By the way, who's flirting here?

hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
That is just the funniest thing I have read in the last...say..10 minutes there Kassie!!

Sorry to disapoint you but my 'long winded drivel' was a C&P from rgj13 that I picked up on RP under 'pretentious tosser wordsmiths'...!!!!...I did explain on my next post....

Just soooooo funny.....what do I say?....Idlewild is 'good'?....just buy The remote Part CD and listen.....nothing like the Beatles/Dylan that they all worship here...

hahahahaha...still laughing!!

I am not a Cockney if that makes you feel any better!!...ha ha!!

rgj13 wrote:

Absolutely not joe!! Oh, my, I cannot stop laughing!! Thanks for the entertainment, you guys!

Kassieopea wrote:
Following the AMG link from this comments board will fill you in pretty well, they're Scottish. (And I personally think this song is about those English who have been infected, as it were, but the gentrified values of capitalism and individualism usually ascribed to Americans. It does not, after all, appear to be about language, but more about a kind of cultural narcissism.)

And by the bye, the exceedingly long post below is mine, not joe1's--he (rather ineptly) c&p'd it from a forum elsewhere on this site. I'd apologize for its clogging up this particular board, but I didn't put it here.

Oh my!!!

joe1, well, wow.... for the record, I don't much like this, and there's some promo CD in our lunchroom that's been neglected ... Idlewild ... maybe I'll steal it for ya... wait... must read.

I happened to be listening to RP when I heard this song that I had heard before by Idlewild, "American English". I had previously looked them up in iTunes music store, but the Idlewild there sounds nothing like this presumably English group. When I went to the comments section to see if I could sort out who this band was, I read the long-winded drivel of "joe1". I am a "true Yank", (I hail from Pennsylvania) and am aware that anyone south of the Mason/Dixon line doesn't appreciate being lumped together w/ Yanks, and vice versa.
Anyway, I appreciate reading everyones' comments on bands because it helps determine what is worth purchasing. Does anyone know about this other band from iTunes?
As for the drivel from the Cockney (yes, Americans can stereotype, too), save it for the regular email, joe1. Some of us are actually interested in the music, rather than hearing ourselves blab on endlessly about stuff that obviously has nothing to do w/ the music. And yes, I am an American that loves many English bands, as well as American bands, etc.
Anyone with me on this?

joe1 wrote:
Better a cunning linguist, I suppose, than a blowhard.

Pardon?
Still a great record that you just don't get as you are too busy being a cunning linguist!!

joe1 wrote:
Well, I confess I have some difficulty confining articulable thoughts to the sort of opaque, even asyntactic word salads for which you have such a singular gift, and I concede that I can only aspire to be as thoughtful a steward of the Queen's English as you prove yourself to be time and time again.

oh...that is 'rgj13' below that I C&P'd by the way!!

Hillarious!....absolute Turnip talk there!!....hahahahahaha.....

So?...are you qualified to sprout about music?......

I'm really sorry but anyone that takes the time to type the following really is a Geek and talks up his/her own ar&e!...(I haven't read it by the way!!...)...The subject, apparently, is 'flirting on RP'!!!

Clearly, this is a subject about which many posters have strong feelings and equally strong opinions. For me, communication is a good and worthy goal regardless of the subject, but especially when the subject provokes such diverse and often thoughtful contributions. But communication is often hard and, when it's most important, often messy. To me, that is exactly not the time to try to halt it artificially, because such a halt will always be premature.

I want to say three things, and, because RP and its community are important to me, because I take the broad issues at stake in this forum pretty seriously, and because I'm not generally very prone to concision, I can't say them briefly.

First, I want to say that I'm sorry if I personally have offended anyone. I'm quite sure that I have engaged in as much--and often, surely more--flirtatious and even, more rarely, gratuitously lewd behavior as any other frequent visitor to the main boards since I began visiting them with any regularity earlier this year. I do hope that when someone takes offense (to whatever degree) at something I post they will let me know, candidly and straightforwardly; I cannot say that this means my behavior will change very much, but it's unlikely to change at all if I'm given no sense that some adjustment or other might be worth considering. I think notions like "common sense" or "social ethics" are essentially useful social fictions with fewer consistent adherents that we'd all like to believe, and I believe that outside of institutional contexts in which guidelines or rules are fairly clearly established, implicitly or explicitly, there is no better medium for social self-governance than one person talking with another person.

Second, I want to remark on the sense that the added functionality of the newer version of the site may have contributed to some change in the general atmosphere. I really enjoy and appreciate the ability to begin and continue posting to one forum or another and have gained pleasure and insight from many of the fora to which I haven't felt the need to post. I do think the way the fora allow for whole subjects or threads to be moved off of the main comments section, while terrific, has left that main board primarily a place for shorter and faster social interactions of the sort that, in non-online life, are usually the place where there might be more flirtation than in other contexts. There is, here and there, a forum driven mostly by short posts added over an extended time, which, while not necessarily more substantial, are qualitatively different than the main board, but allow for even more threads and sub-threads (lists of favorite xyz, etc.) to be more often absent than present from the main comments board. In this sense--and I emphasize that this is not a complaint, but just an observation--both more substantive and more thematically confined exchanges seem to me to have been effectively exported from the main comments section to the ever-expanding fora, including (I daresay especially) this one. It also allows for people to be more selective, and to make their thematic or interpersonal affinities more elective; if I don't like the tenor or topic of a given thread, it takes no effort at all to avoid it completely. I think it's great, but it is a pretty significant change that seems to have crept up on many in this community, and change of any kind is sometimes hard to adapt to and sometimes difficult to accept.

