High Ranking Cartel Member Says Operation Fast And Furious Was Meant To Supply Guns To The Sinaloa Cartel

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 11:20am

Coaxial wrote:

And ranting on a radio station's website is going to do what exactly? {#Stupid}

Same thing ranting about Guantanamo or New Orleans or Romney's tax returns would: express an opinion.

That said, Islander's right: no need to ascribe malice or corruption where incompetence will suffice.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 11:10am

kurtster wrote:

a) this is just too incredulius to be fiction, imho. Knowing how the DEA operates and the ways of the criminal justice system when it cones to drugs, there are simply no boundaries.

b) I really don't care where it leads and who goes down. The article and the defense brief mentions arrangements dating back to 2004.

Let's find out, shall we ?

If we ignore this, then as far as corruption is concerned, the US has just become a bedroom suburb of Mexico. The same corruption exists, but the lawns are manicured and the roads are paved. Otherwise, there is no real difference. Just one side of the same town.

And ranting on a radio station's website is going to do what exactly? {#Stupid}

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 11:04am

islander wrote:

a) this reads like standard fare conspiracy theory stuff - there are pretty simple explanations that involve typical bureaucratic bungling and a reasonable premise gone awry when encountering the real world of people and circumstances. There would have been far simpler ways to arm a cartel if that was their goal.

b) While your level of outrage seems fairly consistent, your demands for heads to roll seems pretty limited to this administration. I predict 2.5 days until a declaration that this must have been authorized from the very top and and impeachment must commence now.

a) this is just too incredulius to be fiction, imho. Knowing how the DEA operates and the ways of the criminal justice system when it cones to drugs, there are simply no boundaries.

b) I really don't care where it leads and who goes down. The article and the defense brief mentions arrangements dating back to 2004.

Let's find out, shall we ?

If we ignore this, then as far as corruption is concerned, the US has just become a bedroom suburb of Mexico. The same corruption exists, but the lawns are manicured and the roads are paved. Otherwise, there is no real difference. Just one side of the same town.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:51am

islander wrote:

b) While your level of outrage seems fairly consistent, your demands for heads to roll seems pretty limited to this administration. I predict 2.5 days until a declaration that this must have been authorized from the very top and and impeachment must commence now.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:49am

kurtster wrote:

The more I learn about this, the sicker I feel about the true state of things in this country. This is beyond politics, this is institutional corruption.

I don't care where this leads and who goes down. I only care that this gets played all the way out and heads roll in this government within a government.

a) this reads like standard fare conspiracy theory stuff - there are pretty simple explanations that involve typical bureaucratic bungling and a reasonable premise gone awry when encountering the real world of people and circumstances. There would have been far simpler ways to arm a cartel if that was their goal.

b) While your level of outrage seems fairly consistent, your demands for heads to roll seems pretty limited to this administration. I predict 2.5 days until a declaration that this must have been authorized from the very top and and impeachment must commence now.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:45am

kurtster wrote:

Curiouser and curiouser ...

High Ranking Cartel Member Says Operation Fast And Furious Was Meant To Supply Guns To The Sinaloa Cartel

Sounds like a Hail Mary pass by the defense to me. The Sinaloa Cartel can buy any weapon it wants wholesale, they don't need to pay middlemen to buy them retail and smuggle them thru at least 6 other countries.

Hell, the Sinaloa cartel is building its own submarines. They absolutely do not need an incompetent federal agency's help buying guns.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:31am

oldslabsides wrote:

Pretty much nothing would surprise me with the ATF involved. It is a highly corrupt agency in a government filled with corrupt agencies.

The more I learn about this, the sicker I feel about the true state of things in this country. This is beyond politics, this is institutional corruption.

I don't care where this leads and who goes down. I only care that this gets played all the way out and heads roll in this government within a government.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:24am

kurtster wrote:

Curiouser and curiouser ...

High Ranking Cartel Member Says Operation Fast And Furious Was Meant To Supply Guns To The Sinaloa Cartel

Pretty much nothing would surprise me with the ATF involved. It is a highly corrupt agency in a government filled with corrupt agencies.

Posted: Aug 12, 2012 - 10:19am

Curiouser and curiouser ...

High Ranking Cartel Member Says Operation Fast And Furious Was Meant To Supply Guns To The Sinaloa Cartel

Posted: Jul 2, 2012 - 5:52pm

No 2nd Amendment hanky panky ?

Obama Contributor, Who Helped Enact Assault-Weapons Ban, Ran ‘Fast and Furious’

Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and a contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and then a member of Obama's transition team focusing on border-enforcement issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious.

Posted: Jun 28, 2012 - 10:34am

kurtster wrote:

Oh wow ! Isn't that the guy who registered his yacht in Rhode Island instead of Massachusetts to avoid paying $75,000 in taxes.
You know that he is 3 times ritcher than Romney, yet no one had any prollems with his wealth when he ran for prez.

