crogers (Sunny San Diego, California) | | Posted: May 05, 2009 - 19:57 | |
Oh-oh. I think I feel a bit of pressure in my spleen... I thank the spirits that RP is here to provide a relief valve...
To my reckoning, Rush was one of a very few (at the risk of using a much-overused term) seminal bands that helped define the genre of "prog-rock" back in the 70s and 80s where, frankly, their biggest artistic impact was made. Their style of song writing — portrayals of brilliant (science-)fictional storylines — coupled with their eclectic choice of instruments, including a mix of the electronic and the exotic (the Mini-Moog synthesizer and an enormous Chinese gong, for example) was quite innovative at the time and placed Rush alongside the likes of creative, progressive guys like Yes, Pink Floyd and ELP, et al. Rush's musicianship and creativity is unquestionable and to my ear, many of their earlier works still hold up well today — even if, admittedly, it is primarily my sense of nostalgia that does the heavy lifting in that regard.
In my opinion, it is inestimably unfortunate that so many of the "vast unwashed" will never, ever appreciate the band's genius because they're left at the curb due to... well... due to Geddy's voice.
There. I said it.
Quite simply, it's one of the most polarizing components of their overall sound and I think even most dyed-in-the-wool Rush fanatics would admit that Geddy Lee's voice rubs them the wrong way at least some of the time. Some folks label Rush's music, particularly that of the 80's and early 90's, as "pretentious". I submit that if the same lyrics were delivered in an alternative vocal style, these same folks would find that the stories told by these songs and the sentiments that Geddy is trying to express would not be quite so lost on them. Their target audience has always leaned heavily toward the teenage male demographic and I can vouch for the fact that they've hit that mark squarely and repeatedly since their inception. The stories they tell and the advice they posit to all of the world's post-pubescent dudes can have a real resonance for them... Rush (and Geddy in particular) are, of course, absolutely aware of it. It's their bread-and-butter. To the uninformed ear, it all sounds pretentious. To Rush's target audience, it sounds like a group of supremely talented musicians with enough rings on their collective trunks to know a thing or two, offering advice about being a good person. They're talking about how it's absolutely OK to fantasize about being in a better (or a worse) place, that just because you're surrounded by idiots doesn't mean you have to become one, that you can use your own mind and heart to decide for yourself if your leaders deserve your respect and allegiance. Pretentious? Perhaps. But they're good messages, aimed directly at the guys who may soon be running the country you'll be spending your retirement in... Put their message up against most of today's pop-dreck and cop-killer-rap and you'll soon appreciate that while they may not be speaking directly to you, what they're saying shows a humanist's heart and a soul that cares.
Alas, Rush is what Rush is and Geddy Lee is as much an integral part of the band's definition as any gong or synthesizer. His voice is likely to remain the cornerstone of Rush that it has always been. I'd be fascinated to know if any other band or singer has ever covered a Rush song commercially, perhaps in a different arrangement — a different style — telling the same story in a slightly different way with a (more than) slightly different voice. Often, it seems that when people are turned on to the songs instead of being force-fed the singer, amazing things happen. So many of the "singers" that I have personally despised over the years are not held by me in such low esteem because of their songwriting chops. On the contrary, they are often extremely good songwriters (Dylan), saddled with singing voices that bring to mind the pathetic bleats of sheep being castrated on the Scottish moors in springtime (Dylan). It's a damn shame — you know there's good stuff down in there if you could just wipe off the vocal gook that seems to be clinging to the poetry...
Anyway — many, many thanks for allowing me to vent; I think I needed that.
Peace. |
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keller1 (In A Gadda Da Vida, Baby) | | Posted: May 05, 2009 - 18:26 | |
swruch wrote: I can remember uploading Rush mp3's to RP 5+ years ago and having them rejected by the voting process. Either there has been a mass change of heart, or there has been an acknowledgment at the base camp that Rush - like so many other progressive bands like Porcupine Tree, for example - are fundamentally at the center of what makes RP's programming so compelling.
Always hopeful, yet discontent.
Recently I uploaded Force Ten and Mystic Rhythms. Both got the raspberry from the RP upload committee. So I can share your pain. |
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robco1 (Chicago, IL) | | Posted: May 05, 2009 - 18:16 | |
Not my favorite album from them, but this song sounds better to me now than back then. 2112 was my favorite from them . . .
