hagz21
(somewhere between here and there) | | Posted: Mar 26, 2013 - 19:40 | |
I'm sorry, there is (nor should be) any "shoo-be-do-wap" in any revolution!
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Lazarus
(Bethany) | | Posted: Mar 26, 2013 - 19:36 | |
Cynaera wrote:
In an obvious effort to avoid the whole political argument - I like this version ("ah-um-shoo-be-do-wuh, ah-um-shoo-be-do-wuh...") because it's not bombastic. It's the same message, geared to a champagne-and-caviar audience. Lennon was nothing if not clever and perceptive. I love the full-out rock version - it's why I bought the album in the first place - but this version is a sly investment in the future.
Mr. Lennon knew what he was doing.
Miss you so much, Cynaera...everybody in my church loves this version from the White Album, as well as the rocking version on the Hey Jude album... |
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Sbed
| | Posted: Jan 07, 2013 - 17:34 | |
Sorry but you are thinking about the 45 single B side to hey Jude
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On_The_Beach
(The Blue Planet) | | Posted: Jan 07, 2013 - 17:33 | |
bushrat wrote:You're thinking of the cut from Abbey Road Say what?! |
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bushrat
(Chainsaw Ridge) | | Posted: Jan 07, 2013 - 17:30 | |
Ramenoodler wrote:It seemed like this version has been artificially slowed down somehow. Am I just remembering a different, faster version? You're thinking of the cut from Abbey Road |
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Ramenoodler
| | Posted: Dec 07, 2012 - 09:16 | |
It seemed like this version has been artificially slowed down somehow. Am I just remembering a different, faster version?
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lemmoth
(NYC) | | Posted: Dec 07, 2012 - 08:34 | |
And yeah.....these guys knew how to rock when they wanted to.
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lemmoth
(NYC) | | Posted: Dec 07, 2012 - 08:34 | |
Hannio wrote:
So you think the government will run big oil efficiently, without corruption and graft, with the best interests of the consumer in mind? Your naivete is breathtaking.
We need to work toward the day that there is no more Big Oil, no matter who runs it. Fossil fuels like oil and coal burning are creating the climate change that has manifested itself in storms like Sandy. We need faster development of alternative fuels - bio diesel & long life batteries for our cars and wind, solar and hydro for our electricity needs, and leaving that to the free market alone will slow that development until profits are possible. This has been true of every major technology advance since time immemorial - government must be involved with private enterprise to keep progress moving forward for the people. |
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oldsaxon
(Wales via Vancouver, BC.) | | Posted: Nov 21, 2012 - 07:49 | |
Hannio wrote:
So you think the government will run big oil efficiently, without corruption and graft, with the best interests of the consumer in mind? Your naivete is breathtaking.
It wouldn't be any worse than the corruption and graft displayed by the corporations and most profits would go into the public coffers instead of executive bonuses and off shore tax havens. At least with a government, you can have a vote every now and then. All you need to do to keep governments in line is participate. |
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cShaggy
(..in the general vicinity..) | | Posted: Oct 05, 2012 - 13:59 | |
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casey1024
(Here and Now) | | Posted: Sep 19, 2012 - 10:35 | |
enjoy the music. does that seem like a silly idea?
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Hannio
(Austin, TX) | | Posted: Sep 19, 2012 - 10:35 | |
bachbeet wrote:Mr fixit: I won't go so far as you have and say that there could be such a utopian socialist state. I will go so far as to say that one industry that should be nationalized is Big Oil. I see absolutely no reason we should continue to allow these mega corps from gouging us. Prices rise for no apparent reason; even during a recession (which worsens that recession). And when one realizes how many everyday goods are made from petrochemicals it becomes obvious that the oil companies have the whole world by the cojones. So you think the government will run big oil efficiently, without corruption and graft, with the best interests of the consumer in mind? Your naivete is breathtaking. |
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bachbeet
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Mr fixit: I won't go so far as you have and say that there could be such a utopian socialist state. I will go so far as to say that one industry that should be nationalized is Big Oil. I see absolutely no reason we should continue to allow these mega corps from gouging us. Prices rise for no apparent reason; even during a recession (which worsens that recession). And when one realizes how many everyday goods are made from petrochemicals it becomes obvious that the oil companies have the whole world by the cojones.