Finally, I want to offer my own characterization of this community and the shapes it takes. Other posters have likened it to a family; that analogy works well enough for me, and I would only add to it that no family I have ever known or heard of has not had its moments of conflict, offense, hostility, fierce love, deep-seated resentment, and so forth. So if that seems like a fair analogy, consider the depth of the comparison. For me, a closer comparison is a large party of loosely connected friends, acquaintances, friends of friends, etc. At such parties I've attended, there's always someone who's probably too drunk, someone probably too sober (these are metaphors, mind you), someone who seems stand-offish, someone who's overly chatty, someone who's too shy, someone who's overly flirtatious, someone who's flirting with the wrong people, someone who's flirting a little too much with the right people, someone who's serious, someone who's shallow, someone who's flippant, someone who's verbose, someone who's quick too take offense, someone who's uncivil, someone who's punctilious, someone too invested in their own authority, someone who's joyful, someone who's sad, someone who's lonely, someone who doesn't belong. This place, too me, is very nearly like just that aggregation of people. And to me, that entire list could describe a single person and what states s/he is capable of in different settings and at different times, and how s/he might be perceived by different people in different contexts or at different moments, for any numbers of reasons, none of which or any of which might be credible. For every time one person here may take offense at being flirted with, or at witnessing others' flirting, someone else is just as likely to take offense or at least feel irked at the seriousness or solipsism or sentimentality or politically opinionated nature of the discussions. I think the interactions of human beings in even the smallest of social groups are fundamentally unpredictable and ungovernable. I would not tell anyone to "get over it," if this bothers them; I would only encourage them to get used to it. We're creatures with amazing gifts and terrible weaknesses, capable of remarkable acts of heroism and equally remarkable acts of viciousness, and part of the effort to be one's better self and to empower others to do the same has to include accepting that we are different from one another, but that probably all of us are messy, that we're fragile, that we're resilient, and that, as the produce of evolution or Creation or anything else, as creatures we're nearly ridiculous most of the time--we're intricate and proud and vulnerable animals barely out of the trees and none of that is likely to change very soon.

Infinite hugs,
Ryan

I've just read the whole lot and think that rgj13 takes everyting Sooooo seriously!!!!!!

What a ***!!!!

Shit hot track and rgj13(?) talks bollocks...better than most crap over the pond puts out....
ronny?...shut up please?.....

ronny wrote:
Appreciate the advice, thanks. I mean, if I don't restrain myself, I'll have to start revealing his remarkably loose command of the English langauge, and then we'd just have something else to piss about.

o no, not again that joe guy.Not all europeans call americans ,"yanks".Plz ignore him when he starts insulting people, rgj 13. :)

joe1 wrote:
Yeah, you're probably right--we Yanks don't appreciate good music. I'm sure Brits have the monopoly on taste in that department. Also, I have a tiny mind. Okay. I'm persuaded. Not to mention intimidated--awed, even--by your mammoth intellect and rapier wit.





Did that sound sarcastic?

No problem rgj.....

Just that you Yanks do not appreciate good music..that is all..I've seen 'em live in a very small venue....It will blow your tiny mind if you ever did......
Saw them support Coldplay and I was shouting for the support to come back.....they are THAT good....

Oh...and, Pez...can I please borrow those pants when they are too bored and have to come off?

joe1 wrote:
I dunno. Mostly, I think I have a pretty good ear for sarcasm, and that comment didn't sound sarcastic. Smirky, yes.

However, I'm not a cryptographer, and maybe that's why I had so much trouble understanding what the hell you were talking about in your post.

I like the song. I feel pretty relaxed today. Thanks for your concern.

No, this bores the pants off of me.

Still a great song!!!!!

'13....Do you ever get sarcasm?...MissRollo is saying it is ats it is...
Relax......
GWB is a ****** ...just accept it!!!
Long live Idlewild........

MissRolo wrote:
By all means, let's make this song the impetus for a transatlantic pissing contest. Each country has brought the world more than its fair share of tastelessness, stupidity, inhumanity, and unapologetic brutality. Some people will love the song, some poeple--like me--will think it's okay, and some will dislike it, and none of those perceptions have a lot to do with what you're trying to link them to.

pipes???...Get rid of that crap with the dancing balls...
Idlewild are better than you will ever know......
Sad..............

This song is off a mostly pretty rocking album.

Both Bush and Thatcher are pretty appalling. In some ways Maggie was more dangerous cos she had a brain!

Thank heaven for Brits like Tony Blair! A man among...?
;)

Yes, and you brought us Margaret Thatcher. Calm down, honey, not everyone hates the man.

Morrissey'd still have a career if he sounded more like this guy...

:( :( :???: :???:
Lame is the best word to describe this one!

Oh yeah that's right. Cos American parents never give their kids stupid names!

This song is great and the album's one of my favourites from last year.