sirdroseph (Outer Mongolia) | | Posted: Jan 08, 2010 - 13:50 | |
The Police at their best!!  |
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djaychicago
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Perfect follow-up to the Nirvana track. Thanks Bill!
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peter_james_bond (The Burg) | | Posted: Dec 08, 2009 - 05:20 | |
vaiodon wrote: There are a number of comments in this thread about the song and its connotations with the Northern Irish troubles. There's probably no doubt that it does obliquely reference the events of the time. The album was recorded in 1981, that year was the culmination of the IRA hunger stikes in HMP Maze, the "H-blocks", near Belfast. At that time Sting was married to Francis Tomelty, an actress from Belfast, and one would expect that she an influence on his perspective of what was happening in NI. It was a pretty horrific time, I guess I was lucky to spend some of that era away from Belfast (home) attending college in England. The video (not the record) was banned by the BBC as it contained footage of events in Northern Ireland that must have been regarded as too partisan. That was probably influenced by the ban that the UK government placed, during the 1980's, on Irish Republican's directly appearing on UK broadcast media (that led to a ridiculous situation where their words spoken were voiced, verbatim, by an actor). On a pedantic note, the Armalite wasn't the standard issue British Army foor soldier's weapon, that was the FN SLR. The Armalite was the IRA's "standard issue" weapon, hence, the Republican strategy of attaining its objective of a united Ireland through "a ballot paper in this hand and an Armalite in the other". My tuppence worth is that the song speaks of the futility of what was going on, to all perspectives, and expresses hope that the light to illuminate a way out will be found. It was but it took another 15 years and many more lives lost. I won't say countless lives, they are all counted here. fredriley wrote: Nicely put, mate. Sorry about the error about the Armalite - my memory's not what it used to be, young 'un :(. I normally have little time for Sting, and wasn't that much of a Police fan in the day, but kudos to them for this number which really is heartfelt and expressed hope at a time when there was none. It may seem strange to folk these days now that the "Peace Process" is winning, but back in the 80s The Troubles were as intractable as Apartheid was immovable, such that many Brits outside NI thought that the UK should just shuck off the province and let the backward natives sort it all out amongst themselves (not my view, but a common feeling at the time). Hope was a very rare and precious thing.
Wonderful comments gentlemen. I sometimes get the impression that many people think that peace is the normal state of affairs and as such it is an inevitability. That's just not the case. Peace is brought about through the hard work and sacrifice of many people. I tip my hat to all the people who toiled to bring peace to Northern Ireland. There is still more work ahead but if peace can be brought to that troubled region, then there is hope for many others. |
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xenothaulus (NEPA) | | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 12:51 | |
Ugh this is horrible. They sound... bored.
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stevenv58 (Elliot Lake Ontario, Canada) | | Posted: Oct 06, 2009 - 06:56 | |
EssexTex wrote:Horse shit...apart from the drumming
I don’t agree with the first part......but the second....OH YA...Stewart Copeland remains in my top three drummers of all time..  |
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EssexTex (Gitche Gumee) | | Posted: Oct 06, 2009 - 06:51 | |
Horse shit...apart from the drumming
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peter_james_bond (Lunenburg, NS) | | Posted: Sep 04, 2009 - 18:50 | |
WayUpNorth wrote:Reminds me of a big party I had at my apartment when this record first came out and the police came to the door while the police were playing ... everyone thought that was just soooo cool.
Until the cops tasered everybody....it was the RCMP after all.  |
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WayUpNorth (Down on the Farm) | | Posted: Aug 04, 2009 - 06:09 | |
Reminds me of a big party I had at my apartment when this record first came out and the police came to the door while the police were playing ... everyone thought that was just soooo cool.
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Wizzuvvoz (Land of Nod. East of Eden on Route 66.) | | Posted: Jul 19, 2009 - 10:50 | |
SparkyMarky wrote:One of their better songs from the period when they were becoming less good. But the fact that I haven't bothered to listen to it in over 20 years tells a story...isn't that the acid test? The songs which don't age for you? agree twice |
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SparkyMarky (Karlsruhe, Germany) | | Posted: Jul 10, 2009 - 11:54 | |
One of their better songs from the period when they were becoming less good. But the fact that I haven't bothered to listen to it in over 20 years tells a story...isn't that the acid test? The songs which don't age for you?
