fecking 'ell!

(I hope veegez wins by the way even though I have not read it...how sad is that?....)

I love Sgt Biko, my fave old TV Show

What? That movie was trash. 20% Biko, the rest devoted to some newspaper editor nobody cares about. No thanks.

Good song, though.

Ahhh, right. Terrorists aren't that bad, are they? They are just simply misunderstood folks. If we just listened to them, we would come to the understanding, that everyone would be better off without Jews, and Zionist Americans. Now is that so bad? Well, in a word, yes. And, of course, many folks who engage in moral relativism such as stated above, tend to dismiss the WILLFUL INTENTIONS of the offending party. Which is their error.

If you think that children in a school bus are fair game, then I guess terrorists aren't so bad to you. Most sane, rational, intelligent thinking people on the planet have a different view. The most reprehensible act humans can perform on this planet is INTENTIONALLY TARGETING children and blowing their limbs off and burning them up in a bus for political gain. But America is the great Satan, right?

Or in short, it's good that this song has produced the discourse that it has, and no, I don't think we can ALL agree with the statement "One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist." Put a tally in the DISAGREE column for me, please.

Wow, um, three pages of arguing about Bush in a song about Biko?!

Ironically, I think we'd all agree that there is a lot of truth in the statement that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

How 'bout we leave it at that?

Gabriel makes us think and argue. I like that.

I appreciate the message of this song and that its popularity brought attention to Stephen Biko and others unjustly imprisoned, but musically I never did care for this tune.

Well, to be honest, I don't need to believe those things will happen to have an extremely dim view of the future, at least that large part of the future capable of being shaped by the US federal gov't. And no, I don't think those specific things will actually happen within five years. I direct your attention to Guantanomo Bay, however, for examples of a form of imprisonment that, while certainly less egregious, nevertheless contravene exactly the principles, set up in the Geneva Convention, that were produced by the world's horror at Nazi atrocities.

I don't know if you noticed, but in none of my posts did I say "Bush is Hitler." I pointed out some parallels that I found disturbing, but I have not made the sort of equation you attribute to me. I also find disturbing parallels between the actions of the current administration and the consolidation of power that happened under Hitler and Mussolini, the latter of whom once remarked that a better term than fascism might be "a corporate state"--which is, to my mind, an idological concept that the US is approaching with alarming speed. There are some interesting and disturbing but probably less persuasive parallels between the Nazis' invasion of Poland and the US invasion of Iraq, too, though I suppose that's more of a modern-day-equivalent in a pretty different geopolitical context.

It seems like you have a strong need to say that I am saying Bush is the exact same thing as Hitler in order to make my views look black and white enough to dismiss or ridicule them; if you take the time to examine what I've said, I'm pretty sure you'll be no closer to agreeing with me, but perhaps you'd consider my perspective a little more worthy of reasoned response. I feel perfectly capable of passionately disagreeing with you or your views without resorting to ridiculing or dismissing you or your opinions out of hand as my only way of expressing that disagreement, and I think your as capable of that as I am, if you want to be.

"Cry Freedom" with Denzel Washington and Kevin Kline. Amazing film.

I think your position on the "Bush is Hitler" argument really stands naked for everyone to see and to ridicule. A responsible opposing viewpoint really isn't necessary, but here's one just for a goof. If Bush is Hitler, and we follow the logic down the road, ask yourself this, and this is the test, "In 5 years, will we have stars/marks placed on certain people, re-education/concentration camps separating children from parents and wives from husbands, millions of people gassed, starved, slaughtered and placed in a big hole?" And if you answered yes to this, then you clearly have an EXTREMELY dim view of the future, and what the American Government is capable of.

Yeah, it does; too bad you haven't provided one. If the strength of your own opinions depends so much on rejecting others'--along with the people who voice them--then you have not even begun to offer a "reasonable opposing viewpoint," just a reactionary position.

And to me, quoting Dennis Miller hardly makes your case for you, though it is amusing.

... but it's so disturbing that people have such zany opinions on this subject, it's screams for a responsible opposing viewpoint. ...

I like this song, but what does it have to do with Bush and the election?

... and getting back to the music ..
Haunting, chilling and still to this day this song sends icy shivers down my back. BIG song.

Those still skeptical of the linkage of Nazism to the Bush family might at least consider checking out this.

Wow.

The really dumb liberals aren't just confined to the Yahoo.com message boards.

They here, too!

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE !!!!