, 2011 - 03:23 

 cc_rider wrote:
I caught myself singing this in my head this weekend. And Bill plays it on Monday. Coincidence?
 
Nope.

lodian
(Marquette, MI)
Posted: Oct 31, 2011 - 13:06 

Madman Across the Water is one of the albums I got when it first came out but never replaced on CD. I always forget there is more to this album than Tiny Dancer and Levon.
ozzie1313
Posted: Oct 31, 2011 - 12:43 

I loved this album and although everything Elton did was musically sound none of it appealed to me after this.  Steve Miller, Rod Stewart, Cheryl Crow and many others did their best work early.
HMS_Beagle
(Vancouver, Canada)
Posted: Oct 31, 2011 - 12:39 

Yikes.
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Oct 31, 2011 - 12:39 

I caught myself singing this in my head this weekend. And Bill plays it on Monday. Coincidence?
unclehud
(300 feet above the planet)
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 19:25 

 cc_rider wrote:
... what do us Yanks know about Agincourt or Hastings, for example.
 
A subtle difference:  the culture and history of the US is often "learned" through television and movies, which often leads to fantastically incorrect interpretations of actual events.

It's like learning about English history from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Braveheart, and any movie with "Knight" in the title.

linzie
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 19:24 

"...and peace to this young warrior comes with a bullet hole"

One of my favorite lines from a tune, so sue me...
linzie
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 19:19 

 sieversfam wrote:

Really! 

I am having trouble determining which white, non-US artist's song on Native American plight is worse.. This song, or Europe's "Trail of Tears." 

 Europe had better hair. 

 

....pinhead
linzie
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 19:17 

One of his best, to me..anyway!  BT's lyrics are really very eloquent poetry! But the musical arrangements-prob. Paul Buckmaster or Gus Dudgeon-take it the rest of the way home.....powerful & deep at the same time!!!


cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Aug 29, 2011 - 09:49 

 Cynaera wrote:
I can't analyze Elton John/Bernie Taupin albums, because each has its own charm and its own shame.  I try to take each one on its own merits, but I confess, I have my favorites. I love "Rock of the Westies" because of the absolute dominance of Davey Johnstone's guitar work and the backing vocals.  I love "Caribou" because of "Ticking."  I love "Honky Chateau" because of the mood the entire album evokes in me (like the runes album by Zep - I can't single out one song; I have to listen to the whole thing.)

EJ had a bad stretch of music, but even at his worst, he was better than most artists, if only for his incredible piano playing and his determination.  I've got nothing bad to say about him.  (Oh, okay - "Island Girl," "Candle in the Wind," "Bennie and the Jets," and "Crocodile Rock," but with a track record as long and impressive as his, I think he can be excused for a few clunkers.)
  Yep.


sieversfam
Posted: Aug 29, 2011 - 09:49 

 DanO-1 wrote:


Really????
 
Really! 

I am having trouble determining which white, non-US artist's song on Native American plight is worse.. This song, or Europe's "Trail of Tears." 

 Europe had better hair. 

cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Aug 29, 2011 - 09:48 

 BigTimber wrote:
This song was played a while back but I just now am able to write my comment.  I found it interesting that much of the imagery seemed like a montage of stereotypes strung together (for instance, not every Native American lived in a tipi, those of the northwest and northeast used wood to make longhouses and some in the southwest used stone to build elaborate structures).  I was wondering if there was any sort of backlash to this. It is cool that he was giving a shout out to different tribes from across what is now the US with various languages, cultures, and histories...I suppose it would have just made more sense to me if he had stuck with one tribe located in one particular location and focused on their unique history.

Now, I don't want to cause any bad vibes because I actually really dig EJ and I realize what he did here was a tribute of sorts, just was wondering what others thought about this. Thanks!   

 
Oh, the whole lyric is straight from Bernie Taupin, a country boy from Nowheresville, England. Bernie is famously fascinated by the American West and the Civil War, but he is very short on historical accuracy. He can be forgiven: what do us Yanks know about Agincourt or Hastings, for example. He was just writing music, not researching actual events. Don't read too much into his lyrics, that way lies madness.

