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Posted: Feb 20, 2017 - 11:54am

 haresfur wrote:
Depends on the amount of malt, too. You can put a lot of hops in an Imperial Stout without puckering your face. Then there's the difference between hop bitterness, flavour, and aroma...

But yeah, it can be way overdone. 

It also depends on what you call "hoppy".

The bitterness in hops comes from alpha acids, and the IBUs that brewers use is a measure of that. The aroma is altogether different—it comes from volatile compounds that boil off when the wort is boiled. To get a lot of hop aroma you add the hops later in the boil, to get more flavor and less aroma you add them earlier, and to extract more alpha acids you add them at the start of the boil. Alpha acids take time and heat to extract and chemically react with other compounds. The timing, varieties, and quantities of hops added during the boil is called the hop schedule.

There are a very few beers every enthusiast should calibrate him/herself on. One of these is Pilsner Urquell, the original pilsner. It has a phenomenal hop schedule—huge amounts, added at many intervals—but the variety used is Saaz, a low alpha acid breed native to the region. The hop flavor and aroma of this beer is beguiling but it's not particularly bitter.

There are a lot of brewers these days riding the IPA bandwagon for commercial reasons but who don't want to scorch your taste buds. They make extremely aromatic beers. Lagunitas is one of the best at it, as is Dogfish Head. Unfortunately they get lumped in with breweries like Sierra Nevada as making "hoppy" beer.

There are people who genuinely enjoy bitter flavors. There are people who enjoy hop aroma. We've just got to get them to agree on terms to describe beer so that both don't get convolved into the the word "hoppy".
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 8:13pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

SNPA is too hoppy. Only 37 IBU, which tells me that that scale is bullshit. All I taste with SNPA is resin. Get hold of something else with a bigger IBU and it might be much more smooth and drinkable. Or don't. There's a world of great beers out there right now. We live in wonderful times, our minority president notwithstanding.

 
Depends on the amount of malt, too. You can put a lot of hops in an Imperial Stout without puckering your face. Then there's the difference between hop bitterness, flavour, and aroma...

But yeah, it can be way overdone. 
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 7:37pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Yes, everyone's palate is different. Personally, I've found IPA's and any beer claiming to be hoppy to be bitter and - for me - undrinkable.

 
Have you tried letting the IPA warm up a little in a glass? That makes a too-bitter hoppy taste open up and sweeten for my taste buds.  
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 5:47pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

SNPA is too hoppy. Only 37 IBU, which tells me that that scale is bullshit. All I taste with SNPA is resin. Get hold of something else with a bigger IBU and it might be much more smooth and drinkable. Or don't. There's a world of great beers out there right now. We live in wonderful times, our minority president notwithstanding.

 
Yes, everyone's palate is different. Personally, I've found IPA's and any beer claiming to be hoppy to be bitter and - for me - undrinkable.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 5:43pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I've yet to try a beer hoppier than SNPA that I like. I'm just not that into the bitters.

 
SNPA is too hoppy. Only 37 IBU, which tells me that that scale is bullshit. All I taste with SNPA is resin. Get hold of something else with a bigger IBU and it might be much more smooth and drinkable. Or don't. There's a world of great beers out there right now. We live in wonderful times, our minority president notwithstanding.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 5:28pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

2013 article I'm sure has been posted here before. She makes some assumptions I don't care for. As the wise man said, 90% of everything is crap. So if someone makes a hoppy beer and people love it, it will be copied by brewers who might not know what they're doing. There are lightly-hopped beers that taste like a skunk's hinder, and there are intensely hopped beers that are wonderful. /debunk

 
I've yet to try a beer hoppier than SNPA that I like. I'm just not that into the bitters.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 5:19pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
2013 article I'm sure has been posted here before. She makes some assumptions I don't care for. As the wise man said, 90% of everything is crap. So if someone makes a hoppy beer and people love it, it will be copied by brewers who might not know what they're doing. There are lightly-hopped beers that taste like a skunk's hinder, and there are intensely hopped beers that are wonderful. /debunk
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Posted: Feb 18, 2017 - 4:49pm

hear! hear!
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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 10:36am

