For me, so far, the last of the truly great bands.

Never too much PT.
Never

Peace and tranquility - a worthy goal indeed.

Peace and tranquility to earth ..before it is recycled

fredriley wrote:

I did not deny Cambodia was bombed, and was in secret. Well, what exactly is the implication, Fred? That has been quite elusive with you. Why do you come here and spew hateful rants against the US? The American people supported the war. Why? If it was not for the stated purposes of stopping Stalinism then what was it for? Kick and giggles?

fredriley wrote:
I'm not quite sure where this conversation thread began, as I originally came here just to post something about the musicians, and happened to notice the rhetoric. But after reading - especially the post that seemed to 'slam' the others, I felt compelled to offer a little concrete information.

I can assure you, as someone who was actually there, that the U.S 'did' in fact try to eliminate Cambodia. The destruction, as well as, the prolonged - and calculated genocide was real, and horrific. As for the brief comment, referring to "gooks", I can assure you that these "gooks", as you called them, bled the same as we did, suffered horrifically - as any other human being would suffer, and died in as much pain, and fear, as any other human being. Keep in mind, also, that it was 'their' country that was being invaded. They were not invading us, nor were they even provoking us. What Nixon, and Kissinger, did - as well as many others in power, was very un-American. And many Americans died for these agendas, as well - and just as needlessly as those throughout southeast Asia.

fredriley wrote: Although I am not all that keen about a music-based site that veers into political discussions and digressions, the weight of evidence and honesty about the past lies with fred. The indisputable facts are that the US did conduct a hideous and unjustifiable war (secret, they thought)
in Cambodia that laid that impoverished country waste, and that this war and its attendant fallout did indeed lead to the rise of the Khmer Rouge. And indeed it was the esteemed Dr. Kissinger (beware those who insist on this honorific) along with the disgraceful and disgraced Nixon who, along with many sycophants, conducted this war. And, yes, the US has a great deal of responsibility for subsequent disasters that fragmented Cambodian society. Of course, it was Cambodians who did the evils on their own, so one cannot lay all the blame on the US.

rent The Deer Hunter..make u undastand.. kingart wrote:

westslope wrote:
WHAT?

.Gooks. Lots of dead gooks.

rdo wrote:
Fiction, huh? Ok, try reading William Shawcross's Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia (1979), which was widely praised at the time and goes into forensic detail about Nixon and Kissinger's secret war against Cambodia. The bombing of Cambodia really happened, 00s of 000s were killed and maimed, Agent Orange poisoned the land and the people for generations, and all this paved the way for the Khmer Rouge and their murderous regime. Shawcross was a liberal and is now an arch-conservative, so in tune with your thinking I'm sure. If you want to accuse him of writing fiction, go ahead. I'll happily watch and LMAO whilst you're taken to bits.

My post didn't even mention "lucre" and "wealth", so plainly you've got some hobbyhorse you want to ride that has nothing to do with me. Read what folk write, not what you think they write. And the next time you accuse anyone of lying, prove it or retract and STFU.

This reminds me of the famous Tom Lehrer quote: ""Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."

'because of what you have done
the heavens have become part of man's world'

RIP dick

cShaggy wrote:

..like the cover art..anybody know if the plastic wrap look is an actual effect on there?..curiously yers..

..ps: 8 > > 9 (with 10 coming quickly into view)..

Just tune in and I only heard the last notes of this song... Too bad! PT is my new find!

ShaunJ wrote:

Looking forward to getting that one. I saw The Incident tour 3 times (Cincy, Cleveland, and Ashville). I'm not a huge fan of that album, but I have lived and died by PT since 1996. I'll definitely be buying it in the next couple of weeks. I recently bought SW's Get All You Deserve- and it's just great. SW is having a blast with these session guys.

Deadwing wrote:
There is a killer version of Stars Die on the new cd Octane Twisted

Imkirok wrote:

Obviously, we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of all the myriad possibilities of the Universe.
We did take a first small step.
That in itself ended some of the mystery.

Deadwing wrote:
I think we're still a long way from the universe being demystified. In fact, considering the best we've done so far is to take pictures from telescopes and haven't even sent a person to the nearest planet, I don't think we've even scratched the surface.

fredriley wrote:
One of many priceless gems by you, Fred. The implication being of course that Nixon (and the US citizenry, by extension) did not really care about world peace. Instead, we were after all that lucre in Cambodia, and the extraordinary bounty of wealth we wanted to extract from SE Asia. Are you sure instead of history you shouldn't be writing fiction? You are a pretty good fiction writer. Yeah, American citizens support indiscriminate killing for no purpose except to line our pockets. That's the story of Vietnam. Uh huh.