stevieslo
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zoomzip wrote: Highlowsel: "suspicious of given the way Dave Grohl's career subsequent did a proverbial moon shot" - Grohl wrote quite a few songs with Nirvana, which later went on two of his albums, self titled and the colour and the shape. Grohl was very apprehensive to share his music with Kurt. If anything, one could say that Kurt ended so others could succeed. Maybe he felt he was holding everyone else back by being the way he was. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to imply Grohl had anything to do with Kurt's death is silly.
there's an ongoing joke I've heard many times on this point... Q - "what were the last words spoken by all Nirvana drummers before Dave Grohl?" A - "Hey, I've got an idea for a song!" |
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ScottFromWyoming (Powell) | | Posted: Apr 30, 2013 - 23:09 | |
zoomzip wrote: Highlowsel: "suspicious of given the way Dave Grohl's career subsequent did a proverbial moon shot" - Grohl wrote quite a few songs with Nirvana, which later went on two of his albums, self titled and the colour and the shape. Grohl was very apprehensive to share his music with Kurt. If anything, one could say that Kurt ended so others could succeed. Maybe he felt he was holding everyone else back by being the way he was. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to imply Grohl had anything to do with Kurt's death is silly.
He didn't imply that at all. I read it as Kurt wasn't as much an artist as people gave him credit for, and once freed from Kurt's control, Dave had even greater success. Which is to say, he said what you said. Altho saying Foo Fighters are more successful than Nirvana... Hmm well Bleach sold about as well as any Foo Fighters album, In Utero sold about as well as the entire Foo Fighters catalog. And then there's Nevermind... |
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zoomzip (north of the 45th) | | Posted: Apr 20, 2013 - 09:58 | |
Highlowsel wrote: Rdo: Hmmmm...."....he didn't seem to be an addict.": You're kidding me, right? All indications from people who knew him were that he was a heroin addict and prone to depression. Cobain's cousin, a nurse, claimed Cobain was diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder as a child, and bipolar disorder as an adult. You combine the latter aspect (bipolar) with his heroin addiction PLUS depression (and depression in and of itself is no joke to anyone who's experienced it) and he must have been veritable metabolic time-bomb waiting to go off. Then you take that, combine it with his family history....one of suicide,mental illness and alcoholism; with two male relatives having committed suicide with guns...and you get what you got. The man was unstable, despite his purported artistry, which I've always been suspicious of given the way Dave Grohl's career subsequent did a proverbial moon shot. In any case I do agree he took himself out of the game waaay too soon. When young it's seldom realized that life is a marathon and not a sprint....
So it goes.
Highlow American Net'Zen
Highlowsel: "suspicious of given the way Dave Grohl's career subsequent did a proverbial moon shot" - Grohl wrote quite a few songs with Nirvana, which later went on two of his albums, self titled and the colour and the shape. Grohl was very apprehensive to share his music with Kurt. If anything, one could say that Kurt ended so others could succeed. Maybe he felt he was holding everyone else back by being the way he was. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to imply Grohl had anything to do with Kurt's death is silly. |
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heberman (Utah Desert) | | Posted: Mar 12, 2013 - 17:22 | |
Unfortunately, I first think of the Weird Al version of this song when I first hear it.
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rdo (DC) | | Posted: Mar 01, 2013 - 20:19 | |
Good post my man. I'll have to look more into it.  |
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Highlowsel (New York City) | | Posted: Feb 27, 2013 - 09:07 | |
rdo wrote:Cobain's death has always been somewhat of a puzzle for me. He was not murdered, there is no doubt about that. He committed suicide, But why? In his suicide note he quoted Neil Young - "Better to burn out than to fade away." Neil Young contacted Cobain's wife, Courtney Love, right after and expressed his dismay at how his lyrics had been misconstrued in such a tragic way. Cobain was at the height of his creative powers, and although he abused drugs, he did not seem to be an addict. I do not think drugs had anything to do with his death. I do not think it was a cheap ploy at posthumous fame. Kurt had a very peculiar interest in fame, like all bohemian artists. He hated fame on the one hand, but he strived for it on the other. It seems completely implausible that his motive was fame. Then, there is depression. There is no evidence he was depressed. He was moody, and was prone to bouts of anti-social behavior, where he wanted to be away from the crowd. I don't see anything unusual in that for anyone normal, much less a genius artist. My theory leads me to what Sartre called "angst". You can read about this in his Being and Nothingness, probably the greatest philosophical work ever. I think Kurt was so overwhelmed by the possibilities before him that it became too much. Think of Munch's painting "The Scream". I just think he stood at the summit of incredible possibilities and it was just too weird to handle. Rdo: Hmmmm...."....he didn't seem to be an addict.": You're kidding me, right? All indications from people who knew him were that he was a heroin addict and prone to depression. Cobain's cousin, a nurse, claimed Cobain was diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder as a child, and bipolar disorder as an adult. You combine the latter aspect (bipolar) with his heroin addiction PLUS depression (and depression in and of itself is no joke to anyone who's experienced it) and he must have been veritable metabolic time-bomb waiting to go off. Then you take that, combine it with his family history....one of suicide,mental illness and alcoholism; with two male relatives having committed suicide with guns...and you get what you got. The man was unstable, despite his purported artistry, which I've always been suspicious of given the way Dave Grohl's career subsequent did a proverbial moon shot. In any case I do agree he took himself out of the game waaay too soon. When young it's seldom realized that life is a marathon and not a sprint.... So it goes. Highlow American Net'Zen |
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winotron (Phoenix, AZ) | | Posted: Feb 27, 2013 - 08:56 | |
BLADERUNNER wrote:Most overrated, overplayed band in music history? Nope, not even close. |
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gillespp (Portland, OR) | | Posted: Feb 27, 2013 - 08:54 | |
I love the Patti Smith version of this song. You can actually understand the lyrics!