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jonahboo (in a corner) | | Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:22 | |
in NJ - it feels like i have not seen the sun in weeks! great song - my fav for the POlice
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gofishbish (somewhere between the keyboard and the chair) | | Posted: Jun 17, 2009 - 15:17 | |
Damn Bill - you are rockin' tonight - where the hell is my wallet?! I feel a donation commin' on!
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lophrequa (the very edge of the land) | | Posted: Jun 01, 2009 - 16:56 | |
it's at moments like this i appreciate the simple reality that my next door neighboor is hard of hearing
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leap
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bindi (North Carolina) | | Posted: Mar 14, 2009 - 18:10 | |
fredriley wrote: Pillock. Read the stuff about the NI context and get wise.
 I had to Google the term "Pillock" - good response! I promise to use the term well. :-) The Police were my gateway to all things literary as a kid - it seemed impossible to me that they could write something "cheesy" |
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fredriley (Nottingham, UK) | | Posted: Feb 11, 2009 - 04:20 | |
govna wrote:wow the police really came out with some cheesy shit didn't they.
Pillock. Read the stuff about the NI context and get wise. |
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fredriley (Nottingham, UK) | | Posted: Feb 11, 2009 - 04:19 | |
vaiodon wrote: There are a number of comments in this thread about the song and its connotations with the Northern Irish troubles. There's probably no doubt that it does obliquely reference the events of the time. The album was recorded in 1981, that year was the culmination of the IRA hunger stikes in HMP Maze, the "H-blocks", near Belfast. At that time Sting was married to Francis Tomelty, an actress from Belfast, and one would expect that she an influence on his perspective of what was happening in NI. It was a pretty horrific time, I guess I was lucky to spend some of that era away from Belfast (home) attending college in England. The video (not the record) was banned by the BBC as it contained footage of events in Northern Ireland that must have been regarded as too partisan. That was probably influenced by the ban that the UK government placed, during the 1980's, on Irish Republican's directly appearing on UK broadcast media (that led to a ridiculous situation where their words spoken were voiced, verbatim, by an actor). On a pedantic note, the Armalite wasn't the standard issue British Army foor soldier's weapon, that was the FN SLR. The Armalite was the IRA's "standard issue" weapon, hence, the Republican strategy of attaining its objective of a united Ireland through "a ballot paper in this hand and an Armalite in the other". My tuppence worth is that the song speaks of the futility of what was going on, to all perspectives, and expresses hope that the light to illuminate a way out will be found. It was but it took another 15 years and many more lives lost. I won't say countless lives, they are all counted here. Nicely put, mate. Sorry about the error about the Armalite - my memory's not what it used to be, young 'un :(. I normally have little time for Sting, and wasn't that much of a Police fan in the day, but kudos to them for this number which really is heartfelt and expressed hope at a time when there was none. It may seem strange to folk these days now that the "Peace Process" is winning, but back in the 80s The Troubles were as intractable as Apartheid was immovable, such that many Brits outside NI thought that the UK should just shuck off the province and let the backward natives sort it all out amongst themselves (not my view, but a common feeling at the time). Hope was a very rare and precious thing.
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peter_james_bond (Lunenburg, NS) | | Posted: Feb 11, 2009 - 04:15 | |
Terrific song from my favorite Police album!
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jagdriver (Tunin' in from the aptly-named Grass Valley, CA) | | Posted: Feb 02, 2009 - 08:50 | |
 Another plug for Andy's memoirs ( click link —>) http://www.andysummers.com/onetrainlater.php, which I'm finding to be a very interesting read. It turns out he played in The Animals and Soft Machine, jammed with Jimi, and was on the London scene when Stewart and Gordon were still in short pants. There's even a bit about him turning on another uberfamous rock guitarist to the virtues of Gibson guitars. All of this, and Andy is pretty decent writer, too (i.e., not ghostwritten). Oh, and don't forget RP's Amazon link! |
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SantaFeGrace (Santa Fe, NM) | | Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 08:39 | |
radiojunkie wrote:The Police's most underrated album (no thanks to all the Sting haters here!) — dark, unnerving, and slightly "off"...
