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Posted: May 30, 2009 - 2:45pm

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Not true with the lexicon for any given modern language, for example, which tends to get bigger and more complex as time goes by. English itself is a famous example. Why, we have a word for everything.  And some modern languages are quite conservative grammatically, like Lithuanian, which proudly boasts all seven of the original Indo-European noun cases (wow, an instrumental case?!). Lithuanian also has the richest participle system of all I-E languages, with participles derived from all tenses with distinct active and passive forms, and several gerund forms. Sounds exhausting. Linguistic evolution isn't simply a progress from complexity to simplicity or vice versa; change can work in many different ways, some of them producing greater complexity, or leaving past complexity in place.

 
Would you say all that again in plain Ingrish?

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Posted: May 30, 2009 - 2:28pm

Actually I think it is OK to Hassle the Hoff.
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Posted: May 30, 2009 - 2:22pm

I'm big in Japan
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Posted: May 30, 2009 - 7:23am

 the term nerd was invented by Dr. Seuss
... in his 1950 book, "If I Ran the Zoo."
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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 1:20pm

FYI, Derek Bickerton's not just a gifted linguist and author; he's also the proud father of two famous sons:  Ashley Bickerton, an astoundingly talented and successful mixed-media artist, and James Bickerton, a Honolulu superlawyer whose skillful advocacy on environmental, free speech, and community issues has been instrumental in preserving our quality of life here in Hawaii.  (Ash and Jim are also amazing surfers . . . they travel all over the world chasing the best waves.)  {#Clap}
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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:56pm

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{#Cheers} Thanks, I now have the perfect gift for somebody!
 
You're very welcome.  It's a great read . . . that "somebody" will really enjoy it!  {#Sunny}
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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:55pm

justin_thyme wrote:

Speaking of languages: I recently finished re-reading Bastard Tongues by linguist Derek Bickerton. It's a fascinating and very entertaining exploration of the evolution of creole languages around the world — as much an adventure story as anything else. I heartily recommend it! Here's the Amazon link in case anyone's interested.

I'll have to check that out!  I read his book Language and Species when I was in college and really enjoyed it..   He is a good writer, too.  Keeps you engaged.

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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:44pm

 justin_thyme wrote:
Speaking of languages:  I recently finished re-reading Bastard Tongues by linguist Derek Bickerton.  It's a fascinating and very entertaining exploration of the evolution of creole languages around the world — as much an adventure story as anything else.  I heartily recommend it!  Here's the Amazon link in case anyone's interested.
 
{#Cheers} Thanks, I now have the perfect gift for somebody!

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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:16pm

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Languages tend to get simpler as they get older . . . .

 
Speaking of languages:  I recently finished re-reading Bastard Tongues by linguist Derek Bickerton.  It's a fascinating and very entertaining exploration of the evolution of creole languages around the world — as much an adventure story as anything else.  I heartily recommend it!  Here's the Amazon link in case anyone's interested.

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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:04pm

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Eating all this English toffee won't make me any less sleepy.


Sooooo wish I could help you!

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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:01pm

Eating all this English toffee won't make me any less sleepy.
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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 - 4:43am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Languages tend to get simpler as they get older, and the bits that fall off are the ones that carry no information. Like gender.
 

Not true with the lexicon for any given modern language, for example, which tends to get bigger and more complex as time goes by. English itself is a famous example. Why, we have a word for everything.  And some modern languages are quite conservative grammatically, like Lithuanian, which proudly boasts all seven of the original Indo-European noun cases (wow, an instrumental case?!). Lithuanian also has the richest participle system of all I-E languages, with participles derived from all tenses with distinct active and passive forms, and several gerund forms. Sounds exhausting. Linguistic evolution isn't simply a progress from complexity to simplicity or vice versa; change can work in many different ways, some of them producing greater complexity, or leaving past complexity in place.


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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 2:57pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Languages tend to get simpler as they get older, and the bits that fall off are the ones that carry no information. Like gender.

Numbering systems tend to get simpler too—counting in Mandarin is much simpler than in English, which is simpler than French.

French has a further disadvantage: l'Académie Française. The French language actually has a sort of governing body that decides what is French and what isn't, a sure-fire way to freeze the evolution of the language and doom it to the dustbin of history in a few centuries. Assuming anyone pays it any attention.
 


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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 2:52pm

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Latin? Three genders but no articles. Closely related to Greek, three genders with articles. Lithuanian has strongly inflected noun system, like those ancient languages, but with no article. Icelandic uses only postfixed definite articles. English, with a developed system of definite and indefinite article, is more sophisticated than most languages. Try to have a Russian speaker make a quick and easy distinction between "a (any) banana lassi" and "the (one under discussion) banana lassi" and you'll get my point. That Frenchman was un homme complètement fou!

And I am aware that articles are weakened demonstratives, but demonstratives (like the Latin ille which yields Spanish el)  are not used like articles in these languages!

 
Languages tend to get simpler as they get older, and the bits that fall off are the ones that carry no information. Like gender.

Numbering systems tend to get simpler too—counting in Mandarin is much simpler than in English, which is simpler than French.

French has a further disadvantage: l'Académie Française. The French language actually has a sort of governing body that decides what is French and what isn't, a sure-fire way to freeze the evolution of the language and doom it to the dustbin of history in a few centuries. Assuming anyone pays it any attention.

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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 2:41pm

 

 

Most people can not chew gum while simutaneously slapping their ass with both hands. {#Yes}

If someone offers to slap your ass while you chew gum, call the authorities.


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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 1:46pm

The current temperature at Newark Liberty Airport gate A18 is in the low 120's F.
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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 1:25pm

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I consider it boorish to look under a chair to see what gender it is.{#Snooty}

 
Chairs the world over appreciate this!

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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 1:23pm

 dionysius wrote:


Latin? Three genders but no articles. Closely related to Greek, three genders with articles. Lithuanian has strongly inflected noun system, like those ancient languages, but with no article. Icelandic uses only postfixed definite articles. English, with a developed system of definite and indefinite article, is more sophisticated than most languages. Try to have a Russian speaker make a quick and easy distinction between "a (any) banana lassi" and "the (one under discussion) banana lassi" and you'll get my point. That Frenchman was un homme complètement fou!

And I am aware that articles are weakened demonstratives, but demonstratives (like the Latin ille which yields Spanish el)  are not used like articles in these languages!


 
And crazy, too!

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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 1:09pm

 Welly wrote:
Billy G has a soft spot for Librarians {#Wink}

 

And who wouldn't?
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Posted: Dec 1, 2008 - 1:08pm

Billy G has a soft spot for Librarians {#Wink}
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