Obviously somebody did if you recall he lost (I sure didn't vote for him either).

Posted: Jun 28, 2012 - 10:30am

kurtster wrote:

Oh wow ! Isn't that the guy who registered his yacht in Rhode Island instead of Massachusetts to avoid paying $75,000 in taxes.
You know that he is 3 times ritcher than Romney, yet no one had any prollems with his wealth when he ran for prez.

Its not wealth or greed when it's a Democrat.

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 4:30pm

Romulus wrote:

CNN and truth... color me skeptical.

Save some of that for Darrell Issa's pronouncements, perhaps???

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 2:18pm

romeotuma wrote:

Oh wow ! Isn't that the guy who registered his yacht in Rhode Island instead of Massachusetts to avoid paying $75,000 in taxes.
You know that he is 3 times ritcher than Romney, yet no one had any prollems with his wealth when he ran for prez.

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 1:53pm

romeotuma wrote:

This is brilliant journalism... the absurdity of Fast and Furious is going to backfire on the nutty Republicans...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal
by Katherine Eban
FORTUNE Magazine
June 27, 2012

Ummm, you might want to backscroll now and then.

This was put up by cc this morning. we've been commenting on it for a while now.

jussssss sayin ...

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 1:08pm

Lazy8 wrote:

islander wrote:

When Clinton was elected and again when Obama was elected, the fear/fervor factor caused people to horde weapons and bullets to the point there are shortages and price spikes. They never actually did much to restrict either, so it was unwarranted, but peoples reaction to the perception actually increases the number of privately held weapons and ammo. Ironically the restrictions are from the public behavior, not any liberal legislation.

Clinton actually tried quite a bit, and some pundits claim the gun control efforts in congress in the early '90s cost the Democrats control of both houses. It certainly mobilized the opposition. Clinton gave the NRA the momentum it has today. He learned his lesson and backed off, but only after getting burned.

Obama absorbed that lesson before even running. As with gay marriage we know where his heart is, regardless of what he says in public; he is too savvy a politician to waste political capital on a losing proposition. His appointees (especially to the courts) don't have to run for re-election tho.

We do know where there hearts are, and its not for the 2nd amendment. Gun control is a political liability anymore, so it doesn't happen out in the open, but that doesnt mean they wont try and further their agenda by exploiting a crisis, like blaming the 2nd a on 'Fast and Furious' and how they need to 'clamp down and regulate gun sales'.

"Never waste a good crisis" - Rahm Emanuel

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 10:36am

cc_rider wrote:

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

This is very interesting stuff. Summary: there is plenty of blame to go around. As always.

So, again, the biggest issue to me is how we have allowed these gun sales because the NRA thinks this is okay.

The government f'ed up.

The Wrong Right has, as usual, distorted the truth, lied, and made a big storm for their own political purposes.

The Wrong Right is living in their own reality, as usual.

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 10:24am

Romulus wrote:

Why would any liberal blog or news outlet post it? They don't want people armed with guns. They use the all powerful govt as a proxy in lieu of their personal gun.

Why wouldn't the msm report this? How about Fox? Don't believe everything you read, esp on some oddball blog.

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 10:07am

cc_rider wrote:

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

This is very interesting stuff. Summary: there is plenty of blame to go around. As always.

Just finished the entire article. As you said, very interesting.

Of particular note is that the author constantly cites indifference at the federal level, and heavlily at the DOJ. And we find out, if this article is correct, that the FBI was financing the bulk of these purchases. This all goes directly towards the DOJ.

I loosely agree with the article, that the local ATF operation in charge was set up for failure. Who organized this failure ? Clearly the DOJ had oversight. Clearly the DOJ did not administer it properly. Who runs the DOJ ?

Regardless of anything, the DOJ is in this up to its eyeballs and with Obama calling for executive privilege, it only casts more doubt not light on the subject. And what is taking the DOJ's Inspector General so long to complete his report ?
Edit: and those who claim election shenanigans, the House and Senate investigations started well over a year ago. Well before the coming election.

Posted: Jun 27, 2012 - 10:05am

islander wrote:

When Clinton was elected and again when Obama was elected, the fear/fervor factor caused people to horde weapons and bullets to the point there are shortages and price spikes. They never actually did much to restrict either, so it was unwarranted, but peoples reaction to the perception actually increases the number of privately held weapons and ammo. Ironically the restrictions are from the public behavior, not any liberal legislation.

Clinton actually tried quite a bit, and some pundits claim the gun control efforts in congress in the early '90s cost the Democrats control of both houses. It certainly mobilized the opposition. Clinton gave the NRA the momentum it has today. He learned his lesson and backed off, but only after getting burned.

Obama absorbed that lesson before even running. As with gay marriage we know where his heart is, regardless of what he says in public; he is too savvy a politician to waste political capital on a losing proposition. His appointees (especially to the courts) don't have to run for re-election tho.