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RichardPrins
Aug 26, 2014 - 4:00pm


 
RichardPrins
Aug 22, 2014 - 10:48am

 marko86 wrote:
Here is what you are looking for. Very interesting project to integrate all the data they can, including stuff from old maritime records. 

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/07/release-of-the-international-surface-temperature-initiatives-istis-global-land-surface-databank-an-expanded-set-of-fundamental-surface-temperature-records/

If you are just wanting raw data,, http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access

A lot of data out there. Knowing what to do with it is another matter.
 
That's probably how the goalposts will be moved next (when some realize there is plenty data is available and certainly some of it, incl. the methodology has been re-analyzed).

A scientist needs (nay, has the duty!) to hold hands and lead the layperson through the process/explain the tools, etc. (even though that is likely already documented in the methodology part of the relevant papers that were published on this data).

After that, there will likely be yet another reason not to accept the findings/suggest there's something nefarious going on to which we're not privy...
 
marko86  (North TX)
Aug 22, 2014 - 7:29am

 miamizsun wrote:
cross posted from tech and science

as i understand it (or from what i've read in the past) the vast majority of raw climate data/info is not digitized and/or available to share (as easily as it could/should be

)i think if frank or any scientist want more cred that they need to open up/digitized the raw data and the entire process

any project, especially if it is funded by the political process, should be completely and totally open and transparent

i'm thinking a project to share what is there and to digitize (and give) access to the remainder would be great (and not that difficult)

instead of trotting out conclusions show everyone the data and exactly how you got there (via your process, modeling, etc.)

make all of the info/data public (available to everyone)

i would open it all up (a form of crowd sourcing) and let's see where it goes

in science (and life) the process is always more important than the result

peace


 
Here is what you are looking for. Very interesting project to integrate all the data they can, including stuff from old maritime records. 

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/07/release-of-the-international-surface-temperature-initiatives-istis-global-land-surface-databank-an-expanded-set-of-fundamental-surface-temperature-records/

If you are just wanting raw data,, http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access

A lot of data out there. Knowing what to do with it is another matter.


 
ScottN  (An inch above the K/T boundary. But smth near fracking still has appeal.)
Aug 22, 2014 - 7:09am

For some reason the hot link function doesn't work in my post.  Here is he URL for your browser: http://guides.lib.uchicago.edu/content.php?pid=68911&sid=509573
 
kurtster  (counting flowers on the wall ...)
Aug 22, 2014 - 6:39am

 ScottN wrote: 
The requested page could not be found.
This could be because the link you clicked was not formed properly or because the page has been deleted.

 
ScottN  (An inch above the K/T boundary. But smth near fracking still has appeal.)
Aug 22, 2014 - 6:35am

 miamizsun wrote:
cross posted from tech and science

as i understand it (or from what i've read in the past) the vast majority of raw climate data/info is not digitized and/or available to share (as easily as it could/should be

)i think if frank or any scientist want more cred that they need to open up/digitized the raw data and the entire process

any project, especially if it is funded by the political process, should be completely and totally open and transparent

i'm thinking a project to share what is there and to digitize (and give) access to the remainder would be great (and not that difficult)

instead of trotting out conclusions show everyone the data and exactly how you got there (via your process, modeling, etc.)

make all of the info/data public (available to everyone)

i would open it all up (a form of crowd sourcing) and let's see where it goes

in science (and life) the process is always more important than the result

peace


 
Try here


 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
Aug 22, 2014 - 5:06am

cross posted from tech and science

as i understand it (or from what i've read in the past) the vast majority of raw climate data/info is not digitized and/or available to share (as easily as it could/should be

)i think if frank or any scientist want more cred that they need to open up/digitized the raw data and the entire process

any project, especially if it is funded by the political process, should be completely and totally open and transparent

i'm thinking a project to share what is there and to digitize (and give) access to the remainder would be great (and not that difficult)

instead of trotting out conclusions show everyone the data and exactly how you got there (via your process, modeling, etc.)

make all of the info/data public (available to everyone)

i would open it all up (a form of crowd sourcing) and let's see where it goes

in science (and life) the process is always more important than the result

peace

 
RichardPrins
Aug 20, 2014 - 11:34am

 marko86 wrote:
There is some irony that pollution, particulate pollution, was causing global dimming and shielded us some climate change, Air standards have gotten better, in most places like europe and here and the process is reversing. Of course with all the green house gasses, including the methane piling on, it's really moot point. I am of the the opinion we are past the tipping point.
 
