:+:_DL (RVA) | | Posted: Apr 24, 2013 - 09:49 | |
Take this BS back to the 80's. It's sooo bad
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aaronm (Eugene, Oregon) | | Posted: Apr 24, 2013 - 09:48 | |
Hrmm... I feel like if you're going to edit the songs (which I kind of think you should be unwilling to do), they should be done in a much cleaner, less jarring way. Which is probably impossible, so this is a redundant way of wishing you hadn't edited it at all.
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bc (It's everything. Location, Location, Location.) | | Posted: Feb 20, 2013 - 12:05 | |
I see there's a whole debate going on below about censoring songs. But I'd like to know why Bill thought it was necessary since it was his decision. Clearly the artist wasn't throwing it in as a cheap ploy, and clearly the artist is one of Bill's favorites, so I trust the decision wasn't made lightly. My problem is that the artist put it there for a reason, and the backwards masking pulls the listener out of the song.
So, Bill... WTF?
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jonnydreaming (Maryland) | | Posted: Sep 20, 2011 - 06:06 | |
jim1964 wrote: If you get a chance go see him live and you'll hear a lot more variation in his music, especially if he has a band back up. I'd like that — need to find a good way to be notified when artists I'm interested in are in town. |
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jim1964 (british columbia, but use to ride the IRT to work) | | Posted: Sep 19, 2011 - 20:04 | |
jonnydreaming wrote:I like Iron and Wine, but how many times can he make this song? More variation in his music would be good. If you get a chance go see him live and you'll hear a lot more variation in his music, especially if he has a band back up. |
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jonnydreaming (Maryland) | | Posted: Sep 19, 2011 - 20:00 | |
I like Iron and Wine, but how many times can he make this song? More variation in his music would be good.
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Shimmer (Bethesda, MD) | | Posted: Aug 19, 2011 - 11:36 | |
Sam Beam talks about his use of profanity at the 10:00 mark here: "I don't curse lightly in songs. It would be easy to throw stuff in there, but it wouldn't be the same." And indeed, RP's copy of this song is ruined by the editing that someone has done to it. |
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Jelani (Home of the freak, land of the vague) | | Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 16:44 | |
I think, is "Monkeys Uptown" a euphemism for (government) monkeys up my butt...until (the time I can say fuck in public)they decide to fly out my ass?
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Jelani (Home of the freak, land of the vague) | | Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 16:41 | |
robco1 wrote: The Chicago jury approves (at least this particular jurist). Ditto that fucking sentiment from a different geographical segment. |
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btt (firmly ensconsed in the Beautiful B.C Interior) | | Posted: Jul 20, 2011 - 07:18 | |
I don`t necessarily think F*uck is a "bad" word . It has it`s appropriate value in the right time and place . Now , mauve , is a word that should never , under any circumstances , pass the lips of any self respecting male human being . Ever . Imo .  I do , however ,agree that excessive use of course language is a sure sign of the person using said course language to be "the common crutch of conversational cripple" . |
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robco1 (Chicago, IL) | | Posted: Jun 22, 2011 - 12:55 | |
fredriley wrote: You're a moralist. People have been swearing for as long as there's been civilisation (the word f*ck goes back at least to Old English). It's life, and if you went into any working-class pub you'd hear 'naughty words' as a regular part of conversation. Perhaps in 'polite' middle-class circles you wouldn't, but that's their problem. Humans need to swear and curse, and that's as much a part of civilisation as passing the port to the left or antimacassars or telling polite lies ("oh, I do love your outfit, darling!") or class snobbery. It's free expression.
The number of songs on RP with 'naughty words' can be counted on the fingers of one hand, going by my experience. Instead of getting on your hobbyhorse and taking time to write green ink moralistic rants, just hit the mute key and wait for the next song. It's simple enough, and a lot quicker and better for the blood pressure. And the idea that you can have popular music without swearing is quite funny - it's like rock 'n' roll without sex and drugs.
 The Chicago jury approves (at least this particular jurist). |
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adroc (slightly left of centre) | | Posted: Jun 17, 2011 - 10:14 | |
ziggytrix wrote:
It genuinely disturbs me that you equate public defecation (a genuine health hazard) with naughty words.
Uptight people give dirty words way too much power.
Very well put! You killed Geechee's analogy.... offenses caused by actual physical health hazards and four letter words that have been arbitrarily deemed offensive can't be fairly equated. |
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Dave_Mack (Ball of Confusion) | | Posted: Jun 17, 2011 - 10:11 | |
I woke up with this song stuck in my head. Weird. Bill knows everything.