DanO-1
(Sandia Park, New Mexico)
Posted: Aug 29, 2011 - 09:45 

 imnotpc wrote:
Worst Elton John song I've ever heard. Had to turn it off...
 

Really????
gregormiz
(Portland, OR)
Posted: Jul 29, 2011 - 00:42 

This isn't a terrible song.  It's pretty ok, as is a lot of the work on this album.  The problem wit this album is that we hear WAY too much of it here.

Seriously, I'd just as soon hear more "good old Ludwig Van".  He didn't suck either.  Do we have to hear his 9th EVERY day?
Cynaera
(South of Neanderthal)
Posted: Jun 27, 2011 - 14:43 

I can't analyze Elton John/Bernie Taupin albums, because each has its own charm and its own shame.  I try to take each one on its own merits, but I confess, I have my favorites. I love "Rock of the Westies" because of the absolute dominance of Davey Johnstone's guitar work and the backing vocals.  I love "Caribou" because of "Ticking."  I love "Honky Chateau" because of the mood the entire album evokes in me (like the runes album by Zep - I can't single out one song; I have to listen to the whole thing.)

EJ had a bad stretch of music, but even at his worst, he was better than most artists, if only for his incredible piano playing and his determination.  I've got nothing bad to say about him.  (Oh, okay - "Island Girl," "Candle in the Wind," "Bennie and the Jets," and "Crocodile Rock," but with a track record as long and impressive as his, I think he can be excused for a few clunkers.)
jessfine
(exiled to Wisconsin)
Posted: Jun 27, 2011 - 14:38 

Pure schmaltz!  I logged in just to give this a 1 - my first ever.  I generally love  Elton's early stuff, but this is far from his best.
wendyleefrancis
(Somewhere in Canada)
Posted: Jun 27, 2011 - 14:31 

This is my favourite songs off one of my favourite albums. John so eloquently and passionately captures the tragedy of the end of Indian culture in the US. No matter how many times I hear this song, it brings tears to my eyes. Brilliant!
imnotpc
Posted: Jun 27, 2011 - 14:31 

Worst Elton John song I've ever heard. Had to turn it off...
BigTimber
(Fort Collins)
Posted: May 11, 2011 - 16:18 

This song was played a while back but I just now am able to write my comment.  I found it interesting that much of the imagery seemed like a montage of stereotypes strung together (for instance, not every Native American lived in a tipi, those of the northwest and northeast used wood to make longhouses and some in the southwest used stone to build elaborate structures).  I was wondering if there was any sort of backlash to this. It is cool that he was giving a shout out to different tribes from across what is now the US with various languages, cultures, and histories...I suppose it would have just made more sense to me if he had stuck with one tribe located in one particular location and focused on their unique history.

Now, I don't want to cause any bad vibes because I actually really dig EJ and I realize what he did here was a tribute of sorts, just was wondering what others thought about this. Thanks!   

Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC)
Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 09:30 

 jgirl63 wrote:
Classic Elton John. The seventies were unsurpassed for EjJ/BT team. 
"Candle in the Wind" doesn't hold a candle to his early work.
 
"Candle in the Wind" was released in 1973 - relatively early in their careers.

RedTopFireBelow
(Jersey shore, USA)
Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 09:24 

classic elton/bernie song..  one of the few ever written about the near extermination of the native american.... 

remember AIM (American Indian Movement)?    Russell Means, an activist, was wrongly imprisoned for many years for allegedly shooting a federal agent...    he was THE Last Mohican in the movie..   a little movie trivia for y'all....

cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 09:24 

 CoolbeaN wrote:
I've never liked elton john... Here is annother example why.
 
I have always liked Elton John. Here is another example why.

NicJohn
(Northern Michigan)
Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 09:23 

Great!
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 09:22 

 Peyote wrote:
 This song puts a lump in my throat everytime!
 
Yes. Yes it does.

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