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BLADERUNNER (Port City on the Cape Fear) | | Posted: Feb 27, 2013 - 08:53 | |
Most overrated, overplayed band in music history?
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rdo (DC) | | Posted: Jan 27, 2013 - 06:46 | |
Cobain's death has always been somewhat of a puzzle for me. He was not murdered, there is no doubt about that. He committed suicide, But why? In his suicide note he quoted Neil Young - "Better to burn out than to fade away." Neil Young contacted Cobain's wife, Courtney Love, right after and expressed his dismay at how his lyrics had been misconstrued in such a tragic way. Cobain was at the height of his creative powers, and although he abused drugs, he did not seem to be an addict. I do not think drugs had anything to do with his death. I do not think it was a cheap ploy at posthumous fame. Kurt had a very peculiar interest in fame, like all bohemian artists. He hated fame on the one hand, but he strived for it on the other. It seems completely implausible that his motive was fame. Then, there is depression. There is no evidence he was depressed. He was moody, and was prone to bouts of anti-social behavior, where he wanted to be away from the crowd. I don't see anything unusual in that for anyone normal, much less a genius artist. My theory leads me to what Sartre called "angst". You can read about this in his Being and Nothingness, probably the greatest philosophical work ever. I think Kurt was so overwhelmed by the possibilities before him that it became too much. Think of Munch's painting "The Scream". I just think he stood at the summit of incredible possibilities and it was just too weird to handle.
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Tippster (Washington, DC) | | Posted: Dec 26, 2012 - 17:22 | |
IMHO Dave Grohl's drumming is what makes raises this song (and the album) above the other songs of the time.
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KevinM (Long Beach, Ca) | | Posted: Dec 26, 2012 - 17:21 | |
Well, we don't sound like Madonna Here we are now, we're Nirvana Sing distinctly? We don't wanna Buy our album, we're Nirvana A garage band from Seattle Well it sure beats raisin' cattle Yeah!
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gjeeg (Syracuse, New York) | | Posted: Dec 08, 2012 - 15:35 | |
AGH! An albino! I'm sorry you feel stupid!