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mandolin (...drifting...) | | Posted: Jun 17, 2011 - 10:10 | |
...iron and wine is what becomes of aged blood and lemonade...
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coding_to_music (Beantown) | | Posted: May 21, 2011 - 20:29 | |
Nice to see Iron & Wine grow up from the weepy folky stuff One of the few concerts I have ever walked out was I&W, in 2009 So freakin boring, just emo folky crap
I am encouraged that with this CD Sam Beam has discovered the band know other sounds aside from just parroting his weepy ramblings...
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nwardez (Switzerland) | | Posted: May 19, 2011 - 02:39 | |
goodbye RP for today... thanks to this fantastic song.
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Sjaaks (Horst, Netherlands) | | Posted: May 18, 2011 - 00:00 | |
There's something about singing with a low and a high voice that confuses me. It's done before but somehow i cannot place it. I don't even know if i like it or not... Damn, that's strange, like this song...  So........ A 3 or a 7? I'll stick to a 6 for now.... |
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scrubbrush (Sea of Calm) | | Posted: May 10, 2011 - 10:09 | |
linden wrote:If words do mean something, then it is legitimate for people to object to coarse language. Our culture has assigned a coarse meaning to certain words. You can disagree, but that doesn't change the meaning, any more than wanting to call an "apple" a "banana" reassigns the meaning in the minds of listeners, or wanting to make a swear word out of the word "petunia" will catch on with other people.
If words don't mean anything (as in "why do we care about coarse language — they're just words"), then why casually use ones people deem coarse, when other words will do just as well and words don't mean anything anyway?
As to I&W, I assume that as an artist, he believes that words mean something, because they are his tools. I will also assume he opted for the coarse language purposely because it expresses his intended meaning, knowing that the coarseness would narrow the audience for his work. So good for him, whatever.
As for me and mine, coarse language in our household is punished by the offender having to put some of their own money into a jar, the proceeds of which are then used to buy toothpaste and toothbrushes for the local homeless shelter. My children will learn how to express themselves without dropping the f-bomb every other word — what they do after they leave my household is on them, but they will have the skills.
Well said and great idea. We'll be adopting the dollar-towards-cleaner-mouths concept. |
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linden (Santa Cruz, CA) | | Posted: May 09, 2011 - 15:11 | |
If words do mean something, then it is legitimate for people to object to coarse language. Our culture has assigned a coarse meaning to certain words. You can disagree, but that doesn't change the meaning, any more than wanting to call an "apple" a "banana" reassigns the meaning in the minds of listeners, or wanting to make a swear word out of the word "petunia" will catch on with other people.
If words don't mean anything (as in "why do we care about coarse language — they're just words"), then why casually use ones people deem coarse, when other words will do just as well and words don't mean anything anyway?
As to I&W, I assume that as an artist, he believes that words mean something, because they are his tools. I will also assume he opted for the coarse language purposely because it expresses his intended meaning, knowing that the coarseness would narrow the audience for his work. So good for him, whatever.
As for me and mine, coarse language in our household is punished by the offender having to put some of their own money into a jar, the proceeds of which are then used to buy toothpaste and toothbrushes for the local homeless shelter. My children will learn how to express themselves without dropping the f-bomb every other word — what they do after they leave my household is on them, but they will have the skills.
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Geecheeboy (under a crescent moon and palmetto tree) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 10:56 | |
I agree, let it go. Sadly, though (to me), I am misunderstood and would like to clear it up. I am not a "moralist;" I am not taking a position. I only observe and posit a point of view to consider. I am likely as immoral as the average RP listener, probably more so. But the use of metaphors sometimes brings clarity, and perhaps it puts it into perspective to understand that historically, and culturally, using coarse language in public is considered as impolite as passing gas in public. It is verbal farting. Not that I am personally offended; I really don't care how anyone chooses to present themself. I thought it might clarify "why" people are offended by public broadcast of dirty words, but I offended some, it seems, and apologize.
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scrubbrush (Sea of Calm) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 10:47 | |
Geecheeboy wrote:You guys that like to hear "fuck" in songs are the same ones who come up next to someone and fart. Good one, huh? Well everyone does it, everyone knows what a fart smells like, and it is a mark of polite and civilized society to not fart in public, nor take a dump in public, nor use "coarse" language in public. I don't mind using "the F word" in private conversation any more than the next guy, but it is not appropriate to use it in public. It's as childish as farting and laughing about it. And then to be indignant that people don't like your farts? I used to play RP outloud in my place of business but got blindsided by too many farts. Like it or not, RP is public broadcast, not just for you in your private little room. It surprises me that this one is cleaned up.