Indeed. And yes, we likely are. Unless there will be some 'incredible' technological innovation that can quickly undo some of the damage done.
 
marko86  (North TX)
Aug 20, 2014 - 11:28am

 RichardPrins wrote:
Cities’ Air Problems Only Get Worse With Climate Change - NYTimes.com
The threats from climate change are many: extreme weather, shrinking snowpack, altered ecosystems and rising and more acidic seas, to name a few. Another lesser-known issue may hit especially close to home for city dwellers. In the world’s already smoggy metropolises, pollution is likely to grow worse, a phenomenon scientists have taken to calling the climate penalty.

Ozone is a key culprit. This lung-damaging compound, often formed from chemical reactions involving sunlight and automobile exhaust and other pollution, plagues major cities around the globe. As the climate heats up, it is projected that more ozone will form in polluted areas on sweltering days.

 



 

There is some irony that pollution, particulate pollution, was causing global dimming and shielded us some climate change, Air standards have gotten better, in most places like europe and here and the process is reversing. Of course with all the green house gasses, including the methane piling on, it's really moot point. I am of the the opinion we are past the tipping point.
 
RichardPrins
Aug 20, 2014 - 9:20am

Cities’ Air Problems Only Get Worse With Climate Change - NYTimes.com
The threats from climate change are many: extreme weather, shrinking snowpack, altered ecosystems and rising and more acidic seas, to name a few. Another lesser-known issue may hit especially close to home for city dwellers. In the world’s already smoggy metropolises, pollution is likely to grow worse, a phenomenon scientists have taken to calling the climate penalty.

Ozone is a key culprit. This lung-damaging compound, often formed from chemical reactions involving sunlight and automobile exhaust and other pollution, plagues major cities around the globe. As the climate heats up, it is projected that more ozone will form in polluted areas on sweltering days.

“You have a hot summer, you’re going to get a lot of ozone,” said Daniel Jacob, a professor of atmospheric chemistry and environmental engineering at Harvard.

The explanation lies in chemistry. Ozone, formed by a sunlight-aided reaction of volatile organic compounds with nitrogen oxides, is created more quickly at higher temperatures, as was evident during the European heat wave of 2003. Climate change will also make the air more stagnant in some areas like the East Coast of the United States, Dr. Jacob said, because with the Arctic getting warmer more quickly than the tropics, air circulation between those two regions will slow. In a warmer world, plants may also produce more emissions that are precursors to ozone.

In a 2009 paper in the journal Atmospheric Environment, Dr. Jacob and another researcher found that “climate change alone will increase summertime surface ozone in polluted regions by 1-10 parts per billion over the coming decades, with the largest effects in urban areas and during pollution episodes.” (The United States standard for ozone is 75 parts per billion, though many experts say it should be lower to protect health.)

But the projections for ozone are not uniformly bad. Scientists predict that the climate penalty will mainly affect already polluted cities, where ozone is formed locally. But because a warmer climate means more airborne water vapor, which can dismantle ozone through a series of chemical reactions, the background level of ozone — that not created by man — at the earth’s surface is expected to fall. This means that sparsely populated areas, which produce less pollution, may escape the climate penalty.

In Europe, for example, southern areas are expected to see climate change lead to higher ozone (assuming emissions stay the same), whereas the thinly populated Nordic region could feel no impact or even see improvements, according to Joakim Langner, an associate professor at the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute. Southern Europe not only produces more ozone-forming emissions, but it is also projected to become drier and sunnier, Dr. Langner said — conditions conducive to ozone formation.

