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Posted: Jan 28, 2013 - 8:41am

http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/31/yay-for-recess-pediatricians-say-its-as-important-as-math-or-reading/

Yay for Recess: Pediatricians Say It’s as Important as Math or Reading



Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/31/yay-for-recess-pediatricians-say-its-as-important-as-math-or-reading/#ixzz2JHzaaF26
it's about time. . . .

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Posted: Dec 11, 2012 - 7:52am

When Parents Have an Incentive for their Kids to Fail…


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Posted: Nov 10, 2012 - 8:25am

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I am a parent and no I have no idea what is involved.

 
It's not apparent that you're a parent.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2012 - 8:22am

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It's not excuses, it's empathy. Are you a parent, do you have any idea what is involved?

 

I am a parent and no I have no idea what is involved.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2012 - 7:08am

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Posted: Oct 11, 2012 - 5:25am

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Good for you.

 
and good for them too  {#Wink}


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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:44am

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btw I raised my children to live independently and they do that.

 

Good for you.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:34am

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Not that it's relevant, but yes, I am a parent.

If you want to express empathy, you should say, "I understand how difficult it is to give up the role of full time mother when your child grows up, but you're right, jagdriver, a good parent knows how important it is to encourage their adult children to stand on their own two feet".

 
Whatever, thanks for putting words in my mouth, it's the same. And it absolutely is relevant, because it's very easy for someone with no children to give advice to others.

Who am I to judge how people raise their kids?  

btw I raised my children to live independently and they do that.


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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 8:32am

 hippiechick wrote:

It's not excuses, it's empathy. Are you a parent, do you have any idea what is involved?

 

Not that it's relevant, but yes, I am a parent.

If you want to express empathy, you should say, "I understand how difficult it is to give up the role of full time mother when your child grows up, but you're right, jagdriver, a good parent knows how important it is to encourage their adult children to stand on their own two feet".
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Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 7:11am

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A good parent understands that a big part of the job of child rearing is helping kids to become independent (i.e. grow up to be mature adults).  No one ever said parenting was easy.  Don't make excuses for people who fail to appreciate how important it is to cut the umbilical cord when it's time.

 
It's not excuses, it's empathy. Are you a parent, do you have any idea what is involved?
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Posted: Oct 9, 2012 - 11:51pm

(...) Not only does neoliberalism undermine both civic education and public values and confuse education with training, it also treats knowledge as a product, promoting a neoliberal logic that views schools as malls, students as consumers, and faculty as entrepreneurs. It gets worse. As Stanley Aronowitz points out, (t)he absurd neoliberal idea that users should pay for every public good from parks and beaches to highways has reached education with a vengeance” as more and more students are forced to give up attending college because of skyrocketing tuition rates. In addition, thousands of students are now saddled with debts that will bankrupt their lives in the future. Unfortunately, one measure of this disinvestment in higher education as a public good can be seen in the fact that many states such as California are spending more on prisons than on higher education. Educating low income and poor minorities to be engaged citizens has been undermined by an unholy alliance of law and order conservatives, private prison corporations, and prison guard unions along with the rise of the punishing state, all of whom have an invested interest in locking more people up, especially poor minority youth, rather than educating them. It is no coincidence that as the U.S., and Canada to a lesser degree, disinvests in the institutions fundamental to a democracy, it has invested heavily in the rise of the prison-industrial complex, and the punishing-surveillance state. The social costs of prioritizing punishing over educating is clear in one shocking statistic provided by a recent study which states that “by age 23, almost a third of Americans or 30.2 percent have been arrested for a crime…that researches say is a measure of growing exposure to the criminal justice system in everyday life.” (...)

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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 1:02pm

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It's very difficult to give up the role of mother when your kids grow up.

 
A good parent understands that a big part of the job of child rearing is helping kids to become independent (i.e. grow up to be mature adults).  No one ever said parenting was easy.  Don't make excuses for people who fail to appreciate how important it is to cut the umbilical cord when it's time.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 12:13pm

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Totally. The first thing that needs to happen is for helicopter mom to back off and let him grow up unimpeded. He isn't "her little boy" anymore, although she refuses to accept that and encourages their uber-dependency.

 
It's very difficult to give up the role of mother when your kids grow up.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:54am

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I agree with both assessments. If not the Navy, he really belongs at a two-year community college or a vocational school.

