outerspace wrote:

Talk to Germans who lived through the time of the Holocaust. Because they have so much in common with us. What with allowing the elected official to set himself up as dictator, brainwash the military with unregulated propaganda, install the most brutal sadists in history as the generals, and proceed to displace, colonize, subjegate and exterminate the populaces of other countries.

Yeah, that sounds like Bush. Problem is, the Iraqis don't have so much in common with the Jews. Whereas Hitler killed Jews, Bush allowed Iraqis to vote. Actually, the Iraqis have more in common with the Germans, allowing their leaders to engage in ethnic cleansing without accountability. We saved Iraq, we saved Germany, we saved Poland, we saved France, we saved half of Vietnam, we spared Russia and Japan.

Tell me I don't know my history if it makes you feel better. But you know less than you think.

outerspace wrote:

Oh yes, my, oh my, the similarities are frightening! I can think of so many similiarities:

1) Both countries had peole living in them! Oh my!
2) Both countries were above water! Whoah.....
3) Both countries existed during the 20th century (this is getting spooky)

I have this song and this RP copy sounds badly encoded.

/Sorry - had to point it out. This song deserves better.

:40 pm - Peter Gabriel - Biko
1:35 pm - Talking Heads - This Must Be The Place (Naive Melody)
1:31 pm - Stevie Wonder - Higher Ground
1:25 pm - Bob Marley - Get Up, Stand Up

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Four 10s in a row..what an afternoon delight...

Not another Peter Gabriel

Electrifying.

geavis wrote:



Or maybe talk to Germans who lived through that time. You may find their expeirence surprisingly relevant and similar to what is happening in this counrty now.

geavis wrote:

I am bored with arrogant "intellectual" liberal comparisons between Bush and Hitler. It is this same stereotype-mongering that breeds the absurd fearful link between teletubbies and homosexuality. I think that your time would be better spent actually getting out there and making a difference on your individual level, instead of whining about someone that is brave enough to try to improve our lives. If you think that Bush is so evil, and if you think that everyone should know this, then get out there and get someone else elected!! .....Oh, that is right, you tried....and failed. Nevermind. Resume your idle comparisons!!

A song with a message which is poorly written is like a street-corner rant -- ineffective, no matter how just the message. This is a gorgeous SONG first, a powerful message second. Thus it must always be.

Suffice it to say that music, Gabriels' included, is an important means to solicit opinion and emotion accross a spectrum of views. There are people who oppose oppression all around and are dying for their cause. What better way to honor them then to sing their praise and tell their stories and what better way to display our freedom than to discuss these songs and stories. Not everyone is free to do so.

Besides all of that - this song is a classic example of fusing African rythms to Western lyricism. Peter is a master at this!

steeler wrote: masterhead wrote::nodhead: I prefer earlier albums, though I love most of his work.
steeler wrote:Music with a message helps! ;)

Oddly, appropriate at Xmas-time. Thinking about things far above the ordinary and material.

As good as it gets.
Goosebumps.

steeler wrote:
To me is his best work, produced by Robert Fripp and Collins and Eno helping, just spotless

I suggest that you study your Nazi Germany history before you criticize someone for comparing Dumbya to Hitler. The Nazi Regime and the Bush Regime actions are parallel in countless ways. To bash someone's credibilty about a topic you obviously know VERY little about is unacceptable and equally ridiculous.

mig7 wrote:
No way! Not that I would even think about giving this tune a 1, It got a 9, with an option for a ten, but please allow people to dislike this

There were so many possitive comments here that it was hard to choose one to reply to :)
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trekhead wrote:
(yes, 'highter' is higher yet)

Losman wrote:
...after the human voice ;)

"....The wind will blow it highter...." :!: combo.

The 1 rating should be barred on certain songs.

The drum is the most important instrument

IMHO the best Gabriel Album produce by Fripp, including Eno, and even Phil Collins playing drums...

It's the end of the song that send shivers up my spine.

Overheard, but damned good

Eh!!!

Reminds me of university... Berkeley... anti apartheid protests.... good times.

ha ha!...I posted and then read your magnificant effort there, Pez!

Still a shit good song though!

eh?

Joe', this is your lullabye... go to bed!

The whole album is superb.

alanb wrote:


I am quite sure that Stephen Biko would not appreciate being grouped with the likes of Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Bin Laden, etc.

I think it would be terribly instructive if you got to live even one day in the utopian society that these groups envision if left unopposed. Losing your radioparadise privileges would be the least of your worries, I assure you.

funkaholic wrote:

Can't disagree more. I don't know which I find more powerful, the message or the ever-building music! Both really move me!