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Jamunca (Asheville, NC) | | Posted: Nov 25, 2012 - 09:06 | |
ScottishWillie wrote:I have, with reluctance, had to ban this song in our house as my 16 year old has discovered Nirvana and is playing this again and again and again. Its just a stage he is going through so I’ve introduced him to Pearl Jam and The Smashing Pumpkins. Any suggestions of other bands I can use to wean him off his Nirvana addiction? I second the Soundgarden and Alice in Chains suggestion. Is it just that your son ONLY plays this song or does he dive into the whole Nirvana catalog? If it's only this song, then see if he goes for other Cobain stuff like Bleach. |
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lemmoth (NYC) | | Posted: Nov 14, 2012 - 12:39 | |
joelbb wrote: Interesting comment. I'm an old geezer. Nirvana is waaaay out of my personal musical mainstream. But even in my geezerhood it's obvious that Nirvana was something special and "Teen Spirit" is a seminal piece. Oh yeah, and that Pearl Jam are soft core imitators of the real deal that was Nirvana. Chiming in as another geezer who is a massive Pearl Jam fan - traveled 1200 miles for their 20th anniversary concert weekend - who also thinks that Nirvana were the most IMPORTANT rock band of the 1990s. You are way off and so is the PJ fan you responded to. They are both amazing acts in very differnt ways. 1 great gifted songwriter vs 4 very talented writers. 1 great - yet understated guitarist (plus Pat Smear at the end) vs a powerhouse 2 and then 3 (with Ed) guitar attack Rock's 2 best drummers of the last 20 years in Dave and Matt Both borrowed or stole from the best - Beatles, Punk, Pixies, Metal and a little Bowie for Kurt & Co - Punk, Who, Sprinsteen, the Who, some metal, Kiss (oops mistake) and 80's indie forefathers for PJ Unfortunately Nirvana's run was short and PJs has been very long - and sustained by a devoted fanbase and those 4 very good writers. But you can't deny Sandy Koufax the Hall of Fame just because he didn't have the long career of Warren Spahn. - see I am a geezer. |
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shellbella (so california) | | Posted: Nov 14, 2012 - 12:04 | |
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shellbella (so california) | | Posted: Nov 14, 2012 - 12:04 | |
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RedGuitar (Iowa, USA) | | Posted: Nov 07, 2012 - 07:11 | |
ScottishWillie wrote:I have, with reluctance, had to ban this song in our house as my 16 year old has discovered Nirvana and is playing this again and again and again. Its just a stage he is going through so I’ve introduced him to Pearl Jam and The Smashing Pumpkins. Any suggestions of other bands I can use to wean him off his Nirvana addiction? Of that era - Soundgarden ( who has a new album out soon), Alice in Chains, anything on the SubPop label. In general - Hendrix, the Stones, the Beatles, Pink Floyd, the Animals, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Rush, Neil Young, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, etc. That will do for a start. |
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Kanuffen (Trelleborg, Sverige) | | Posted: Nov 07, 2012 - 07:02 | |
SOLID GOLD ! ! SOLID GOLD ! !
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gutthawk (Stratford, Ontario, Canada) | | Posted: Nov 07, 2012 - 07:00 | |
joelbb wrote: Interesting comment. I'm an old geezer. Nirvana is waaaay out of my personal musical mainstream. But even in my geezerhood it's obvious that Nirvana was something special and "Teen Spirit" is a seminal piece. Oh yeah, and that Pearl Jam are soft core imitators of the real deal that was Nirvana. Lets not argue folks... Both are awesome! At least in the opinion of this geezer.... :-) |
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ScottishWillie (The Scottish Lowlands) | | Posted: Nov 07, 2012 - 07:00 | |
I have, with reluctance, had to ban this song in our house as my 16 year old has discovered Nirvana and is playing this again and again and again. Its just a stage he is going through so I’ve introduced him to Pearl Jam and The Smashing Pumpkins. Any suggestions of other bands I can use to wean him off his Nirvana addiction? |
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joelbb
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rockpommel16 wrote:.most overrated band of the century.....solid 3 from a pearl jam-fan.... Interesting comment. I'm an old geezer. Nirvana is waaaay out of my personal musical mainstream. But even in my geezerhood it's obvious that Nirvana was something special and "Teen Spirit" is a seminal piece. Oh yeah, and that Pearl Jam are soft core imitators of the real deal that was Nirvana. |
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rockpommel16 (rockpommel´s land...dreaming of netherlands) | | Posted: Sep 12, 2012 - 14:20 | |
.most overrated band of the century.....solid 3 from a pearl jam-fan....
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chelsiaann (Helena, Montucky) | | Posted: Sep 12, 2012 - 14:19 | |
Nirvana's legendary status continues to grow. This last weekend, my partner and I had a long conversation about their impact on my teenaged life and the 90s in general. There wasn't enough Marlboro Reds for me to smoke at age 14 and 15. I missed them by one show. The next month he was dead. Such regret.
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shellbella (so california) | | Posted: Sep 12, 2012 - 14:16 | |
fredriley wrote: Wow, I never went to parties like that when I was younger!  I threw the parties like that when I as younger |
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ScottishWillie (The Scottish Lowlands) | | Posted: Sep 05, 2012 - 08:33 | |
This song is like the hum from the refrigerator in my house just now. Its audible 24/7. Oh the joys of having teenage boys. |
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Carl (The Summit City) | | Posted: Sep 05, 2012 - 08:33 | |
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lemmoth (NYC) | | Posted: Sep 05, 2012 - 08:33 | |
Groundbreaking. Earthshattering. Industry shifting. And a damned good rock and roll song. 10
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Proclivities (Carrboro, NC) | | Posted: Sep 05, 2012 - 08:32 | |
krillkrill wrote:Do we really need this song? Or am I missing something..  As much as we need any other song, I suppose. |
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shellbella (so california) | | Posted: Sep 05, 2012 - 08:29 | |
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