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Artist:The Kinks [ more ]
Song:Celluloid Heroes
Album:Ultimate Collection [ info ]
Released:1990
Last Played:May 18, 2013 - 22:05
Avg. Rating:6.8  (Total Ratings: 1025)
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1 votes: 51 (5%)2 votes: 58 (5.7%)3 votes: 50 (4.9%)4 votes: 26 (2.5%)5 votes: 59 (5.8%)6 votes: 74 (7.2%)7 votes: 193 (19%)8 votes: 298 (29%)9 votes: 133 (13%)10 votes: 83 (8.1%)
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kaviksdad
(Mission Control...)
Posted: May 02, 2013 - 14:25 

 Sasha2001 wrote:





If this song were written about the movie stars of today I would totally agree with your statement. But mr. Davies is referencing an era when the cinema inhabited a space far more influential and mythic. Movie stars of the 30s and 40s literally were heroes in the way they lifted the spirits of Americans and Europeans suffering through the Great Depression and the horrors of World War II. Many of them actually donated their talents to produce war fims for the U.S. government. Later, many of these same icons would be called before the House Comittee on UnAmerican Activities where their patriotism would be called into question by the demagogic senator from Wisconsin, Joseph McCarthy.

In the 1950s and 60s European and then American intellectuals wrote about American cinema as a great art form worthy of it's own kind of criticism. Their writings no doubt influenced war babies like Mr. Davies to think about popular entertainment in a new and exciting way.

It's from this context that mr. Davies offers his ballad to the cinema icons of his recent past. For many English war babies, American culture was a great respite from the often abusive treatment they received from an older generation that fought during the war and most likely suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. Pete Townsend has talked and written about this, and I think if you look closely at the work of most of the great British songwriters of this time, you'll find similar themes of longing and escape.

But In my humble opinion Ray Davies was one of the best at encapsulating a spirit of British repression, escape, and release. For a young boy looking to drown out the sad realities of post war England where are you going to go? To the movie theater or the dance hall. And once you get there the performers take on a mythic, almost heroic status.
 

Yes, this is spot on. I couldn't have said it better myself, and doubt anyone else could as well.

To me, this song, and the album it originally came from, is The Kinks crowning achievement.
Sweet_Virginia
Posted: May 02, 2013 - 14:20 

 Sasha2001 wrote:





If this song were written about the movie stars of today I would totally agree with your statement. But mr. Davies is referencing an era when the cinema inhabited a space far more influential and mythic. Movie stars of the 30s and 40s literally were heroes in the way they lifted the spirits of Americans and Europeans suffering through the Great Depression and the horrors of World War II. Many of them actually donated their talents to produce war fims for the U.S. government. Later, many of these same icons would be called before the House Comittee on UnAmerican Activities where their patriotism would be called into question by the demagogic senator from Wisconsin, Joseph McCarthy.

In the 1950s and 60s European and then American intellectuals wrote about American cinema as a great art form worthy of it's own kind of criticism. Their writings no doubt influenced war babies like Mr. Davies to think about popular entertainment in a new and exciting way.

It's from this context that mr. Davies offers his ballad to the cinema icons of his recent past. For many English war babies, American culture was a great respite from the often abusive treatment they received from an older generation that fought during the war and most likely suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. Pete Townsend has talked and written about this, and I think if you look closely at the work of most of the great British songwriters of this time, you'll find similar themes of longing and escape.

But In my humble opinion Ray Davies was one of the best at encapsulating a spirit of British repression, escape, and release. For a young boy looking to drown out the sad realities of post war England where are you going to go? To the movie theater or the dance hall. And once you get there the performers take on a mythic, almost heroic status.
 