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bachbeet
| | Posted: Aug 18, 2012 - 22:43 | |
Always liked all three versions of Revolution. Including #9.
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oldsaxon
(Wales via Vancouver, BC.) | | Posted: Jul 18, 2012 - 12:27 | |
Misterfixit wrote:
No, No, No, you missed the sarcastic reference. In the book "The Turner Diaries", 'the day of the rope' was a catch-phrase to mean when the uber-conservative, survivalist, Religous revolutionaries would take to the streets and lynch anyone and everyone they targeted. Blacks, Jews, Browns, Yellows, Liberals, politicians, peace officers .. all were fodder for the mad world of The Turner Diaries. For example, I, myself, am a Socialist and I have believed for years in a strong, centralized, authoritarian government which would provide Social Justice for all people. However citizens of our socialist people's republic would be required to participate in that government's governance in a multitude of ways, including Projects for the improvement of the infrastructure and so forth. No capitalistic business would be permitted to exist and instead all methods of production would be Nationalized and administered by People's Committees. Politicians, lobbyists, representative government of the sort we have today would become redundant, since once the People's Revolutionary Committees became fully formed and active at all levels (neighborhood, town, city, state and federal), all social actions would be governed by Plenary Congresses of the People. The ordinary citizen, committed to the destiny of the Socialist People's Republic of America, would become the direct implementer of public requirements such as farming, industry, living space growth, environmental controls. Within a few generations, the SPRA would become a paradise for all: no smog, no hazardous chemicals, no murder of innocent animals, no rapine plundering of the land, no disastrous nuclear power plants. The SPRA would, of course, retain a very strong defensive force of Peace-Keepers, who would integrate completely with the United Nations and assist that august body in the righting of wrongs throughout the world. There would be no poor, no homeless, no manipulative super-rich, and certainly a complete and utter end to the racial, religious, and other segregation manifested in today's USA. So, you see, you pulled the trigger much to early in your commentary. Speaking of "racist rubbish that should have disappeared in the 50's and 60's", I hope you fully realize that race-hatred has existed since the formation of the USA, when rich planters, slave-holder, white men brought the country into existence. That racial hatred continues today and you can easily see how it is a cancer which has metastasized into hatred of differing sexual preferences, transgender-ism, political activism, and the strangling of civil, argumentative debate in our society. Anything which is perceived to be "extreme" by one person is branded extreme by others who follow a kind of spoor which somehow leads them to on to bemoan that particular deviation from their narrow-minded proclivities. I have a lot more to say about social issues in this country and how only Authoritarian Socialism will permit the nation's survival, but will reserve my thoughts for the podium. As for the ideals of the Beatles, their wish for peace and harmony amongst all peoples of the world was not necessarily an ephemeral desire; such a status is possible but only after gigantic social welfare projects. Projects, which are only doable under the aegis of a Socialist People's Republic.