Let it go. There are hundreds of thousands of words in the English language and we've decided that 6 or 7 are "bad"?? Here's an idea, let's all just agree that those last .00000001% of the words are "A-OK" (or do you prefer "swell"?) and there would be one less inconsequential thing to discuss on the 24-hour news stations... Now, if we could just get past our fear of boobs. |
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ziggytrix (Dallas, TX) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 10:45 | |
Geecheeboy wrote:it is a mark of polite and civilized society to not fart in public, nor take a dump in public, nor use "coarse" language in public.
It genuinely disturbs me that you equate public defecation (a genuine health hazard) with naughty words. Uptight people give dirty words way too much power. |
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govna (beantown) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 10:43 | |
Geecheeboy wrote:You guys that like to hear "fuck" in songs are the same ones who come up next to someone and fart. Good one, huh? Well everyone does it, everyone knows what a fart smells like, and it is a mark of polite and civilized society to not fart in public, nor take a dump in public, nor use "coarse" language in public. I don't mind using "the F word" in private conversation any more than the next guy, but it is not appropriate to use it in public. It's as childish as farting and laughing about it. And then to be indignant that people don't like your farts? I used to play RP outloud in my place of business but got blindsided by too many farts. Like it or not, RP is public broadcast, not just for you in your private little room. It surprises me that this one is cleaned up.
why did the artist put it in the song? |
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Decoy (Milliway's, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 10:42 | |
Decoy wrote:first impression:censorship = bad second impression: still don't like I&W third impression: it's just a word folks, it's only there to convey an idea still don't like I&W... (fuck) |
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govna (beantown) | | Posted: May 03, 2011 - 10:42 | |
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!!
...there, i feel better.
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Stingray (Where JULIAN is supported!) | | Posted: Apr 28, 2011 - 13:53 | |
fredriley wrote: it's like rock 'n' roll without sex and drugs.
Or sex without drugs (as fart as USA is concerened). |
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Stingray (Where JULIAN is supported!) | | Posted: Apr 28, 2011 - 13:50 | |
Geecheeboy wrote:You guys that like to hear "fuck" in songs are the same ones who come up next to someone and fart. Good one, huh? Well everyone does it, everyone knows what a fart smells like, and it is a mark of polite and civilized society to not fart in public, nor take a dump in public, nor use "coarse" language in public. I don't mind using "the F word" in private conversation any more than the next guy, but it is not appropriate to use it in public. It's as childish as farting and laughing about it. And then to be indignant that people don't like your farts? I used to play RP outloud in my place of business but got blindsided by too many farts. Like it or not, RP is public broadcast, not just for you in your private little room. It surprises me that this one is cleaned up.
...unbelievable, gee-gee boy! What about hunting down kinds and injured civilians from helicopters? Is it allowed to laugh about that one? |
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Stingray (Where JULIAN is supported!) | | Posted: Apr 28, 2011 - 13:44 | |
Incredible cover - great music!
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fredriley (Nottingham, UK) | | Posted: Apr 27, 2011 - 03:24 | |
Geecheeboy wrote:You guys that like to hear "fuck" in songs are the same ones who come up next to someone and fart. Good one, huh? Well everyone does it, everyone knows what a fart smells like, and it is a mark of polite and civilized society to not fart in public, nor take a dump in public, nor use "coarse" language in public. I don't mind using "the F word" in private conversation any more than the next guy, but it is not appropriate to use it in public. It's as childish as farting and laughing about it. And then to be indignant that people don't like your farts? I used to play RP outloud in my place of business but got blindsided by too many farts. Like it or not, RP is public broadcast, not just for you in your private little room. It surprises me that this one is cleaned up.
You're a moralist. People have been swearing for as long as there's been civilisation (the word f*ck goes back at least to Old English). It's life, and if you went into any working-class pub you'd hear 'naughty words' as a regular part of conversation. Perhaps in 'polite' middle-class circles you wouldn't, but that's their problem. Humans need to swear and curse, and that's as much a part of civilisation as passing the port to the left or antimacassars or telling polite lies ("oh, I do love your outfit, darling!") or class snobbery. It's free expression. The number of songs on RP with 'naughty words' can be counted on the fingers of one hand, going by my experience. Instead of getting on your hobbyhorse and taking time to write green ink moralistic rants, just hit the mute key and wait for the next song. It's simple enough, and a lot quicker and better for the blood pressure. And the idea that you can have popular music without swearing is quite funny - it's like rock 'n' roll without sex and drugs. |
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Null (Out there (where the truth is)) | | Posted: Apr 26, 2011 - 00:47 | |
I have the distinct notion my previous comment got censored away!!!!
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