Love how polarizing they are . . .
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CafeRacer (Still Waiting To Wake Up, Indiana) | | Posted: May 05, 2009 - 18:05 | |
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rdo (DC) | | Posted: May 05, 2009 - 18:02 | |
I must have heard this 100 times while riding the bus to junior high, some guy always blasted this from the back seat. I loved it then and it sounds just as good a quarter of a century later. |
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gjeeg (Syracuse, New York) | | Posted: Apr 04, 2009 - 04:45 | |
Oh boy is RP gonna catch hell for playing this!
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swruch (Hamilton, NJ) | | Posted: Mar 03, 2009 - 16:27 | |
ninja_band wrote:wow - first time i've heard rush on radio paradise
i dig it but it's unexpected
I can remember uploading Rush mp3's to RP 5+ years ago and having them rejected by the voting process. Either there has been a mass change of heart, or there has been an acknowledgment at the base camp that Rush - like so many other progressive bands like Porcupine Tree, for example - are fundamentally at the center of what makes RP's programming so compelling. Always hopeful, yet discontent. |
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Leslie (Antioch, CA) | | Posted: Mar 03, 2009 - 16:20 | |
I never did like this song. I still don't.
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RadioDoc (Chicagoland) | | Posted: Mar 03, 2009 - 16:18 | |
 keller1 wrote:The irony is never lost on me that people scream bloody murder when an "eclectic" music station plays something, well, eclectic.
Anybody labelling these guys "pretentious" doesn't know the first thing about them. You just won't meet three nicer, more self deprecating guys.
And to the Porcupine Tree fans: Gavin Harrison owes Neil Peart a huge debt of gratitude —- his style is directly descended from Neil's.  |
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jagdriver (Tunin' in from the aptly-named Grass Valley, CA) | | Posted: Mar 03, 2009 - 16:16 | |
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Papernapkin (Mountain View, CA) | | Posted: Mar 03, 2009 - 16:16 | |
vandal wrote:I'm not saying that the human beings who make up the band are pretentious people - I'm saying that in my humble opinion, "pretension" is one of my listener perceived values as I evaluate how I feel when I hear the music of the band, Rush. I have a deep and abiding respect for the musicians who comprise the band. But as we all know, a band is more that just the sum of its constituent parts. To me, the Rush "sum" has a palpable sense of ostentatiousness. It is that perception which forms the basis of my opinion. No disrespect intended.  Respectfully put. Yeah, these guys suck. |
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camatcba
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 Fantastic!  |
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vandal (arriving somewhere, but not here. . .) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 12:28 | |
I'm not saying that the human beings who make up the band are pretentious people - I'm saying that in my humble opinion, "pretension" is one of my listener perceived values as I evaluate how I feel when I hear the music of the band, Rush. I have a deep and abiding respect for the musicians who comprise the band. But as we all know, a band is more that just the sum of its constituent parts. To me, the Rush "sum" has a palpable sense of ostentatiousness. It is that perception which forms the basis of my opinion. No disrespect intended.  |
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keller1 (In A Gadda Da Vida, Baby) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:59 | |
The irony is never lost on me that people scream bloody murder when an "eclectic" music station plays something, well, eclectic.
Anybody labelling these guys "pretentious" doesn't know the first thing about them. You just won't meet three nicer, more self deprecating guys.
And to the Porcupine Tree fans: Gavin Harrison owes Neil Peart a huge debt of gratitude —- his style is directly descended from Neil's. |
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vandal (arriving somewhere, but not here. . .) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:35 | |
bachbeet wrote:Never liked this group. Probably the most pretentious band ever. Styx probably a close second.
When I was in HS, I loved both for the very reasons you don't like them. I saw Rush live, 3 times. Now, I consider them beloved (but rarely visited) artifacts in my musical pilgrimage. As I look back, I have to agree that Rush was/is the embodiment of pretension. Later in college, when I was a live audio reproduction engineer for a new wave band in the early 80's, I had the dubious "honor" of working the sound system of a Rush "clone" band for whom we opened. They had a huge setup: massive light system, several fog machines, numerous strobes, a towering PA, and of course the requisite "Power Trio" stage props: a drum kit that would have trouble fitting into a 747, dual twin Marshall stacks which would have killed the guitarist and bassist should they tip over on stage, etc. I was miserable, listening to these preening prima donnas give me their take on what a great band they were, and how lucky we were to open for them. A year later they changed their name, ditched their stage gear, moved to LA and went New Wave. . . Hubris at its best. . . |
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KSC (Edmonton, Alberta Canada) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:29 | |
Papernapkin wrote: You got it, bro.