They pulled down all of the statues of Stalin a while back. Your socialism is badly formed. Go back and read some Trotsky. Or.... if your trying to be funny....ha! ha! ha!. |
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rdo
(DC) | | Posted: Jun 01, 2012 - 06:24 | |
Misterfixit wrote:
No, No, No, you missed the sarcastic reference. In the book "The Turner Diaries", 'the day of the rope' was a catch-phrase to mean when the uber-conservative, survivalist, Religous revolutionaries would take to the streets and lynch anyone and everyone they targeted. Blacks, Jews, Browns, Yellows, Liberals, politicians, peace officers .. all were fodder for the mad world of The Turner Diaries. For example, I, myself, am a Socialist and I have believed for years in a strong, centralized, authoritarian government which would provide Social Justice for all people. However citizens of our socialist people's republic would be required to participate in that government's governance in a multitude of ways, including Projects for the improvement of the infrastructure and so forth. No capitalistic business would be permitted to exist and instead all methods of production would be Nationalized and administered by People's Committees. Politicians, lobbyists, representative government of the sort we have today would become redundant, since once the People's Revolutionary Committees became fully formed and active at all levels (neighborhood, town, city, state and federal), all social actions would be governed by Plenary Congresses of the People. The ordinary citizen, committed to the destiny of the Socialist People's Republic of America, would become the direct implementer of public requirements such as farming, industry, living space growth, environmental controls. Within a few generations, the SPRA would become a paradise for all: no smog, no hazardous chemicals, no murder of innocent animals, no rapine plundering of the land, no disastrous nuclear power plants. The SPRA would, of course, retain a very strong defensive force of Peace-Keepers, who would integrate completely with the United Nations and assist that august body in the righting of wrongs throughout the world. There would be no poor, no homeless, no manipulative super-rich, and certainly a complete and utter end to the racial, religious, and other segregation manifested in today's USA. So, you see, you pulled the trigger much to early in your commentary. Speaking of "racist rubbish that should have disappeared in the 50's and 60's", I hope you fully realize that race-hatred has existed since the formation of the USA, when rich planters, slave-holder, white men brought the country into existence. That racial hatred continues today and you can easily see how it is a cancer which has metastasized into hatred of differing sexual preferences, transgender-ism, political activism, and the strangling of civil, argumentative debate in our society. Anything which is perceived to be "extreme" by one person is branded extreme by others who follow a kind of spoor which somehow leads them to on to bemoan that particular deviation from their narrow-minded proclivities. I have a lot more to say about social issues in this country and how only Authoritarian Socialism will permit the nation's survival, but will reserve my thoughts for the podium. As for the ideals of the Beatles, their wish for peace and harmony amongst all peoples of the world was not necessarily an ephemeral desire; such a status is possible but only after gigantic social welfare projects. Projects, which are only doable under the aegis of a Socialist People's Republic.
You are either a very funny comedian, or, someone with an utterly terrifying understanding of society, politics, current events, and human nature. Your Authoritarian Socialism cannot be serious, so I am leaning toward thinking you are joking. If you are serious...One person mentioned Scandanavia below, and suggested that they were "Socialist". These are outdated labels. Scandanavia is sufficiently democratic, as is the USA. Policies can be branded, labeled, marketed to the masses in a variety of ways, it does not matter what you call them. What matters is that all citizens have an equal vote in deciding those policies. Whether you are serious or not, thanks for the interesting article. We need more of this on RP. I am always baffled by the army of idiots who complain about thoughtful commentary on this board. A typical song has about one page of commentary per year, and the average lenght of a post is about 5 words, plus a couple of emoticons, yet these idiots still complain about long comments that touch on the political aspects of the music. |
