Right on Meloman. Have none of these naysayers heard of Jazz? Jazz, Rock  and Pop were derived from Blues but went down different paths. You guys get that, don't you? Joni Mitchell's  fearless growth from "Big Yellow Taxi" through "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" to "Sex Kills" has brought those paths closer together. Perhaps some of you can't appreciate that. So stop gagging and just listen to whatever passes for music to your tin ears. And for those of you still stuck on the Joni of "Ladies of the Canyon", sorry, but if Van Gogh had painted "the Potato Eaters" over and over, he never would have painted "The Starry Night".  

For me, this is about when Joni started to sound like a caricature of herself. She kind of lost me after Hejira. Everything up to and including that album was awesome.

I'm sure I've commented on this song before, but I should say it again: this song sucks! Ugh. I've never used this emoticon, but this song warrants it: :puke:

My ears are bleeding!!!!

I completely agree I loveD Joni especially in her Jaco days!


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Mari wrote:

A compost heap is "completely organic" also. It is also "rich and textured".

Please, somebody, bury this song in the garden.

This is bad. I thought I had tuned it out, but it just came crashing back into my head along with the realization that IT IS STILL PLAYING??

The product of this song's suckage and length is truly astonishing.

lokiwolf wrote:

I resent this!! My brains are not to slow to comprehend modern music. I suspect your brains are too slow to transition into Joni's more experiemental and jazz-oriented phases.

Joni always gets a 10 in my book.

Drink in the work on this LP of the greatest bass player (and inventor of the fretless electric bass when he pulled all the frets out of a Fender and fill the leftover fretboard grooves with epoxy) of all time: Jaco Pastorius.

I think Joni is much better in a band setting, especially with musicians of this caliber.

She sounds to mawkish when it's just by herself onstage.

I prefer this period of hers over her late 60's/early 70s stuff. The "Blue" LP just sounds too solipsistic. I can only take that one in small doses. Don't get me wrong, great voice and all that.
I think the band setting gives a bounce that acts as a counterweight to the heaviness of her songwriting.

Sorry. I actually listened to it this time instead of changing the station................it sucks. Like what the hell is that music supposed to be anyway? Something ahead of it time? Yes. It is so ahead that it still does not sound any good.

She is a song writer, poet and a lounge act. She does not make wonderful music, such as the awesome Waterboys tune that preceded this one.

If one is into listening to poetry with a musical background, then I can see enjoying this, but only if that sick musical sound was faded by half and her voice was boosted.
As someone who has always loved "the sound," Joni has never had it. And on top of it she is a crappy mom who abandoned her child chasing after a groupie career.

Oh, and my age? I am almost as old as Bill. Too much Joni Mitchell was played on AM radio....TOO MUCH!! When FM album radio hit my town, I was ecstatic. I LOVE radio and I hate commercials. Listening to Joni Mitchel is like listening to a commercial.

yes, you are crying out loud
go wipe your tears and crawl back in the crib with your thumb lokiwolf wrote:

Alpine wrote: ... ...

ramble

Joni is not played enough on RP. Please Bill! More Joni!!!

SCJoniguy wrote:
I was thinking this sounded just like Coyote.

Define "more modern music" for me would you?

The voicings and changes she uses in this song are pretty far removed from standard Pop fare of ANY time period.

For crying out loud!
Joni mitchell barfs at the best of times. She may be a song writer and a lounge performer, but for god's sake, not on radioparadise.com

Please please; who are you trying to appeal to; ancient babyboomers with brains too slow to comprehend more modern music?

wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they don't listen to Internet Radio.

Some tasty work by Jaco on this album. Gone too soon. Oh, and Joni's not bad herself.

Seems to me the more challenging any sort of artistic material is, the fewer people appreciate it. How many people (the masses) read poetry, and how many the airport bookshop paperback drivel? Most people seem to want simplicity, certainty, a story that's easy to follow and requires no intellectual effort. So it is with music, too. Jazz, for example, has fewer fans than pop by virtue of its being much more challenging. It's not linear, from A to B with no effort. It may be enigmatic, dissonant, or quirky, so many people shy away. I think Joni is an artist that requires the same sort of acceptance of difficulty as a fine, but enigmatic piece of poetry or jazz, or maybe both together. Definitely not for the masses, but a first class artist in my book.

Bliss!

highwindows wrote:

algrif wrote:

Amen!

jyoull wrote:
It's mystifying to me how you get that this is bitching. It's about struggle, not complaint.

Given the huge listing of better JM tracks in Bill's archives, this one sure gets played a lot.
C'mon Bill. Blow the dust off some others. you know it makes sense

MojoJojo wrote:
Many of Joni's songs mean different things to me at different times. I can't do the feeling about this song justice by explaining it. Overall, I sense it's about the opposing forces operating within us all the time. Getting any more detailed about it would limit the possibilities for your own imagination. I'm not trying to be coy or anything, that's really how I feel about it.

words can't express how completely irritating i find this.

especially the "o say can you see..." part. UGH!

Yeah! Preach to me Joanie, tell me how horrible it all is and how very wise you are. Why, back where I come from, we call this "bitch 'n moan". And I'm pretty liberal!

Yuck. This is just depressing and miserable. She'd have been better off just singing the front page of the NY Times.

Yes, it's monotonous to a degree, but so are things like Steve Reich. That sort of stuff has to go on for a while so you can be immersed in it.