In China, a similar regional split is expected to emerge. Eastern China, home to megacities like Shanghai and Beijing, is likely to see an increase in ozone problems, whereas western China can expect lower levels, scientists project. The ozone in western China is largely produced elsewhere, allowing water vapor in the atmosphere an opportunity to dismantle the ozone through a series of chemical reactions. (...)


 
sirdroseph  (Yes)
Aug 8, 2014 - 4:22am


 
RichardPrins
Aug 7, 2014 - 3:08pm

Conservative media is now just making things up about climate scientists
The Washington Times is claiming a NASA scientist cast doubt on global warming. Too bad that never happened
 
Global Warming Deniers Grow More Desperate By The Day | David Suzuki

(...) Personal attacks are common among deniers. Their lies are continually debunked, leaving them with no rational challenge to overwhelming scientific evidence that the world is warming and that humans are largely responsible. Comments under my columns about global warming include endless repetition of falsehoods like “there’s been no warming for 18 years”, “it’s the sun”, and references to “communist misanthropes”, “libtard warmers”, alarmists and worse…

Far worse. Katharine Hayhoe, director of Texas Tech’s Climate Science Center and an evangelical Christian, had her email inbox flooded with hate mail and threats after conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh denounced her, and right-wing blogger Mark Morano published her email address. “I got an email the other day so obscene I had to file a police report,” Hayhoe said in an interview on the Responding to Climate Change website. “They mentioned my child. It had all kinds of sexual perversions in it — it just makes your skin crawl.”

One email chastised her for taking “a man’s job” and called for her public execution, finishing with, “If you have a child, then women in the future will be even more leery of lying to get ahead, when they see your baby crying next to the basket next to the guillotine.”

Many attacks came from fellow Christians unable to accept that humans can affect “God’s creation”. That’s a belief held even by a few well-known scientists and others held up as climate experts, including Roy Spencer, David Legates and Canadian economist Ross McKitrick. They’ve signed the Cornwall Alliance's Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which says, “We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception.” This worldview predetermines their approach to the science.

Lest you think nasty, irrational comments are exclusively from fringe elements, remember the gathering place for most deniers, the Heartland Institute, has compared those who accept the evidence for human-caused climate change to terrorists. Similar language was used to describe the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a full-page ad in USA Today and Politico from the Environmental Policy Alliance, a front group set up by PR firm Berman and Company, which has attacked environmentalists, labour-rights advocates, health organizations — even Mothers Against Drunk Driving and the Humane Society — on behalf of funders and clients including Monsanto, Wendy’s and tobacco giant Phillip Morris. The terrorism meme was later picked up by Pennsylvania Republican congressman Mike Kelly.

Fortunately, most people don’t buy irrational attempts to disavow science. A Forum Research poll found 81 per cent of Canadians accept the reality of global warming, and 58 per cent agree it’s mostly human-caused. An Ipsos MORI poll found that, although the U.S. has a higher number of climate change deniers than 20 countries surveyed, 54 per cent of Americans believe in human-caused climate change. (Research also shows climate change denial is most prevalent in English-speaking countries, especially in areas “served” by media outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch, who rejects climate science.) (...)


 
RichardPrins
Aug 4, 2014 - 1:32pm

World's top PR companies rule out working with climate deniers
Ten firms say they will not represent clients that deny man-made climate change or seek to block emisson-reducing regulations

Some of the world’s top PR companies have for the first time publicly ruled out working with climate change deniers, marking a fundamental shift in the multi-billion dollar industry that has grown up around the issue of global warming.

Public relations firms have played a critical role over the years in framing the debate on climate change and its solutions – as well as the extensive disinformation campaigns launched to block those initiatives.

Now a number of the top 25 global PR firms have told the Guardian they will not represent clients who deny man-made climate change, or take campaigns seeking to block regulations limiting carbon pollution. Companies include WPP, Waggener Edstrom (WE) Worldwide, Weber Shandwick, Text100, and Finn Partners.

“We would not knowingly partner with a client who denies the existence of climate change,” said Rhian Rotz, spokesman for WE.

Weber Shandwick would also not take any campaign to block regulations cutting carbon emissions or promoting renewable energy. “We would not support a campaign that denies the existence and the threat posed by climate change, or efforts to obstruct regulations cutting greenhouse gas emissions and/or renewable energy standards,” spokeswoman Michelle Selesky said.

“There may be scenarios in which we could represent a client that has different views on climate change, just not on this issue.”

The UK-based WPP, the world’s largest advertising firm by revenue and parent company of Burson Marsteller and Oglivy Public Relations, said taking on a client or campaign disputing climate change would violate company guidelines. (...)