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ScottishWillie
(The Scottish Lowlands) | | Posted: Jun 01, 2012 - 06:08 | |
This is one of the few Beatles tracks I never liked but this version is so much better than the one I am use to hearing. |
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Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC) | | Posted: May 16, 2012 - 03:52 | |
MiracleDrug wrote:yeah socialism... like THAT ever works...  hmm... GDP List by the CIA World Factbook (2000-2010)if you adjust this per capita LIGHTLY populated countries will benefit, BUT if you look at the TOTALS you could sum ALL of Scandinavia and still not reach the GDP of the USA... The per capita "adjustment" is essential to the PPP, which you mentioned earlier, and also relevant to the GDP, since it is how it affects the standards of living within those countries. My original point was that "Socialism" or "Social Democracy" apparently has worked for the Scandinavian nations. Anyhow, good research - great tune.  |
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christy_oneil
(Nottingham UK) | | Posted: Apr 14, 2012 - 10:52 | |
MiracleDrug wrote:hmm... GDP List by the CIA World Factbook (2000-2010)| 1 |  United States | 14,660,000 | 2010 est. | | 2 |  China, People's Republic of | 5,878,000 | 2010 est. | | 3 |  Japan | 5,459,000 | 2010 est. | | 4 |  Germany | 3,316,000 | 2010 est. | | 5 |  France | 2,583,000 | 2010 est. | | 6 |  United Kingdom | 2,247,000 | 2010 est. | | 7 |  Brazil | 2,090,000 | 2010 est. | | 8 |  Italy | 2,055,000 | 2010 est. | | 9 |  Canada | 1,574,000 | 2010 est. | | 10 |  India | 1,538,000 | 2010 est. | | 11 |  Russia | 1,465,000 | 2010 est. | | 12 |  Spain | 1,410,000 | 2010 est. | | 13 |  Australia | 1,236,000 | 2010 est. | | 14 |  Mexico | 1,039,000 | 2010 est. | | 15 |  Korea, South | 1,007,000 | 2010 est. | | 16 |  Netherlands | 783,300 | 2010 est. | | 17 |  Turkey | 741,900 | 2010 est. | | 18 |  Indonesia | 706,700 | 2010 est. | | 19 |  Switzerland | 523,800 | 2010 est. | | 20 |  Poland | 468,500 | 2010 est. | | 21 |  Belgium | 465,700 | 2010 est. | | 22 |  Sweden | 455,800 | 2010 est. |
if you adjust this per capita LIGHTLY populated countries will benefit, BUT if you look at the TOTALS you could sum ALL of Scandinavia and still not reach the GDP of the USA... It's the per capita that's crucial here, those pesky Scandinavian social democracies are better off than most chunks of the global populous, and with their succesfully integrated social and recycling services shame the US with its third world body parts, its second world heart, and its first world head largely in denial in a cloud of GDP smog. At least we don't get Another Day in Paradise from Mr Collins hereabouts, that would really extract the P and send us lunging into the abyss-mal. Mercies. What civilizes us (small u). |
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neuticle
(fog fog fog) | | Posted: Mar 13, 2012 - 18:48 | |
MiracleDrug wrote:yeah socialism... like THAT ever works... uh, you been watching the economic news lately ? So called "de-mock-cracy isn't fairing too well either |
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neuticle
(fog fog fog) | | Posted: Mar 13, 2012 - 18:47 | |
WonderLizard wrote:I'm starting to wonder if anyone gets the irony to this song:
"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao/You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
Like, the Chinese have won "the war" . The west is in debt to a a "Communist" country. Kind of ironic huh? |
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(former member)
(hotel in Las Vegas) | | Posted: Mar 13, 2012 - 18:46 | |
Cynaera wrote:
In an obvious effort to avoid the whole political argument - I like this version ("ah-um-shoo-be-do-wuh, ah-um-shoo-be-do-wuh...") because it's not bombastic. It's the same message, geared to a champagne-and-caviar audience. Lennon was nothing if not clever and perceptive. I love the full-out rock version - it's why I bought the album in the first place - but this version is a sly investment in the future.
Mr. Lennon knew what he was doing.
