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Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:12am



 
Dagadog
Apr 4, 2014 - 5:11pm



Somerset, UK, 2014.

And now the South east is covered with a film of Saharan dust. Go figure!



 
ScottN  (Sold the condo in Gaza. Looking for smth near fracking.)
Apr 4, 2014 - 7:00am

kurtster wrote:

I am aware of the realities. Deforestation is accelerating in some areas and slowing or reversing in other locales as well.

I am also aware that the Sahara was once a lush rain forest. That changed before man had any influence that I am aware of.
Forest change mapped by Google Earth

In the short term, geologically speaking, the Sahara is increasing—about a mile per year southward. The Sahel has been in a drought for about twenty+ years or so w/little relief Population and economic factors point to a net loss in earth vegetation biomass over time.
Additional co2 is not going to be a help, in many scientists opinion. A warming atmosphere retains more moisture. And when it does give it up, severe weather is more likely along with deviations from normal rainfall distribution geographically.

 
kurtster  (counting flowers on the wall ...)
Apr 4, 2014 - 2:30am

ScottN wrote:

Not if your culture is in active deforestation. That is the policy in much of the tropics. Go to tropical Africa and see what's left, for example.


I am aware of the realities. Deforestation is accelerating in some areas and slowing or reversing in other locales as well.

I am also aware that the Sahara was once a lush rain forest. That changed before man had any influence that I am aware of.
Forest change mapped by Google Earth

 
ScottN  (Sold the condo in Gaza. Looking for smth near fracking.)
Apr 3, 2014 - 9:20pm

kurtster wrote:
Not if your culture is in active deforestation. That is the policy in much of the tropics. Go to tropical Africa and see what's left, for example.

 
kurtster  (counting flowers on the wall ...)
Apr 3, 2014 - 6:16pm


Global Warming Will Increase Tropical Forests
Global warming: It's GOOD for the environment Don't forget: CO 2 is PLANT FOOD


 
Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
Apr 3, 2014 - 6:11pm

islander wrote:

Well if we survived the last 90 years, we'll survive the next 90 right?


yeah - that's the ticket!

 
islander  (Seattle)
Apr 3, 2014 - 5:43pm

Red_Dragon wrote:

Um, yes - it was happening that long ago.

Given that mankind has systematically deforested the planet over the last 8,000 years or so, anthropomorphic climate change is a reality, not a conspiracy.


Well if we survived the last 90 years, we'll survive the next 90 right?

 
Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
Apr 3, 2014 - 5:06pm

KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Um, yes - it was happening that long ago.

Given that mankind has systematically deforested the planet over the last 8,000 years or so, anthropomorphic climate change is a reality, not a conspiracy.



 
KurtfromLaQuinta  (Deep in the heart of South California)
Apr 3, 2014 - 3:08pm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/science/globalwarming1922.asp

 
Dagadog
Apr 3, 2014 - 12:38pm

black321 wrote:

Interesting. On the one hand, they do argue that to save the human race we need to solve climate change. And then the other, to solve climate change we need to control this invasive species.


In the UK recently we had a televised lecture which dealt with global population statistics. It was fascinating, and actually proved that after a massive explosion in the last century, population growth was actually decelerating now, and generally families were getting smaller. Big families are not a product of tradition or religion but of necessity. If 4 of your kids are likely to die before reaching an age where they can contribute to household productivity, you're going to have 6. If you can find it, check out " Don't Panic - The Truth About Population ".

It also showed that there IS enough food to feed the current and future populations, but that it is wrongly distributed.

As regards productivity, Big Oil, vested interests and the greed of those at the top at the expense of those at the bottom of the pile. If our cost of living wasn't so disastrously high, we'd be able to afford to make stuff ourselves instead of relying on cheap imported goods. If our governments thought more about the benefits of self-sufficiency and less about winning on the International money market maybe we'd start enforcing our tax laws more rigorously, and then maybe we wouldn't need to worry so much about GDP?

