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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 6:49am

Is it time to buy beans?
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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 6:42am

lou dobbs last night was in rare form calling paulson an idiot and other appropriate names. Paulson is a joke! i hope congress studies this crappy idea and hopefully deadlocks for a while. maybe some magic will occur and the markets will figure it out so the gov doesn't do this. BTW, the bailout includes funds going to FOREIGN BANKS! So the taxpayer now is bailing out corporations in other countries possibly!

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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 6:37am

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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 - 6:34am

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 8:42pm



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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 6:35pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
MsJudi wrote:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

...

the fact that Section 8 of the Paulson plan seems to strike few as a de facto dealbreaker can and should astound. The failure of Congress to hold the line on this point would be truly embarrassing. But if we make it through this week with nobody in the press specifically informing the public about the implications of this single sentence - in the middle of a complicated bill, in the middle of a complicated time - then right there, you have the single largest media failure of this year.


NPR's coverage this afternoon was not missing this point, and had quotes from many members of congress decrying the power grab.

"I think that Secretary Paulson has shown almost no understanding of how a democracy operates." Newt Gingrich on NPR

 


Chris Dodd, Connecticut Senator and Chair of the Senate Banking Committee, has an alternate proposal that seems superior ...  As posted in the "Meltdown Monday?" thread:

Alt-Ctrl-Tom wrote:
On it's face, the plan being proposed by Chris Dodd sounds superior to the Paulsen bailout proposal - since it gives the US an equity stake for the bad debt, it includes oversight, and it doesn't provide for executives of failed institutions to reap excessive compensation while their failing institutions are being saved.

Dodd Proposes Giving U.S. Equity Stake for Bad Debt
Chris Dodd and Barney Frank

Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) — Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd offered an alternative today to the Bush administration's financial rescue plan aimed at giving the U.S. Treasury an equity stake when it helps companies burdened by debt.

Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, is circulating a draft of his bill as Congress seeks to deal with a financial crisis that has been called the U.S.'s worst since the Great Depression.

The Bush administration is proposing a $700 billion plan to buy devalued assets from investment firms to keep the financial system from coming to a halt. Democrats have pledged to act quickly on the measure, even as they seek to create an oversight structure, limit the compensation of executives at the companies benefiting from the rescue and provide mortgage relief for struggling borrowers.

``We cannot just turn over $700 billion in taxpayer money and not insist that that taxpayer is going to be protected in this,'' Dodd told reporters yesterday.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has urged Congress to pass legislation without delay and without linking it to new programs.

``We need this to be clean and quick, and we need to get it in place,'' Paulson said yesterday in an interview with ABC News.

Equity Stake

The legislation requires Treasury to take an equity stake equal to the purchase price of the assets being bought. If the company isn't publicly traded, the government would take senior debt instead, placing it in the front of the line of debt holders for repayment in the event of a bankruptcy.

Dodd's proposal also would create a five-member oversight board to supervise the Treasury secretary's purchase and sale of distressed mortgage debt.

It would consist of the chairmen of the Federal Reserve, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the Securities and Exchange Commission as well as two members from the financial industry designated by congressional leaders.

The board would be authorized to set up a so-called credit review company consisting of Treasury employees to study the soundness of the purchases. Under the plan, the government would be required to obtain an equity stake equal to the value of the debt that is purchased from the companies, including those whose shares are not publicly traded. The Treasury secretary would also be required to issue weekly public reports on the amount of assets bought and sold by the U.S.

Penalize Executives

Dodd is proposing to penalize executives who take ``inappropriate or excessive'' risks. The executive compensation and severance packages could be reduced if that is ``in the public interest,'' the proposal says. It would also force executives to give back profits they earned that were based on company accounting measures that are later found to be inaccurate.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has supported giving shareholders a bigger say in executive compensation in the past, said today that taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for ``golden parachutes'' for officers of companies that have crumbled in upheaval on Wall Street.

``The senior executives of any firm that is bailed out by Treasury should not be making more than the highest paid government official,'' McCain said at a campaign event in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

The president is the highest paid federal official, with a salary of $400,000 a year.

U.S. Representative John Campbell, a California Republican and a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said that while he supports the Treasury proposal, he's willing to consider the creation of an oversight board and executive-pay limitations.

Committee Republicans plan to meet later today to discuss the issue, Campbell said.

``I don't think we have a lot of choice,'' Campbell said. ``And the consequences of doing nothing are unconscionable.''


I've contacted my representatives, and told them that I support the Dodd Plan over the Paulsen Bailout Fund, for these reasons.




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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 6:28pm

geoff_morphini wrote:

That was a scary interview! I have had few instances where I've agreed with Newt Gingrich but I must admit most of what he said there I believe to be true. I think we are in for a rough haul. If the Dems just wholesale cave on this they will be the ones to inherit the legacy of the fallout of this measure.


It skeered me a little, too. I agreed with him.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 5:42pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
MsJudi wrote:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

...

the fact that Section 8 of the Paulson plan seems to strike few as a de facto dealbreaker can and should astound. The failure of Congress to hold the line on this point would be truly embarrassing. But if we make it through this week with nobody in the press specifically informing the public about the implications of this single sentence - in the middle of a complicated bill, in the middle of a complicated time - then right there, you have the single largest media failure of this year.