This is a fabulous, insightful response. One of the reasons I love this station (as well as the great music).
docblume
(Germany)
Posted: Mar 17, 2013 - 03:42 

thx for this great song.
ambrebalte
(Beijing most of the time - Wolxheim in France now)
Posted: Jan 13, 2013 - 10:57 

 Sasha2001 wrote:



If this song were written about the movie stars of today I would totally agree with your statement. But mr. Davies is referencing an era when the cinema inhabited a space far more influential and mythic. Movie stars of the 30s and 40s literally were heroes in the way they lifted the spirits of Americans and Europeans suffering through the Great Depression and the horrors of World War II. Many of them actually donated their talents to produce war fims for the U.S. government. Later, many of these same icons would be called before the House Comittee on UnAmerican Activities where their patriotism would be called into question by the demagogic senator from Wisconsin, Joseph McCarthy. (...)
 
Thank you for your insight, nicely written. Couldn't agree more.


Sasha2001
(The business end of Bloomberg's education machine.)
Posted: Oct 26, 2012 - 16:20 

 rubenbeagle wrote:
Oh Pul-eeeeze.  I enjoy a good movie as well as the next guy, but our culture's obsession with the actors and actresses is a bit much....
 




If this song were written about the movie stars of today I would totally agree with your statement. But mr. Davies is referencing an era when the cinema inhabited a space far more influential and mythic. Movie stars of the 30s and 40s literally were heroes in the way they lifted the spirits of Americans and Europeans suffering through the Great Depression and the horrors of World War II. Many of them actually donated their talents to produce war fims for the U.S. government. Later, many of these same icons would be called before the House Comittee on UnAmerican Activities where their patriotism would be called into question by the demagogic senator from Wisconsin, Joseph McCarthy.

In the 1950s and 60s European and then American intellectuals wrote about American cinema as a great art form worthy of it's own kind of criticism. Their writings no doubt influenced war babies like Mr. Davies to think about popular entertainment in a new and exciting way.

It's from this context that mr. Davies offers his ballad to the cinema icons of his recent past. For many English war babies, American culture was a great respite from the often abusive treatment they received from an older generation that fought during the war and most likely suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. Pete Townsend has talked and written about this, and I think if you look closely at the work of most of the great British songwriters of this time, you'll find similar themes of longing and escape.

But In my humble opinion Ray Davies was one of the best at encapsulating a spirit of British repression, escape, and release. For a young boy looking to drown out the sad realities of post war England where are you going to go? To the movie theater or the dance hall. And once you get there the performers take on a mythic, almost heroic status.
Phlegmaticman
(270 miles south of Paradise, CA)
Posted: Oct 26, 2012 - 15:09 

The Kinks can make me feel wistful.
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 08:24 

 rubenbeagle wrote:
Oh Pul-eeeeze.  I enjoy a good movie as well as the next guy, but our culture's obsession with the actors and actresses is a bit much....
 
I don't disagree, but movies have also been agents of change. 'I was a Fugitive from a Chain Gang' exposed the abuses of the chain gang prisons and led to reforms (several scenes in 'Cool Hand Luke' are practically shot-for-shot remakes). 'The Snake Pit', among others, led to reforms in mental institutions.

Hedy Lamar (sp?) made breakthroughs in communication technology that are still used today. Many stars served in WW II, and not just in promo pieces either. Jimmy Stewart flew a B-24, for example.

Movies have the opportunity to reveal the best, and the worst, of human behavior. For every 'Inherit the Wind' there are a dozen 'Booty Call's.
h8rhater
Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 08:21 

 Cynaera wrote:
When I first heard this song, I took it very literally.  Now, hearing it again with a lot more sense and cynicism, it's even more pertinent.  It's good - like settling into a well-worn chair with an old friend and feeling comfortable enough to say anything without fear of repercussion.

Love this song. Always.
 