Just my random, meandering pointless 2p.

 
sirdroseph  (Yes)
Apr 3, 2014 - 12:13pm

black321 wrote:

Interesting. On the one hand, they do argue that to save the human race we need to solve climate change. And then the other, to solve climate change we need to control this invasive species.



Actually it makes perfect logical sense, a good ol' fashioned culling will take place either by natural, slow and painful means, eugenics or by 50 cal machine guns blowing away the poor and weak in government helicopter fly bys. It's really all the same, many are scheduled to perish.

 
black321  (A sunset in the desert)
Apr 3, 2014 - 11:53am

kurtster wrote:

While I agree with some of the observations of our behaviour,

it really sounds more like a sales pitch for Eugenics and population control.


Interesting. On the one hand, they do argue that to save the human race we need to solve climate change. And then the other, to solve climate change we need to control this invasive species.

 
kurtster  (counting flowers on the wall ...)
Apr 3, 2014 - 11:33am

black321 wrote:

10 reasons why 76% of Americans ignore climate disasters

Opinion: Why 235 million ignore 2,000 UN climate scientists

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/d546cd8b-84a1-4b4d-a3e1-43d540c7d6bf/stitch?storyguid=4aa4010c-ba73-11e3-9bbe-00212803fad6&siteid=nwhpf




While I agree with some of the observations of our behaviour,

it really sounds more like a sales pitch for Eugenics and population control.

 
black321  (A sunset in the desert)
Apr 3, 2014 - 11:18am


10 reasons why 76% of Americans ignore climate disasters

Opinion: Why 235 million ignore 2,000 UN climate scientists

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/d546cd8b-84a1-4b4d-a3e1-43d540c7d6bf/stitch?storyguid=4aa4010c-ba73-11e3-9bbe-00212803fad6&siteid=nwhpf



 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
Apr 1, 2014 - 7:09am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Pound salt?


at least he has options

option 1

option 2

option 3

 
Dagadog
Apr 1, 2014 - 3:53am

It's difficult not to accept that the predictions are coming true in a country where we have had in successive seasons (UK).
The wettest summer on record (2012)
The coldest winter and spring spring for 50 years (2013)
one of the top ten hottest summer on record (2013)
Wettest winter on record (2013-2014)

With thousands of acres of farmland still unusable in Somerset it seems we might be in deep doodoo for the growing season this year although the south east is faring a bit better.

 
kurtster  (counting flowers on the wall ...)
Apr 1, 2014 - 2:47am

I was 22 when the article came out and remember all the hoopla and paranoia surrounding the article. Being young and dumb and also being a child of duck and cover through the 50's and 60's it was one more thing to be scared the bejeebus of. Visions of mile thick walls of ice danced through my head. Fear of nuclear annihilation were replaced with fear of starving or freezing to death. The fear of war was fading as Viet Nam and the draft were over. But the powers that be must keep fear alive in order to maintain their power. And at the time of the article, the chickens of the war in Nam had come home to roost, sending the economy into a death spiral that was worse than the one we are dealing with today. Same old stuff, and hire a Vet were the calls of the day, even though the libs of the day (who are now older and the entrenched power in gov) were still spitting on the baby killers. We had double digit inflation and economic Martial Law with wage and price freezes.

In other words, I've seen this movie before. Same plot, same characters (though older) its just the things we are supposed to be afraid of have been changed to suit the needs of the day. Looking back, I understand the fear induced by the notion of an impending ice age. So I get the fear everyone is feeling with the alleged impending burning to death on a scorched earth. Its hard to ignore when its plastered all over the news of the day. We're now being told its a greater danger than the megalomaniacs threatening peace in the world. Really ?

So go ahead, quake in yer boots and fear the coming famine and heat more than anything else in this world. Keep your eyes off the prize, which is us and our liberties and freedoms that we are being scared into giving up so that the .gov and its bureaucrats can save us from ourselves.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

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ErikX  (I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816)
Mar 31, 2014 - 8:52pm

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buzz  (up the boohai)
Mar 31, 2014 - 7:56pm

RichardPrins wrote:
72% Chicken Little

 
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