 Proclivities wrote:

I haven't seen any Arcadia beers around here yet; I've read about them, I guess they have different distributors than Bell's.

 
due to popularity Arcadia had to scale back their distribution area because they couldn't meet demand
they're in a new larger brewery now
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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 10:27am

Our Nut Brown Ale is a British Inspired Brown Ale. This medium bodied ale is rich and smooth, boasting lots of roasted coffee & chocolate notes.
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Nut Brown Ale is a British Inspired Brown Ale. This medium bodied ale is rich and smooth, boasting lots of roasted coffee & chocolate notes.

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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 10:21am

 Skydog wrote:
speaking of MI beers, Arcadia Ales Hopmouth is my favorite
it's a double IPA but you wouldn't know it from the taste
they use a Scottish ale yeast , it pairs well with any food
I find my alcohol consuption the last couple of years seems to be overwhelmingly with food
I have gotten out of the habit of drinking just for drinking's sake
their brewery is not to far from me and I went on a tour of the place a few years ago
 Image result for arcadia hop mouth

 
I haven't seen any Arcadia beers around here yet; I've read about them, I guess they have different distributors than Bell's.
I had some of this Great-Lakes-Region (Chicago) beer recently:
gip
Tasty stuff, I liked it better than their other varieties, but they're all pretty good "drinking beers". 
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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 9:46am

speaking of MI beers, Arcadia Ales Hopmouth is my favorite
it's a double IPA but you wouldn't know it from the taste
they use a Scottish ale yeast , it pairs well with any food
I find my alcohol consuption the last couple of years seems to be overwhelmingly with food
I have gotten out of the habit of drinking just for drinking's sake
their brewery is not to far from me and I went on a tour of the place a few years ago
 Image result for arcadia hop mouth
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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 9:37am

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 Proclivities wrote:
 I haven't had either of those; I'll have to try to find them.  Some of the "western" beers don't make their way here but I've been seeing them more often than a few years ago.  I guess the trout theme is more popular than I thought.


This one is a bit closer to us. We get it in Kentucky.
 
...

 
Yes, I buy that pretty often.  It's a little more expensive but worth it - one of my favorites.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 9:00am

 Proclivities wrote:
 I haven't had either of those; I'll have to try to find them.  Some of the "western" beers don't make their way here but I've been seeing them more often than a few years ago.  I guess the trout theme is more popular than I thought.


This one is a bit closer to us. We get it in Kentucky.
 
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Posted: Feb 4, 2017 - 8:55am


household counter tap....
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Posted: Jan 30, 2017 - 8:23am

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grandma's bedtime stories were the best


 

 
 
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Posted: Jan 30, 2017 - 4:04am

 Proclivities wrote:
 I haven't had either of those; I'll have to try to find them.  Some of the "western" beers don't make their way here but I've been seeing them more often than a few years ago.  I guess the trout theme is more popular than I thought.


grandma always said "a hint of trout squeezins can bring out the best in a wild ale"

"in the old days we actually raised trout in beer and then drank it"

which led to the great over-trouting rebellion of the 30's in boise

for the longest, i never knew what she meant when yelled "damn the grizzlies" before downing a pint

grandma's bedtime stories were the best

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Posted: Jan 29, 2017 - 9:25pm

 Proclivities wrote:
 I haven't had either of those; I'll have to try to find them.  Some of the "western" beers don't make their way here but I've been seeing them more often than a few years ago.  I guess the trout theme is more popular than I thought.

If you can find anything Bayern makes try it. Never had a beer from them I didn't like.
 


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Posted: Jan 29, 2017 - 12:07pm

 Proclivities wrote:
beers

 


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Posted: Jan 29, 2017 - 6:52am

 Lazy8 wrote:
is it as good as 
dancing trout

or even
trout slayer?

'Cuz then it's pretty good.  


I haven't had either of those; I'll have to try to find them.  Some of the "western" beers don't make their way here but I've been seeing them more often than a few years ago.  I guess the trout theme is more popular than I thought.
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