NPR's coverage this afternoon was not missing this point, and had quotes from many members of congress decrying the power grab.

"I think that Secretary Paulson has shown almost no understanding of how a democracy operates." –Newt Gingrich on NPR

 
That was a scary interview!  I have had few instances where I've agreed with Newt Gingrich but I must admit most of what he said there I believe to be true.  I think we are in for a rough haul.  If the Dems just wholesale cave on this they will be the ones to inherit the legacy of the fallout of this measure.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 5:33pm

MsJudi wrote:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

...

the fact that Section 8 of the Paulson plan seems to strike few as a de facto dealbreaker can and should astound. The failure of Congress to hold the line on this point would be truly embarrassing. But if we make it through this week with nobody in the press specifically informing the public about the implications of this single sentence - in the middle of a complicated bill, in the middle of a complicated time - then right there, you have the single largest media failure of this year.


NPR's coverage this afternoon was not missing this point, and had quotes from many members of congress decrying the power grab.

"I think that Secretary Paulson has shown almost no understanding of how a democracy operates." –Newt Gingrich on NPR
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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 5:21pm

 geoff_morphini wrote:

Mr. Bokey, I'm just browsing now in the Internets and found your comment at www.radioparadise.com and it captured my interest i decided to drop few words to you.I'm Mr. Georgie Bush by name,please i will like us to hold a good relationship with a real love,I have a place called Guantanamo (I don't really know how to spell it, ha ha).  I'm happy to look at your profile today,you sound so gentle to me that was why i fell very much interested in writing you,contact me through my personal box(georgiedokiebush@whitiehouse.gov) I hear you wanna see me do some swinging.  Do you like swinging? also i will send my pictures to you so we can know more about each other,i will be happy to see your response my dear,age or colour even distance can't deny any genuine love,so please lets give our self a trial, oops, I don't really mean I want a trial, that could be bad.thanks till i hear from you Mister George.
 
{#Lol} {#Roflol} {#Notworthy}
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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 4:58pm

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    Is it Ok to say that if George Bush(either one) were every legally tried and found guilty of treason I would prefer public hanging without a hood as the prefered method of carrying out the sentence?{#Stupid}

 
Mr. Bokey, I'm just browsing now in the Internets and found your comment at www.radioparadise.com and it captured my interest i decided to drop few words to you.I'm Mr. Georgie Bush by name,please i will like us to hold a good relationship with a real love,I have a place called Guantanamo (I don't really know how to spell it, ha ha).  I'm happy to look at your profile today,you sound so gentle to me that was why i fell very much interested in writing you,contact me through my personal box(georgiedokiebush@whitiehouse.gov) I hear you wanna see me do some swinging.  Do you like swinging? also i will send my pictures to you so we can know more about each other,i will be happy to see your response my dear,age or colour even distance can't deny any genuine love,so please lets give our self a trial, oops, I don't really mean I want a trial, that could be bad.thanks till i hear from you Mister George.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 4:57pm

bwahahaha!!!
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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 4:54pm

Hey, can I get a Baloo, too?

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 4:51pm

Hey, can I get a halibut, too?
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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 4:42pm

Hell yeah, George!  Tack an extra $20k on that for me, will ya?  Chump change.
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    Is it Ok to say that if George Bush(either one) were every legally tried and found guilty of treason I would prefer public hanging without a hood as the prefered method of carrying out the sentence?{#Stupid}


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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 2:21pm

 shampa1n wrote:
let;s hope the grapes aren't too angry.
 
The terrifying thing is that they're very wrathful, indeed, and we are all going to participate in this fiasco whether we've ever had a bad debt or not (and I have not... in fact, I am debt-free except for a mortgage and a car payment, both of which I pay on time every damned month). This whole thing really does make me shake in my shoes every time I think about it.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 1:27pm

 rickhoran wrote:

do you think? its only been going on since NAFTA.
 
I think NAFTA was a deal to make American corporations better off, not American citizens. It had the effect of putting downward pressure on American wages by allowing American corps to rationalize their production in the North American market (ie, take advabtage of cheaper labour rates in Mexico.)

It would be interesting to see data that shows the overall impact of NAFTA, but it might be hard to sparate NAFTA effects from the effects of the larger globalization movement that has exported North American jobs to the vastly more inexpensive labour markets of East Asia and the Indian subcontinent. 

The problem is that the interests of gobal corporations and their shareholders may not jibe with the interests of the average American or Canadian citizen. There's an old saying that capital, like a stiff member, has no conscience. Sometimes you do need a government around to supervise the party.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 1:14pm

 owld_skipper wrote:
Are America's elected representatives selling out America?
 

 
no , they are buying it, to the tune of 1 trillion, it called nationalisation, an old socialist idea that rather went out of vogue long ago along with with good accounting!!!!

let;s hope the grapes aren't too angry.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 1:10pm

 owld_skipper wrote:
 MsJudi wrote:
Today in HuffPost:

Dirty Secret Of The Bailout: Thirty-Two Words That None Dare Utter- Jason Linkins
jason@huffingtonpost.com | HuffPost Reporting From DC

...

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

...


It's no wonder that commentators are talking about the "end of democracy". Are America's elected representatives selling out America?

 

 
do you think? its only been going on since NAFTA.

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