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Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
May 15, 2013 - 11:53am

miamizsun wrote:

i knew it

you're such a heathen and i admire that

any tips for me?


stay thirsty, my friend

 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 11:51am

Red_Dragon wrote:

drunk in a ditch


at least she kept you out of the ditch.

 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
May 15, 2013 - 11:50am

Red_Dragon wrote:

drunk in a ditch


i knew it

you're such a heathen and i admire that

any tips for me?

 
Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
May 15, 2013 - 11:47am

miamizsun wrote:


we could ponder the scariness of where he'd be without P

drunk in a ditch

 
Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
May 15, 2013 - 11:47am

islander wrote:

Many things, not the least of which is a belief that heathens (and slabby Dragons) need no saving from themselves.


come to the dark side, we have coffee.

 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
May 15, 2013 - 11:44am

islander wrote:

Many things, not the least of which is a belief that heathens (and slabby Dragons) need no saving from themselves.



we could ponder the scariness of where he'd be without P


 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 11:42am

miamizsun wrote:





The group W bench is always crowded.

 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 11:41am

miamizsun wrote:

i think you and FZ have something in common...


Many things, not the least of which is a belief that heathens (and slabby Dragons) need no saving from themselves.

 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
May 15, 2013 - 11:41am

Red_Dragon wrote:

me too Frank, me too.


got marshmallows?





 
Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
May 15, 2013 - 11:33am

miamizsun wrote:

i think you and FZ have something in common...




me too Frank, me too.

 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
May 15, 2013 - 11:26am

islander wrote:

Okay, I get that principle. But I don't see a lot of other non-profits accumulating tax free property like the churches tend to. There is an area on the south end of town here where just about every parcel in a 4 block radius of the church is owned by the church (there are residential houses on most of them and the residents rent from the church). Many of these houses were gifted to the church and continue to be occupied by elderly people who previously owned, but took advantage of a generous set of tax rules and loopholes. The church now controls a lot of land and because of the geography has landed some very lucrative contracts for cell towers and other land use items. I'm questionable on the tax free status of the land for the church itself because it shifts the burden to others, but the extension to the collected assets really irks me because everyone else carries the burden for services that are used by the church.

I get that they provide a community service, and that they are due some leeway because of their religious nature. But I don't see why they get to run what is effectively a tax free REIT just because they have a religious affiliation. This is the kind of tax treatment that I'd like to see go away. I'd also like to see things like selective rezoning for some businesses and other follies that are undertaken for similar preferential status classifications stopped. Many corporations do this and many well connected people as well. Heck I like support a handfull of subsidies as well, but I'd like to think that I support them because they have a broader benefit that is available to all. And again, I'll happily forgo all the subsidies that I like as long as we kill off all of the others at approximately the same time - I wonder how long it would take the really free market to sort that all out?


i think you and FZ have something in common...



 
Proclivities  (Paris of the Piedmont)
May 15, 2013 - 11:09am

islander wrote:

Okay, I get that principle. But I don't see a lot of other non-profits accumulating tax free property like the churches tend to...

I guess it depends where one looks; many non-religiously-affiliated "retirement communities" and/or assisted living developments are not-for-profit and often accumulate large, tax-free tracts of land, especially if they are located in areas that large numbers of people retire to.



 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 10:42am

Lazy8 wrote:
islander wrote:
 
Lazy8  (The Gallatin Valley of Montana)
May 15, 2013 - 10:24am

islander wrote:
I just don't see why any church gets a tax break unless they comply with the same charitable rules (mostly non-discrimination) that everyone else uses to get tax breaks. I'd like to avoid paying my property taxes by inviting a select group of friends over for dinner once a week and calling it a community benefit, but I doubt the assessor would agree to it. And even if I did manage that, eventually all the neighborhood dinner parties would be hard to get to with the roads falling apart.

Treating churches whose doctrines are politically acceptable differently from those whose doctrines aren't amounts to preferential treatment. Most Muslims don't have a choice about maintaining separate worship facilities for men and women; for them that's part of being Muslim. Tax them for it and you have what amounts to a tax on religious doctrine, which is constitutionally unacceptable.

Nonprofits aren't necessarily charities. Churches and political parties also qualify. Should the party in power have the authority to tax a rival out of existence? Hands off is the only equitable approach, even if it means that newly-paved parking lot it took five years of bake sales to pay for doesn't wind up on the tax rolls.

 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 9:58am

Lazy8 wrote:
BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
Lazy8  (The Gallatin Valley of Montana)
May 15, 2013 - 9:52am

BlueHeronDruid wrote:
I certainly don't! I'm not even sure what point we're talking about!

I'm not talking about taxing churches at all. Just stating that there's one huge one out there which is raking in the big bucks for what, centuries?

Sorry, thought you were joining the conversation about taxing churches.

As for raking in big bucks...I don't think anyone outside the Vatican knows what its revenue is anymore. Local diocese are pretty much on their own financially—when they've been sued over priests raping children (to the tune of around $3B so far) several diocese declared bankruptcy, and the courts didn't reach any higher in the hierarchy to cover their debts.

 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 8:48am

Lazy8 wrote:
BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 8:42am

BlueHeronDruid wrote:

What's this about god? I'm talking the church.


A church is just a cage in which you keep your god. The Catholics have just gilded theirs nicely, doesn't make it less confining though.

 
islander  (Seattle)
May 15, 2013 - 8:41am

lily34 wrote:

hang on a sec....what the...what are you doing up so early??


It's a miracle!!!!! Who now can question divine intervention?

 
lily34  (GTFO)
May 15, 2013 - 6:10am

Red_Dragon wrote:

what the hell are you doing up at this god forsaken hour?


jinx!

 
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