 

Everyone is different and in this day and age 4 year degrees except for medical or engineering are basically not even worth the investment.  Personally I used my 4 years to party like a rock star though I still maintained my grades, I regret nothing.{#Lol}
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:48am

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As a previous educator I can tell you that there are all sorts of reasons for not being a reader, and that the person should not be blamed. 

Sounds like he needs some life experience. I know that when I went away to school, I was completely incapable of planning my own life and totally freaked out. 
 
Totally. The first thing that needs to happen is for helicopter mom to back off and let him grow up unimpeded. He isn't "her little boy" anymore, although she refuses to accept that and encourages their uber-dependency.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:46am

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Literacy is an important skill, but you can be an avid reader full of book learning and still be a dope (see Clevinger)   Agreed.

Your grandson's grandnephew's struggles may be due to his not liking reading much, but there are a lot of other possibilities that could explain it.  Maybe he's not mature enough for college yet.  Maybe he's just not well suited to attending a four year university.

 
I agree with both assessments. If not the Navy, he really belongs at a two-year community college or a vocational school.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:36am

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There are any number of problems with grand educational reform efforts, but the biggest is this: they ignore the people who actually do it, and do it well.

Most efforts have been gimmicks based on theories developed in academia, adopted without verification. When you march into a classroom headed by a teacher who is already effective and hand him/her a new curriculum designed to correct his/her presumed abysmal performance...you'll get that teacher to quit. Hand it to an uncreative dolt and s/he'll say "Sure, whatever, put it on the pile on my desk."

 

It's true that top-down educational reforms often tend to be based on a "we know best how you should run your classroom" approach.  I think oa few educational researchers looking at how to improve education have figured out that effective teachers come in all shapes and sizes; some take a traditional approach to learning, some a more progressive approach.  So there's no easy or uniform way to grow effective and talented teachers, and that's why top-down educational reform is a myth.


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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:31am

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He is not one to party at all. Actually, he comes from a rural area and hasn't traveled much at all. He's extremely naive about the world and knows next-to-nothing about geography. After initially flunking the Navy test, I'm told he retook it and passed yesterday. I really think that's his best hope, in that he has a helicopter mom (always hovering), has never been away from home and needs to get wise to the world.

EDIT: Still, reading is critical. If if one is an auditory learner, one cannot write if one cannot read. And there will be college papers to write.

 
As a previous educator I can tell you that there are all sorts of reasons for not being a reader, and that the person should not be blamed. 

Sounds like he needs some life experience. I know that when I went away to school, I was completely incapable of planning my own life and totally freaked out. 
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:27am

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My grandnephew is in his first year at Central Michigan university and isn't doing well. Why? 

He's not a reader. His parents aren't readers.

When I grew up, we had books, magazines and newspapers galore. In my case, I read more novels (Vonnegut, Kerouac, Wolfe, etc.) for pleasure due to peer pressure (OK, there was this girl....). Oh, and as kids, my wife and I would go out in the yard and event games or build stuff with sticks or whatever. This nurtured the creative process in an immeasurable way.

Reading is absolutely essential! Kids raised exclusively on the latest electronic games, iPods and other gadgets are doomed to failure.

 
Literacy is an important skill, but you can be an avid reader full of book learning and still be a dope (see Clevinger)

If getting kids interested in reading for pleasure was the problem, the many attempts at encouraging reading (such as the D.E.A.R. program they tried in my kids' school)  would have solved things, I would think.

These kind of literacy focus efforts almost always produce moderate increases in literacy test scores and other measures in elementary school, but by middle school and high school such gains have pretty much evaporated.

Your grandson's struggles may be due to his not liking reading much, but there are a lot of other possibilities that could explain it.  Maybe he's not mature enough for college yet.  Maybe he's just not well suited to attending a four year university.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2012 - 11:27am

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That's always the problem with educational reform on a grand scale, isn't it?  Efforts to "filter up" approaches that worked in one setting (think of any model school you like) never translate on a big or widespread scale.

There are any number of problems with grand educational reform efforts, but the biggest is this: they ignore the people who actually do it, and do it well.

Most efforts have been gimmicks based on theories developed in academia, adopted without verification. When you march into a classroom headed by a teacher who is already effective and hand him/her a new curriculum designed to correct his/her presumed abysmal performance...you'll get that teacher to quit. Hand it to an uncreative dolt and s/he'll say "Sure, whatever, put it on the pile on my desk."
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