 
RichardPrins
Aug 1, 2014 - 2:40pm

Irony much?
Oil refinery threatened by sea-level rise, asks government to fix problem

I pointed out last week that the major oil companies are actually much more willing than Republican politicians to admit the reality of climate change. I offered a few explanations as to why, but left out an important one: If you’re in business, you simply cannot afford to ignore the effects of climate change. The oil industry in particular builds expensive infrastructure, and its scientists and engineers use the best available science to design, situate, and manage that infrastructure. After all, you cannot make smart plans to exploit newly accessible Arctic oil if you don’t admit that the polar ice cap is melting.

Here’s an ironic case in point, via the Sierra Club’s blog: An oil refinery in Delaware is asking taxpayers to pay for protecting it from rising sea levels. The refinery is on the waterfront, and rising tides and extreme storms could threaten it. The federal Coastal Zone Management Act provides grants to states for projects such as building out natural barriers, like dunes, to protect against storm surges. Delaware has such a program in place. And now the oil refinery, after contributing to climate change for more than 50 years , is coming with its hand out. Amy Roe, conservation chair of the Sierra Club’s Delaware chapter, writes:

In Delaware, severe storms are eroding the shoreline and affecting homes and businesses up and down the coast — including the business of an oil refinery. The functioning of the Delaware City Refining Company property just south of New Castle, a division of PBF Energy, is threatened by increasing extreme weather. In other words, climate disruption is hitting the doorstep of its source.

The refinery has tried to get help, submitting an application with the Coastal Zone Management Act seeking shoreline protections due to “tidal encroachment” — which is one way of saying sea level rise.

“The extent of the shoreline erosion has reached a point where facility infrastructure is at risk,” says the permit application from the company.

Roe goes on to argue that this facility is a particularly bad actor even by the standards of oil refineries since it is refining dirty tar sands oil. Moreover, its proposal could direct more storm surges toward Delaware City, the adjacent town. (...)


 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
Jul 26, 2014 - 8:42am

a look at solutions (and perspective)





 
RichardPrins
Jul 24, 2014 - 11:53am

The Strange Relationship Between Global Warming Denial and…Speaking English
Climate denial isn't a worldwide delusion. It's a distinctly Anglophone one.
Rupert Murdoch and David Koch, photographed shortly after speaking English to one another AP/PatrickMcMullan.com
 
RichardPrins
Jul 22, 2014 - 1:52pm

Climate Change Already Having Profound Impacts on Lakes in Europe
Photo: Lake Maggiore, Italy. Credit: mbdortmund, Wikimedia Commons.
Lake Maggiore in Italy is an example of a lake already feeling the effects of climate change. In the 1990s, the population of coldwater fish species such as trout and whitefish declined dramatically. Photo Credit: mbdortmund, Wikimedia Commons.

For perspective on how climate change is affecting lakes, those of us here in the U.S. can just look across the pond, where scientists and the agencies involved in meeting the European Union’s Water Framework Directive have amassed an impressive body of research on the topic.

Not only are extreme weather events such as droughts and intense rainstorms becoming more common, climate warming is leading to increased algal growth and more frequent toxic algal blooms. It also affects the entire aquatic food web, including the number, size and distribution of freshwater fish species, according to the latest research.

New evidence from studies in Europe shows that a warming climate, in particular, is already having a profound impact on lakes, according to Dr. Erik Jeppesen at Aarhus University in Denmark. As I have noted in earlier posts, this is an important issue because other studies show that lake temperatures are on the rise throughout the world.


 
miamizsun  ((3261.3 Miles SE of RP))
Jul 22, 2014 - 7:15am

 steeler wrote:
Explaining which resuts?
 
all of them?
 
kurtster  (counting flowers on the wall ...)
Jul 21, 2014 - 7:28pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Nation Apparently Believed in Science at Some Point
Historians studying archival photographs from four decades ago have come to the conclusion that the U.S. must have believed in science at some point. (...)


 
{#Snooty}  Photoshopped ...

Here's the real picture

 
 
Red_Dragon  (Redneck Nation)
Jul 21, 2014 - 7:25pm

oh shit.
 
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