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Posted: Dec 13, 2007 - 1:26pm

Here's a good example of a typical phenomenon in the Kermadec trench:



Apparently, earthquakes here very frequently occur in pairs.. How that? rather bizarre.

Also strange that there were no aftershocks to the biggie there in the top right.
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Posted: Nov 28, 2007 - 12:37am

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I'm pretty sure Donna Eberhart-Philips is one of you guys; I think she's still with GNS. Here's a nice, short poster that she co-authored re: the TVZ. It's a damn interesting place.

As for your question, Qp is generally considered P-wave attenuation, that is, the rate at which the P-wave dies out. This is generally measured over distance. The lower value for Qp reflects higher attenuation values. So, (here's two disclaimers- I haven't seen her video and I'm not a practicing seismologist) the water will tend to attenuate P-waves. I would imagine they are able to image the amount of water volatilizing off the slab by the P-wave attenuation.




Great! Thanks for the poster, that's exactly the same material she was using in her talk! She was trying to explain why the TVZ is the most prolific rhyolitic VZ in the world .. had something to do with the water migrating back up into the zone from depth and from the southwest of the North Island. (My guess, because we have both a rift and a subduction scenario going on, it kind of makes sense that the volatiles would migrate towards the path of least resistance..


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Posted: Nov 27, 2007 - 5:47pm

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WOW! I simply must go there. Thanks for the link!
No. Kidding.

Wow.
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Posted: Nov 27, 2007 - 4:19pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Geo, I'm getting my p's and q's muddled up..well that's overstating it..

just watched the USGS video from Eberhard-Philips UC Davis on the TVZ and tried to understand it.. She was talking of all the water coming off the subducted Pacific slab resulting in low Q... what is Q? Is this a seismic signal? (waves moving slowly in water-rich environments?)

.. and is there is still a lot of melt at shallow levels under the TVZ?


I'm pretty sure Donna Eberhart-Philips is one of you guys; I think she's still with GNS. Here's a nice, short poster that she co-authored re: the TVZ. It's a damn interesting place.

As for your question, Qp is generally considered P-wave attenuation, that is, the rate at which the P-wave dies out. This is generally measured over distance. The lower value for Qp reflects higher attenuation values. So, (here's two disclaimers- I haven't seen her video and I'm not a practicing seismologist) the water will tend to attenuate P-waves. I would imagine they are able to image the amount of water volatilizing off the slab by the P-wave attenuation.



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Posted: Nov 27, 2007 - 3:58pm

Geo, I'm getting my p's and q's muddled up..well that's overstating it..

just watched the USGS video from Eberhard-Philips UC Davis on the TVZ and tried to understand it.. She was talking of all the water coming off the subducted Pacific slab resulting in low Q... what is Q? Is this a seismic signal? (waves moving slowly in water-rich environments?)

.. and is there is still a lot of melt at shallow levels under the TVZ?
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Posted: Nov 27, 2007 - 12:59pm

Watch out, the Aussies are coming! Look at this!


(click here)
Talk about being in a rush.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 1:19pm

PS: which fault lines are you going to look at in NZ? I grew up north of Wellington and know the Tararuas quite well. My Dad spent years in the mountains, mostly down south and showed me around a bit.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 1:10pm

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NoEnz,

For the most part the slip (at depth) is converted to plastic deformation (folding) near the surface. As the fault slips (earthquake) the fold grows so there actually is deformation at the surface, it's just not discrete but more broadly distributed.

There are a couple types of blind thrust faults, fault propagation folds and fold bend folds. We have both types up here in northern coastal CA. They are also what occur in LA (that was the cause of the Northridge earthquake in 1994) and parts of New Zealand.

Here's a couple of pictures I use to illustrate basic blind thrusts in class. The first is a schematic diagram. The second is from a seismic section in the LA basin. Hopefully you can see the similarities. There's a lot of work being done on these structures right now (part of the reason I'm going to NZ soon).

Hope this helps.



Blind Thrust Schematic




Seismic section (the blue lines are deep wells used to confirm the seismic interpretation).


Wow, I've stumbled on to a veritable goldmine with you! That second picture is awesome..
(Trust me to bump straight into an expert! Just when you thought you'd left all the nincompoops behind you in class, you run into the same types here.. sorry about that..)

ok, let me see if I've understood that second picture.. The fault is obviously inclined the other way with the anticline riding up from the right .. what intrigues me is the grain of it.. how do you get this? does this correspond to the strata of the rock layers? and what do the light green lines on the right represent? are these areas of secondary faulting? And the well on the left.. is that slope due to movement (seems a bit too radical for that)?

Thanks for taking the time.. I really get off on this kind of stuff. Should really have studied it when I had the chance.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 12:44pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Geo I have another stupid question:

in a blind thrust earthquake, where do the rocks go? I mean you're not getting any surface rupture but you do have movement along the fault line.. Do the rocks just compress and stretch? I realize we are normally talking about a couple of miles here for them to do it but it still sounds kind of counter-intuitive.

PS thanks for the link to the aftershock.. that's also quite a heavy shake and shallower than the first.


NoEnz,

For the most part the slip (at depth) is converted to plastic deformation (folding) near the surface. As the fault slips (earthquake) the fold grows so there actually is deformation at the surface, it's just not discrete but more broadly distributed.

There are a couple types of blind thrust faults, fault propagation folds and fold bend folds. We have both types up here in northern coastal CA. They are also what occur in LA (that was the cause of the Northridge earthquake in 1994) and parts of New Zealand.