 I like the cover art too! |
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govna (beantown) | | Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 08:39 | |
wow the police really came out with some cheesy shit didn't they.
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radiojunkie (Don't get out much) | | Posted: Dec 09, 2008 - 21:53 | |
The Police's most underrated album (no thanks to all the Sting haters here!) — dark, unnerving, and slightly "off"...
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kysmet (Hurricane Alley) | | Posted: Nov 08, 2008 - 08:41 | |
Wow...I haven't heard this song in a long time and forgot how much I love it!
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vaiodon (Halfway to Paradise) | | Posted: Oct 23, 2008 - 15:27 | |
There are a number of comments in this thread about the song and its connotations with the Northern Irish troubles. There's probably no doubt that it does obliquely reference the events of the time. The album was recorded in 1981, that year was the culmination of the IRA hunger stikes in HMP Maze, the "H-blocks", near Belfast. At that time Sting was married to Francis Tomelty, an actress from Belfast, and one would expect that she an influence on his perspective of what was happening in NI. It was a pretty horrific time, I guess I was lucky to spend some of that era away from Belfast (home) attending college in England. The video (not the record) was banned by the BBC as it contained footage of events in Northern Ireland that must have been regarded as too partisan. That was probably influenced by the ban that the UK government placed, during the 1980's, on Irish Republican's directly appearing on UK broadcast media (that led to a ridiculous situation where their words spoken were voiced, verbatim, by an actor). On a pedantic note, the Armalite wasn't the standard issue British Army foor soldier's weapon, that was the FN SLR. The Armalite was the IRA's "standard issue" weapon, hence, the Republican strategy of attaining its objective of a united Ireland through "a ballot paper in this hand and an Armalite in the other". My tuppence worth is that the song speaks of the futility of what was going on, to all perspectives, and expresses hope that the light to illuminate a way out will be found. It was but it took another 15 years and many more lives lost. I won't say countless lives, they are all counted here. |
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andrewimft (North Californie) | | Posted: Sep 29, 2008 - 02:28 | |
islander wrote:shades of Synchronicity here, and that is not a good thing. You can almost feel the point where they said "they say this will sell more albums, so let's give it a whirl"
So wrong— this was recorded before Synchronicity. LOL so of course there were 'shades' of the future release built from this one. This is my favorite Police CD, to my mind their best lyrics and songs. And this :There has to be an invisible sun It gives its heat to everyone There has to be an invisible sun That gives us hope when the whole day's doneAnd they're only going to change this place By killing everybody in the human race And they would kill me for a cigarette But I dont even wanna die just yet I always thought was such a powerful statement, chills me every time I hear it. I had no idea about what some said were the political intentions behind the song (such as the Ireland troubles), the lyrics and music on their own merit are a very powerful statement about inner spiritual power overcoming any political oppression, ordinary frustration with the system, or a terrible threat to one's life. I think of Lech Walesa, Nelson Mandela, or on a far more ordinary life level just myself or anyone surviving a bad day when I hear this insightful and moving song. |
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EssexTex (Bee Cave, Texas) | | Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 09:02 | |
milchschnitte wrote:stop bashing sting he is cool you reatards. ever heard of "freedom of art"? sorry for my bad english i am from mars.
"Bashing Sting"....now that's a good idea. |
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Droidac (4066 kms east of Paradise) | | Posted: Aug 28, 2008 - 12:46 | |
This song always seemed a bit "off" to me. Sounds like 2 different songs spliced together, and not in a good way. |
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baltimorelovejoy (Philadelphia, PA) | | Posted: Aug 21, 2008 - 10:09 | |
What's with the flange effect in the RP bumper? With headphones on, it's unnerving.
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superflyLD (Boston, MA) | | Posted: Aug 05, 2008 - 12:47 | |
lunar1963 wrote:
I'm slightly jealous... what prices are we talking about? It was about 110 US here...
good seats at most shows were $225 plus fees. Good seats (face value) at the final show are $400 with fees. It's a benefit for public television- so it's tax deductible. |
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lunar1963 (Netherlands) | | Posted: Aug 05, 2008 - 12:44 | |
superflyLD wrote:
going to their final show in NYC at MSG this Thursday! (5th show this tour)
I'm slightly jealous... what prices are we talking about? It was about 110 US here... |
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