Old friends will be missed.
max_p
Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 08:19 

 smartn1 wrote:
Blah tune and worse lyrics
 
at least one can recognize these rock lyrics.
thubeav
(Decatur, GA)
Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 08:17 

Priceless. Not talking about them talking about yourself.  In a class with Cortez the Killer and The Rain Song.
smartn1
Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 08:17 

Blah tune and worse lyrics
dougmbrown
(Denver)
Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 08:15 

Thank you for adding this smile to my work day. Perhaps my favorite Kinks song of all time.
rubenbeagle
(Deep in the heart of Illinois)
Posted: Sep 09, 2012 - 18:59 

Oh Pul-eeeeze.  I enjoy a good movie as well as the next guy, but our culture's obsession with the actors and actresses is a bit much....
4merdj
(donde el viento se devuelve)
Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 15:35 

Simply ... beautiful ... Happy B-Day, my friend!! {#Cheers}
jbunniii
(San Jose, CA)
Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 15:33 

It's a good song but I don't like this version that much. The live version on the "Come Dancing" compilation is much better.
toterola
(Further)
Posted: Jun 22, 2012 - 18:39 

Love it, always have. One of the best live bands ever to take the stage, back when. {#Cheers}
franta
Posted: May 06, 2012 - 09:54 

 sirdroseph wrote:


No, I change my mind, this one sucks too.
 
{#Cheers}{#Clap}
Bobert_ParkCity
(Park City Utah)
Posted: May 06, 2012 - 09:42 

This song, in this set, is like the rug that really ties the room together.  
Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC)
Posted: Apr 20, 2012 - 05:51 

 sajitjacob wrote:
I never really got the Kinks and this song is nauseatingly reverential. Sorry. {#Confused}
 
wah
ziggytrix
(Dallas, TX)
Posted: Apr 04, 2012 - 16:56 

 sajitjacob wrote:
I never really got the Kinks and this song is nauseatingly reverential. Sorry. {#Confused}
 
I can relate.  First 15 times I heard this song I despised it for the lyrics, but I have to admit, the tune itself is damn catchy if you tune the words out.

2->5 
Bozo
(Steeler Penguin Pirate land)
Posted: Mar 19, 2012 - 12:58 

Ray Davies is a storyteller of the nth degree:  it's a shame that he couldn't reconcile with his brother.  He played Pittsburgh last year with a bunch of young-uns and more than one reviewer called it the concert of the year
sajitjacob
(Christchurch NZ)
Posted: Mar 19, 2012 - 12:54 

I never really got the Kinks and this song is nauseatingly reverential. Sorry. {#Confused}
gemtag
(Texas)
Posted: Feb 16, 2012 - 19:06 

 lemmoth wrote:


Welcome to RP newbie.  Went to check out what your highest and lowest rated songs and realized you were brand new with only a comment on this classic, brilliant, pop rock masterpiece by the underappreciated and brilliant Kinks.

Please listen more and share your views on other tunes played here.
 

{#Clap}
lemmoth
(NYC)
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 - 08:02 

 milleronic wrote:
Please stop playing this godawful song!
 

Welcome to RP newbie.  Went to check out what your highest and lowest rated songs and realized you were brand new with only a comment on this classic, brilliant, pop rock masterpiece by the underappreciated and brilliant Kinks.

Please listen more and share your views on other tunes played here.

cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 - 08:00 

 milleronic wrote:
Please stop playing this godawful song!
  Some of us really like this song. Note the average ranking.

Just sayin'.

milleronic
Posted: Dec 31, 2011 - 13:36 

Please stop playing this godawful song!
treatment_bound
(Duluth to Madison)
Posted: Nov 29, 2011 - 19:48 

 daveesh wrote:
is mickey rooney the only one mentioned that's still alive?
 

yup
linzie
Posted: Nov 29, 2011 - 19:42 

Never a huge Kinks fan, but this one I've always liked-a solid 8
daveesh
(birthplace of the american revolution)
Posted: Nov 29, 2011 - 19:41 

is mickey rooney the only one mentioned that's still alive?
ginger
(Connecticut)
Posted: Sep 11, 2011 - 12:55 

Just have to reiterate my Sucko-Barfo rating for this one. Sorry...I just can't find anything to like about this song.

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