Here's a couple of pictures I use to illustrate basic blind thrusts in class. The first is a schematic diagram. The second is from a seismic section in the LA basin. Hopefully you can see the similarities. There's a lot of work being done on these structures right now (part of the reason I'm going to NZ soon).

Hope this helps.



Blind Thrust Schematic




Seismic section (the blue lines are deep wells used to confirm the seismic interpretation).

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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 9:38am

I am guessing there was a big something somewhere just five minutes ago cause all the NZ seismographs are showing a small signal... (he says slowly learning the art of reading these damn things )

EDIT this will be it:

Magnitude 5.8
Date-Time

* Thursday, November 15, 2007 at 17:18:22 UTC
* Friday, November 16, 2007 at 05:18:22 AM at epicenter

Location 22.842°S, 175.199°W
Depth 40.1 km (24.9 miles)
Region TONGA REGION
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 9:18am

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WOW! I simply must go there. Thanks for the link!


Great shots aren't they? I had posted the link before some time back but it's certainly worth posting again.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 9:13am

Geo I have another stupid question:

in a blind thrust earthquake, where do the rocks go? I mean you're not getting any surface rupture but you do have movement along the fault line.. Do the rocks just compress and stretch? I realize we are normally talking about a couple of miles here for them to do it but it still sounds kind of counter-intuitive.

PS thanks for the link to the aftershock.. that's also quite a heavy shake and shallower than the first.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 8:09am

== PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==

***This event supersedes event AT00176956.


Region: ANTOFAGASTA, CHILE
Geographic coordinates: 22.881S, 70.067W
Magnitude: 6.8 Mw
Depth: 35 km
Universal Time (UTC): 15 Nov 2007 15:06:00
Time near the Epicenter: 15 Nov 2007 12:06:00
Local standard time in your area: 15 Nov 2007 07:06:00

Location with respect to nearby cities:
93 km (58 miles) NNE (20 degrees) of Antofagasta, Chile
125 km (78 miles) WSW (250 degrees) of Calama, Chile
293 km (182 miles) S (179 degrees) of Iquique, Chile
1182 km (735 miles) N (3 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile


ADDITIONAL EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS
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event ID : US 2007jtaz

This event has been reviewed by a seismologist at NEIC
For subsequent updates, maps, and technical information, see:
Mw 6.8 aftershock info
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 8:07am

== PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==

***This event supersedes event AT00168525.


Region: ANTOFAGASTA, CHILE
Geographic coordinates: 22.189S, 69.843W
Magnitude: 7.7 Mw
Depth: 60 km
Universal Time (UTC): 14 Nov 2007 15:40:53
Time near the Epicenter: 14 Nov 2007 12:40:53
Local standard time in your area: 14 Nov 2007 07:40:00

Location with respect to nearby cities:
101 km (63 miles) WNW (290 degrees) of Calama, Chile
173 km (108 miles) NNE (19 degrees) of Antofagasta, Chile
218 km (135 miles) S (172 degrees) of Iquique, Chile
1260 km (783 miles) N (4 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile


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event ID : US 2007jsat

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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 7:46am

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The latest quake in Chile was centered in the Atacama Desert. Fortunately a very sparsely populated region and one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

Click through for one of the better slideshows in the net. It's worth it!


WOW! I simply must go there. Thanks for the link!
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 - 6:34am

The latest quake in Chile was centered in the Atacama Desert. Fortunately a very sparsely populated region and one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

Click through for one of the better slideshows in the net. It's worth it!
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Posted: Nov 7, 2007 - 2:35am

bingo!

Karst topography is a landscape shaped by the dissolution of a soluble layer or layers of bedrock, usually carbonate rock such as limestone or dolomite. These landscapes display distinctive surface features and underground drainages, and in some examples there may be little or no surface drainage. Some areas of karst topography, such as southern Missouri and northern Arkansas in the USA, are underlain by thousands of caves.



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Posted: Nov 7, 2007 - 2:30am

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

think I have to read up on karstic...


I think a quick google of "Karst" will do the trick!
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Posted: Nov 7, 2007 - 1:00am

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There also appears to be quite a lot of weathering expoiting what may be joints and bedding planes in the rock - the course of the stream is very straight. Water (or at least CO2 dissolved in the water to make a very mild acid) moving along such lines would make them stand out. Chemical weathering will also tend to round off and soften features. If they are in a cool enough climate, then freez-thaw might act further on the joints. Although if of a karstic nature, the rock probably wouldn't hold enough standing water.




think I have to read up on karstic...
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Posted: Nov 7, 2007 - 12:46am

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NoEnz, I'm not sure what's going on. I've looked through several records and have not found these events... curious.

Here's a realtime plot from the IRIS (Incorporated Research Institutions for Seismology) site. Although they get their data from the USGS it is comprehensive and verified. Are you getting your event data from geonet?




The problem doesn't seem to have been rectified yet.. or does the USGS site only post shallow earthquakes? Here is another recent quake from NZ that doesn't show up on the USGS site.

Reference Number 2818146/G
Universal Time November 6 2007 at 22:17
NZ Daylight Time Wednesday, November 7 2007 at 11:17 am
Latitude, Longitude 42.10°S, 172.89°E
Focal Depth 60 km
Richter magnitude 5.4



I heard that the USGS site got the San Jose quake muddled up with the data from the Fiordland quake before it went down... some gemlins at work?
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