TerryS
(Another SW) | | Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 21:53 | |
fredriley wrote: DriftingDave wrote:Hateful? Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word, i was just airing my disgust for the vulgar and ignorant lyrics; not surprisingly your comment is in the same spirit. Sinead is comparing an accident during a police chase to the massacre on Tiananmen and that the death of the boy was more or less ordered by Thatcher, Even IF this is meant more as a symbolic picture to depict England during that time, she still equals Thatcher to the dictatorship of the communist party in China.
No, she compares the methods of the authoritarian and violent Thatcher regime to that of the Chinese totalitarian State which Thatcher so condemned at the time. The hypocrisy of Thatcher condemning the Tianenmen repression whilst her State killed folk on UK streets was plain then, and is still plain. Similarly her praising of the Polish trade unionists whilst actively carrying out a class war against UK trades unions, a war that still resonates today. I remember the 80s well, bitterly and angrily. The Thatcher regime was highly destructive and corrupt, and she personally has the blood of over 3000 men on her hands from the Falklands/Malvinas War. Yes, many in the UK, mainly in the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois, supported her as she was a warrior for her class, and a successful one (albeit with very substantial US backing which she couldn't have done without), and they mourn her passing. I for one will be celebrating on the streets when she finally croaks, and major parts of the UK, especially ex-mining areas in Yorkshire, Wales, Northumbria and Scotland will be doing the same. My mother shuddered every time anyone mentioned Thatcher. |
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vzmax
(Vienna) | | Posted: Nov 24, 2011 - 10:36 | |
What a depressing song... thank you for having ruined my dinner  |
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fredriley
(Nottingham, UK) | | Posted: Sep 22, 2011 - 04:24 | |
DriftingDave wrote:Hateful? Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word, i was just airing my disgust for the vulgar and ignorant lyrics; not surprisingly your comment is in the same spirit. Sinead is comparing an accident during a police chase to the massacre on Tiananmen and that the death of the boy was more or less ordered by Thatcher, Even IF this is meant more as a symbolic picture to depict England during that time, she still equals Thatcher to the dictatorship of the communist party in China.
No, she compares the methods of the authoritarian and violent Thatcher regime to that of the Chinese totalitarian State which Thatcher so condemned at the time. The hypocrisy of Thatcher condemning the Tianenmen repression whilst her State killed folk on UK streets was plain then, and is still plain. Similarly her praising of the Polish trade unionists whilst actively carrying out a class war against UK trades unions, a war that still resonates today. I remember the 80s well, bitterly and angrily. The Thatcher regime was highly destructive and corrupt, and she personally has the blood of over 3000 men on her hands from the Falklands/Malvinas War. Yes, many in the UK, mainly in the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois, supported her as she was a warrior for her class, and a successful one (albeit with very substantial US backing which she couldn't have done without), and they mourn her passing. I for one will be celebrating on the streets when she finally croaks, and major parts of the UK, especially ex-mining areas in Yorkshire, Wales, Northumbria and Scotland will be doing the same. |
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Foot
(NorCal / Wine) | | Posted: Aug 21, 2011 - 19:25 | |
So good, at the time I thought Sinead would be easily, as big as say, Madonna. She may not be as rich be is equally as talented.
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(former member)
(hotel in Las Vegas) | | Posted: Aug 05, 2011 - 21:40 | |
I remember this profound song... love it...
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DriftingDave
(Sweden) | | Posted: Jul 08, 2011 - 15:18 | |
bluedot wrote:
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
Hateful? Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word, i was just airing my disgust for the vulgar and ignorant lyrics; not surprisingly your comment is in the same spirit. Sinead is comparing an accident during a police chase to the massacre on Tiananmen and that the death of the boy was more or less ordered by Thatcher, Even IF this is meant more as a symbolic picture to depict England during that time, she still equals Thatcher to the dictatorship of the communist party in China. It seems to me that your understanding of democracy isn't that solid. Furthermore; many people see Thatcher as the person who saved England in a time of economic downspiral and globally as the person who stood up for market economy and liberal democracy in a time when the so called second and third world was plagued by marxist-leninism, happily cheered on by (pseudo-)intellectuals in the west. One may have a different view than e.g. Thatcher on how a society should be organized but comparing an at the time democratic right-wing / conservative England to the world's biggest dictatorship, historically among the best in class on genocide, shows that, without a doubt, you are the ignorant here. |
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gatorade
(Peninsuland) | | Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 18:29 | |
Stand up strong. And that is exactly what she does. Women are being arrested in Saudi Arabia for driving cars for goodness sake. The world can be a fucked up place. Her voice and songs are powerful reminders of that.
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johnjconn
(chicago land) | | Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 18:29 | |
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tmc9902
(Annapolis, MD) | | Posted: Jun 03, 2011 - 21:12 | |
Sinead O'Connor, in this RP listener's opinion, has one of the best chick voices ever to be heard! Rock on Mandinka!
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fredriley
(Nottingham, UK) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 07:37 | |
bobringer wrote:
Ah the tolerant left...
Seems the left in America is about as tolerant as well you'll be happy to hear.
You plainly don't understand UK recent history at all. The Thatcher regime carried out an active class war (sorry, "took on union might") and an active shooting war (Falklands/Malvinas). The former destroyed hundreds of working-class communities and caused immense social dislocation and poverty, the effects of which are still very evident in UK society and economy today; the latter cost the lives of over 2000 men and one woman. I know something about post-war US history so perhaps an equivalent hate figure from your past might be Nixon (with the blood of Cambodians and Vietnamese on his and Kissinger's hands), or maybe Herbert Hoover, your very own Lavrentii Beria. Or, as you're a rightist, perhaps the first Kennedy or even Slick Willy Clinton. Tolerance does not apply to those with blood and social destruction on their hands. Hence yesterday's justified celebration in your parts over Bin Laden's killing. Thatcher was an avowed enemy of the UK working class, and there will be dancing on the streets when she eventually kicks the bucket. |
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Cynaera
(South of Neanderthal) | | Posted: Apr 17, 2011 - 14:21 | |
MannAudioltd wrote:Stunning!