Another negative vote from the Canadian judge. Many in Canada would hint that it is somehow our patriotic duty to support the likes of Rush, Joni Mitchell, Buffy St. Marie, et, al — (it is part of the inferiority complex that makes up so much of our national identity) — but this cut was tripe then, and its tripe now. Screeching, unlistenable crap. |
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westslope (BC coast) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:29 | |
romeotuma wrote:
This is virtuoso stuff— on every instrument...
With no respite during the entire 'song'.  |
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(former member) (hotel in Las Vegas) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:27 | |
This is virtuoso stuff— on every instrument...
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mystercy
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Makes me wish I had my ipod.
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hippiechick (Heaven, a place where nothing ever happens) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:25 | |
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ninja_band (chicago, il) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:25 | |
wow - first time i've heard rush on radio paradise
i dig it but it's unexpected
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swruch (Hamilton, NJ) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:25 | |
Always glad to hear Rush on RP...
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Papernapkin (Mountain View, CA) | | Posted: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:24 | |
bachbeet wrote:Never liked this group. Probably the most pretentious band ever. Styx probably a close second. You got it, bro. |
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bachbeet
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Never liked this group. Probably the most pretentious band ever. Styx probably a close second.
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MartinBremer
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I like this song! But their new stuff ("Snakes and Arrows") is in my opinion their best work. Remeber this is not coming from a Rush-Head. I like them, but still... something's missing (or maybe there is simply too much going on).
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Zweiblumen (Boston, MA [2,606 miles ENE of Paradise, CA]) | | Posted: Jul 30, 2008 - 05:58 | |
Jimmy86 wrote:
You're gonna complain about a typo? What next? That I said "gonna" instead of "going to"? Get a life
Dude did misspell it twice in the same way. That doesn't look like a typo to me. |
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Zweiblumen (Boston, MA [2,606 miles ENE of Paradise, CA]) | | Posted: Jul 30, 2008 - 05:57 | |
veedubcrew wrote:
Grrrrr.... if I wanted to hear this song (yeah right) I'd turn on my local classic rock station. Thanks to Citadel, this song can be had 4 times daily, 365 days a year. C'mon RP, we listen to avoid this sort of hogwash.
You know, some songs played on commercial radio actually _are_ good. Just because the masses like it doesn't mean it's not quality. |
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redeyespy (Clandestined in the bamboo thicket.) | | Posted: Jul 01, 2008 - 20:05 | |
Zep wrote:I was into Mitch Miller and Sesame Street before I heard Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane. While Mitch might be uncool, I definitely won't look back.
:puke:
Well, I too discovered Monk, Trane, Dolphy, and too many others to mention along the way. Nowadays, I can appreciate them and the occasional revisit into Rush territory as well. I never thought I would look back, either, but, at this late date I feel there is room for a lot more than I thought. |
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Zep (Land of 1000 dunces) | | Posted: Feb 08, 2008 - 12:41 | |
redeyespy wrote:I was very much into this band during elementary school through college, then previous discoveries of other, different sounding bands (ala The Replacements et al.) caused me to lose interest. I became one of those snobs who deemed them "uncool."
Re-listening to the old albums (up through Presto, at least) confirms that they were/are consummate pros, true musicians. Their sound just has some sort of emotional resonance for me.
I was into Mitch Miller and Sesame Street before I heard Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane. While Mitch might be uncool, I definitely won't look back.
:puke:
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Jimmy86 (CA) | | Posted: May 26, 2007 - 15:47 | |
newwavegurly wrote:
Yeah... this, and 3 Doors Down and Blue Oyster Cult all within the same music block.
I feel like someone hijacked my favorite internet radio station today.

Every heard of a segue? Sometimes a couple of songs within the same genre back-to-back is not always right, but mandatory! |
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