lwilkinson wrote: 
US national debt when Dubya took office: $6 trillion.

When he leaves: something like $11 trillion, although it could be more.

Progress on the environment:  "Huh?"

Number of wars fought that missed the point: 1.

Number of Americans dead in said wars: 5,000 or so.

Number of Osama Bin Ladens caught: none (and ask yourself what the neocons would have been saying if this had been a Democrat president).

Progress on Social Security: it's now a faith based program.

Dubya has been a catastrophe.

BTW, the "latte" comment is part of this whole condescending neocon thing that got pretty roundly rejected on November 4.  With any luck, Limbaugh and Coulter will soon be looking for jobs in the food service industry and guys like you will learn how to debate without being a**holes.

 Imkirok wrote: 
Go read your history books.

Average Prime Lending Rate:  Carter 21.5%   Bush  3.0 to %

Unemployment Rate:  Carter 12.5%   Bush  4.5 to 5%

Gasoline Rationing:  Carter Yes    Bush No

Average APR on credit cards  Carter  65.0%   Bush 16.5%  (I worked in banking during Carter and the APR on credit cards at the height of the  recession really was 65% in some cases)

Carter on foreign affairs:  "The fruits of Carter's history with Iran are even more rotten.  Carter's abandonment of the shah in 1977-78 helped lead to the Islamic revolution (and the murder or imprisonment of many of the Iranian leftists who had supported overthrowing the shah), the emboldening of the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan and the rise of radical Islam worldwide. His botched approach to the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979 inspired Islamic terrorists all over the world, culminating in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001."  —— Cinnamon Stillwell SF Gate.

Direct Carter Quote regarding Jewish vote:  """....discussing his fading reelection prospects and his sinking approval rating in the Jewish community, snapped, 'If I get back in, I'm going to (blank) the Jews.".........."

It has simply become too easy to lay it all at Bush's feet and then walk away.  Bush isn't the worst nor the best so quit foaming at the mouth everytime someone mentions his name and just there like a nice boy and sip your latte.

 PabloVTA wrote: 
I agree with that

alux wrote:

Worst President ever. The damage he has done to our economy, environment, national psyche, and credibility world-wide will take years to repair.

love, love, love this song...!

Gosh, I just think this a good song by a great band. Not sure where all this other stuff is coming from.

Lived through both. Not even close.

Carter Administration did many things well (like public lands conservation) that never got noticed amid a bad economy and Iran.

W has put the nation in hock for his Iraq misadventure and has eviscerated the capable parts of the fed. govt (exhibit A, talk to a Park Ranger this summer about the current state of Natl Park Service morale). We will paying for his bad judgement for years. Name me one good thing that he deserves credit for. Worst president since Warren G.

lwilkinson wrote:

lwilkinson wrote:

Bullshit, I am old enoung and remember who was in the white house the previous 8 years when the recession started, Nixon and Ford, both real gems. Jimmy Carter was not a bad president, and as a person he is outstanding, he won a noble peace prize and continues to do major charity work. Neither Bush is ever going to do that. If our current President was not born a rich boy, he wouldn't be in the white house. He has never achieved anything great in his whole life, and he is going to go down in history in the catagory of stupid presidents. In my lifetime there isn't a republican president that I can honestly say I am proud of, yet these idiots keep getting elected. ????????????

a_genuine_find wrote:

You obviously aren't old enough to have lived thru' one of the worst recessions in modern history, combined with a gas shortage and gas rationing (buying gasoline on odd or even days based upon the number on your license plate) resulting in a landslide that took Jimmy out of office as a one-termer.

Not to mention the Iran hostage crisis and the disaster in the desert either.

Bush is bad but on a relative basis, not AS bad.

junebaby65 wrote:

Naw man, that'd be stupid, what would he sing about?

Really, I think a lot of people love Eddie becuase of what he has to say AND the way he says it. I think it is okay for someone to actually say something with their music.

naqutn1 wrote:
Anything specific? Seems that Bush II takes the prize for worst admin to date.

EDDIE VEDDER SINGS LIKE MICHAEL STIPE

junebaby65 wrote:

I'd feel the same. I'm a "righty" and I personally resent singers who spend half their show hammering politics in a stoned-stupor instead of entertaining, just like I resent Hollywood people who can't remember their real name from character portrayal to character portrayal giving their uneducated opinion either.

Either educate yourself on the issues or keep quiet.

RobK wrote:
Maybe annoying, but I'm curious how people would feel if Eddie was a Republican/right wing guy and expressed it as such in his lyrics and music. Would all the Eddie fans still feel the same towards him?

This is a joke right?

naqutn1 wrote:

naqutn1 wrote:Those of us who were actually aware when Carter was in office can attest that he holds no candle to Bush when it comes to being a lousy President. The current Chief Executive has no peers in that regard...being lousy is the one thing he excels at.

Eddie, on the other hand, just excels.

Pearl Jam - I Am Mine
Toad The Wet Sprocket - Walk on the Ocean
REM - Everybody Hurts

it's a trio of 6/8!

You should read up about Jimmy Carter. His administration was just as bad or worse than the current one.

nobody can argue that Bush is not the worst president EVER.

rascal420 wrote:

jone_ston wrote:



Vedder's going to be so jealous ...

crowhog2000 wrote:
Yet another "people who have any sort of creative ability or artistic talent should not express their views on politics and such" comment. How fucking annoying.

WHAT????




rascal420 wrote:

luminousjune wrote:

Yeah, right. Of course, Jim Morrison said that Crystal Ship referred to a glass of bourbon, too.

dowdog999 wrote:

someone has seen the light!

this is rock and roll ... who cares how you sing, as long as you have something to say ... i thought dylan proved that years ago when he revolutionized rock ... and believe me, eddie has a lot of good things to say.

crowhog2000 wrote:

right, ed, please stop speaking your mind about the current fucked up state this country's "foreign policy" and its so-called "leader" and placate and pacify this asshole, pleeeze????

Quite likable although I despise Eddie Vedder's political bullshit whining.

I like it, but I can't help thinking it would sound better sung by someone else. I think I'm gonna find the chords for this and learn it on my guitar....

detroit03 wrote:
... or the wreck of the ella fitzgerald.