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
Pretty harsh, but I'm a dork and don't really understand the whole world-politics concept. Here are some lyrics: Margaret Thatcher on TV Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing It seems strange that she should be offended The same orders are given by her I've said this before now
You said I was childish and you'll say it now
"Remember what I told you
If they hated me they will hate you" England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill black boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
Any such thing as grieving Young mother down at Smithfield
5 am, looking for food for her kids
In her arms she holds three cold babies
And the first word that they learned was "please" These are dangerous days
To say what you feel is to dig your own grave
"Remember what I told you
If you were of the world they would love you" England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill blacks boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
Any such thing as grieving. I have to say that I admire Ms. O'Connor for her candor, perception, and bravery in speaking out against injustice. I wish we had more people like her here in the U.S. Perhaps then this once-great country wouldn't be in the apathetic, complacent, uncaring state in which it currently wallows. I'm looking into moving to Denmark. |
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bobringer
(Wayne, NJ) | | Posted: Apr 17, 2011 - 14:20 | |
bluedot wrote:
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant than calling leftist lyrics disgusting? See the post two above yours for an example. |
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bobringer
(Wayne, NJ) | | Posted: Apr 17, 2011 - 14:16 | |
MannAudioltd wrote:Stunning!
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead Ah the tolerant left... Seems the left in America is about as tolerant as well you'll be happy to hear. |
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MannAudioltd
(Worcester England) | | Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 03:08 | |
Stunning!
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
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ajudd
(Los Angeles, CA) | | Posted: Jan 28, 2011 - 22:27 | |
I wish I could give this song a 12.
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bluedot
(Long Beach, CA) | | Posted: Jan 28, 2011 - 22:27 | |
DriftingDave wrote:A beautiful song but the vulgar leftist lyrics are just disgusting.
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH! |
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DriftingDave
(Sweden) | | Posted: Jan 13, 2011 - 11:54 | |
A beautiful song but the vulgar leftist lyrics are just disgusting.
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lemmoth
(NYC) | | Posted: Dec 28, 2010 - 14:39 | |
From a distance, but I can easily recall my feelings at the time as I read the news, I am with jools and fredriley on this one, and with Mr. MacManus who wrote: Tramp The Dirt DownI saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain She spills with compassion, as that young child's face in her hands she grips Can you imagine all that greed and avarice coming down on that child's lips Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the Lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down When England was the whore of the world
Margeret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
all she thought of was betrayal And now the cynical ones say that it all ends
the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just
squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and
dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between
justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful
discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up
for punishment
And then expect you to say "Thank you"
straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you
haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
filled up with dreams then poured down
the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being
blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down |
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Shesdifferent
(Just visiting this planet this is not my home) | | Posted: Dec 28, 2010 - 14:31 | |
I hate to be a copycat but  This is a superb album. |
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bluecshells
(Texas) | | Posted: Dec 28, 2010 - 14:29 | |
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Hannio
(Austin, TX) | | Posted: Nov 11, 2010 - 05:21 | |
lysisphere wrote:
"Bonehead"? We use that on this side of the pond but it's meaning is not very heavy. Its like saying "blockhead" or "stupid," or if I may try one of yours, "daft." A kid could say it and wouldn't get slapped. I'll bear in mind if I find myself in England or Canada to watch my mouth with that one.
Umm, I don't think "bonehead" was the very naughty word. Read Fred's most recent post. |
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EricLee31
(Los Angeles, CA) | | Posted: Sep 24, 2010 - 13:47 | |
right after "Falling"?
hehe I see what you did there.
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johnjconn
(chicago land) | | Posted: Sep 24, 2010 - 13:38 | |
Now that's one pissed off bald girl! |
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lysisphere
(largest contiguous ponderosa forest) | | Posted: Jul 22, 2010 - 14:56 | |
jools wrote:
... your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
"Bonehead"? We use that on this side of the pond but it's meaning is not very heavy. Its like saying "blockhead" or "stupid," or if I may try one of yours, "daft." A kid could say it and wouldn't get slapped. I'll bear in mind if I find myself in England or Canada to watch my mouth with that one. |
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twitterpated
| | Posted: Jul 22, 2010 - 14:32 | |
jools wrote:
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Certainly we use it. In my book, it is the lowest word one can use to describe a woman - or a man, I suppose. I reserve such a phrase for those most dispicable. Interestingly, Thatcher's name kind of evokes an image relative to that naughty word so it's no stretch to apply it to her under any circumstances, provocative or not. |
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Stefen
(West Hollywood, CA) | | Posted: Jun 20, 2010 - 17:10 | |
Until reading the multiple posts on RP from Brits, I did not know that the 1980s were such a ragged time in England.
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nerakdon
(Colorado) | | Posted: Jun 20, 2010 - 17:08 | |
I sang this song at a recital when I was a kid. I was a weird kid. c_c
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calypsus_1
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Ag3nt0rang3
(Canada) | | Posted: May 04, 2010 - 07:05 | |
jools wrote:
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Oh it's a Very Naughty Word here too, one of the naughtiest in fact. Appropriate though, in this case. |
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jools
(Brighton UK) | | Posted: Mar 17, 2010 - 13:40 | |
fredriley wrote:
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand... |
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