Well said... I love both versions... I sure hope you are feeling fine right this minute... hugs to you... |
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MiracleDrug
(Earth) | | Posted: Feb 08, 2012 - 04:56 | |
Proclivities wrote: hmm... GDP List by the CIA World Factbook (2000-2010)| 1 | United States | 14,660,000 | 2010 est. | | 2 | China, People's Republic of | 5,878,000 | 2010 est. | | 3 | Japan | 5,459,000 | 2010 est. | | 4 | Germany | 3,316,000 | 2010 est. | | 5 | France | 2,583,000 | 2010 est. | | 6 | United Kingdom | 2,247,000 | 2010 est. | | 7 | Brazil | 2,090,000 | 2010 est. | | 8 | Italy | 2,055,000 | 2010 est. | | 9 | Canada | 1,574,000 | 2010 est. | | 10 | India | 1,538,000 | 2010 est. | | 11 | Russia | 1,465,000 | 2010 est. | | 12 | Spain | 1,410,000 | 2010 est. | | 13 | Australia | 1,236,000 | 2010 est. | | 14 | Mexico | 1,039,000 | 2010 est. | | 15 | Korea, South | 1,007,000 | 2010 est. | | 16 | Netherlands | 783,300 | 2010 est. | | 17 | Turkey | 741,900 | 2010 est. | | 18 | Indonesia | 706,700 | 2010 est. | | 19 | Switzerland | 523,800 | 2010 est. | | 20 | Poland | 468,500 | 2010 est. | | 21 | Belgium | 465,700 | 2010 est. | | 22 | Sweden | 455,800 | 2010 est. |
if you adjust this per capita LIGHTLY populated countries will benefit, BUT if you look at the TOTALS you could sum ALL of Scandinavia and still not reach the GDP of the USA... |
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Cynaera
(Oh, who cares?) | | Posted: Dec 25, 2011 - 17:13 | |
romeotuma wrote:
I prefer the rocking version on Hey Jude, but this one is still very cool...
In an obvious effort to avoid the whole political argument - I like this version ("ah-um-shoo-be-do-wuh, ah-um-shoo-be-do-wuh...") because it's not bombastic. It's the same message, geared to a champagne-and-caviar audience. Lennon was nothing if not clever and perceptive. I love the full-out rock version - it's why I bought the album in the first place - but this version is a sly investment in the future. Mr. Lennon knew what he was doing. |
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mcYammer
(Beervana) | | Posted: Dec 13, 2011 - 14:21 | |
Sweden has achieved over 14% recent immigrant citizenship this year, a sharp turnaround from its recent past. More intriguing, though, it has become a political asylum target destination for refugees of the Balkan and Iraqi conflicts in the last two decades. Sweden's normal, healthy "Socialist" response to those in need is burdened with the track record of slums forming in its larger cities. A change from a homogenous population that took care of its own...? I appreciate your comments Proclivities
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Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC) | | Posted: Dec 09, 2011 - 10:16 | |
MiracleDrug wrote:
I guess you've never checked out the GDP or PPP of Scandinavian countries...
I have casually checked it out: Norway's PPP and GDP appear to be higher than those of the United States - among the highest on the planet, in fact. T he GDPs of Denmark and Sweden are also higher than those of the US and among the top ten in the world. Finland is among the top 25 nations in both categories as well. Research sources may vary. Of course, having a relatively uncrowded and largely homogeneous population in those nations, may also help. justsomeone wrote:
There's a big difference between Socialism and Social democracy
I agree that there is a difference, but the latter is arguably a reformed or "evolved" off-shoot of the former. As you surely know, it may also depend on who you ask. |
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unclehud
(300 feet above the planet) | | Posted: Dec 09, 2011 - 10:10 | |
WonderLizard wrote:I'm starting to wonder if anyone gets the irony to this song:
"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao/You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
Oh yeah, I got it very clearly first time I heard it in 1969. John was non-violent, remember? "We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out?"
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"But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is, brother, you'll have to wait"
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"You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know, you'd better free your mind instead"
—— And the wisecrack about Mao's picture still makes me smile. |
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WonderLizard
(2,755.46 mi. due east of Paradise) | | Posted: Dec 09, 2011 - 10:08 | |
I'm starting to wonder if anyone gets the irony to this song:
"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao/You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
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Zep
| | Posted: Dec 09, 2011 - 10:04 | |
Huey wrote:Lets face it, this sucks. Even if it is by the Beatles. It's no good, wasn't then and it isn't now. 3. Let's face, it's a great take on a well-known classic in a downtempo rendering. Even if it is by the Beatles. It was great then, and it's great now. 9. |
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mcYammer
(Beervana) | | Posted: Dec 09, 2011 - 10:00 | |
I guess you've never seen happiness survey data from those countries, either
MiracleDrug wrote:
I guess you've never checked out the GDP or PPP of Scandinavian countries...
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