I might add that here, there are a limited number of licenses of any kind. Have a license but don't want to run a liquor store, just a bar? Still have to have a full license. Want to only do retail, no bar, no restaurant. Still have to have a full license. So there are liquor stores with no bar, no restaurant, but they're taking a full license. Want to open a restaurant and serve cocktails? Not until you talk that guy out of his license. You can get a restaurant liquor license that limits you to serving drinks with food, but for the most part, if you've got the money to open that restaurant, you can buy out a smaller place that's been around forever just to get the full license. Our town has several package liquor stores but they're all affiliated with gas stations or bars. Not one that is a specialist in retail. One place does a good job but they're beholden to the distributors and can't just order in a keg of micro from the local place without it going thru the distributor. So anyway, one liquor store in a town of 7000 +rurals so there's a great market, especially on the other end of town where the growth has happened for the last couple of decades, but the licenses are all tied up in failing restaurants.
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Do it under Justine's name in case there are governmental retributions.I mean,if somebodies going to the slammer for your beliefs,you don't want it to be you,do you?
Do it under Justine's name in case there are governmental retributions.I mean,if somebodies going to the slammer for your beliefs,you don't want it to be you,do you?
I might add that here, there are a limited number of licenses of any kind. Have a license but don't want to run a liquor store, just a bar? Still have to have a full license. Want to only do retail, no bar, no restaurant. Still have to have a full license. So there are liquor stores with no bar, no restaurant, but they're taking a full license. Want to open a restaurant and serve cocktails? Not until you talk that guy out of his license. You can get a restaurant liquor license that limits you to serving drinks with food, but for the most part, if you've got the money to open that restaurant, you can buy out a smaller place that's been around forever just to get the full license. Our town has several package liquor stores but they're all affiliated with gas stations or bars. Not one that is a specialist in retail. One place does a good job but they're beholden to the distributors and can't just order in a keg of micro from the local place without it going thru the distributor. So anyway, one liquor store in a town of 7000 +rurals so there's a great market, especially on the other end of town where the growth has happened for the last couple of decades, but the licenses are all tied up in failing restaurants.
Many of the state’s brewers have embraced a law that lets them open tasting rooms without a liquor license, but some say the tap rooms are bars by another name.
I say the licenses should be freely available and competition opened up to all comers. The first thing that would fail is the Casinos, which every bar puts in to try to supplement their bottom line. As soon as a bar was able to open without such high overhead, they wouldn't feel the pressure to put poker machines in every corner and they'd attract people who go to bars for actual cocktails and good beer.
I know a barman who retired on the sale of his liquor license. The town it's in has 200 people, maybe 1,000 when the rodeo is on.
The tavern owners want licenses kept rare and geographically limited as a restraint on trade, and the idea gets sold as a way to limit access to alcohol. The combination of self-interest and nanny state has carried the day up to now, but the microbrewery revolution blindsided both.
We have 96 state-licensed liquor stores for the whole state. Their operation was privatized years ago but they are state-owned and prices are set by the state. These shops sell to all the other bars and liquor stores (which have on-site consumption licenses). These shops control the sale of hard liquor, which made the business simple: hard liquor in bars and state liquor stores, beer and wine at the grocery stores and gas stations.
Enter the craft distilleries.
Three of 'em will be open in my county by the end of 2015 (there are two now). They are opening so fast nobody can keep track statewide, at least there is no (accurate) published list.
The tavern owners are howling, and they have a point. They borrowed the money to buy the licenses they have, and now competition that didn't have that expense is undercutting them. I'd love to see the end of this cronyism but it will have to be gradual or people who played by the old rules will get screwed. The tavern owners are dragging their feet, which is only going to make the transition harder.
For those of us on the other end of the pipeline...life is good. We have fantastic access to good beer, decent wineries, and well um...improving distilleries. For the tavern owners the end is nigh. I feel for them, but not enough to go back to a choice of three bad beers.
Well said and I agree. In fact I want to copy/paste this to my state legislators because our system is run by the same cronies.
Many of the state’s brewers have embraced a law that lets them open tasting rooms without a liquor license, but some say the tap rooms are bars by another name.
I say the licenses should be freely available and competition opened up to all comers. The first thing that would fail is the Casinos, which every bar puts in to try to supplement their bottom line. As soon as a bar was able to open without such high overhead, they wouldn't feel the pressure to put poker machines in every corner and they'd attract people who go to bars for actual cocktails and good beer.
I know a barman who retired on the sale of his liquor license. The town it's in has 200 people, maybe 1,000 when the rodeo is on.
The tavern owners want licenses kept rare and geographically limited as a restraint on trade, and the idea gets sold as a way to limit access to alcohol. The combination of self-interest and nanny state has carried the day up to now, but the microbrewery revolution blindsided both.
We have 96 state-licensed liquor stores for the whole state. Their operation was privatized years ago but they are state-owned and prices are set by the state. These shops sell to all the other bars and liquor stores (which have on-site consumption licenses). These shops control the sale of hard liquor, which made the business simple: hard liquor in bars and state liquor stores, beer and wine at the grocery stores and gas stations.
Enter the craft distilleries.
Three of 'em will be open in my county by the end of 2015 (there are two now). They are opening so fast nobody can keep track statewide, at least there is no (accurate) published list.
The tavern owners are howling, and they have a point. They borrowed the money to buy the licenses they have, and now competition that didn't have that expense is undercutting them. I'd love to see the end of this cronyism but it will have to be gradual or people who played by the old rules will get screwed. The tavern owners are dragging their feet, which is only going to make the transition harder.
For those of us on the other end of the pipeline...life is good. We have fantastic access to good beer, decent wineries, and well um...improving distilleries. For the tavern owners the end is nigh. I feel for them, but not enough to go back to a choice of three bad beers.
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Many of the state’s brewers have embraced a law that lets them open tasting rooms without a liquor license, but some say the tap rooms are bars by another name.
I say the licenses should be freely available and competition opened up to all comers. The first thing that would fail is the Casinos, which every bar puts in to try to supplement their bottom line. As soon as a bar was able to open without such high overhead, they wouldn't feel the pressure to put poker machines in every corner and they'd attract people who go to bars for actual cocktails and good beer.
There are a few "tasting" beer shops around here with limits to one or two per person, but the majority of the nearby breweries seem to have their own taverns or restaurants. Some have tasting rooms but it's easier to encourage people to sit down in the actual bar. I could see pub owners being annoyed by having to shell out money for a license while these other guys shirk it though. A lot of this area was "dry" until relatively recently, so there are likely more stringent rules here.
Many of the state’s brewers have embraced a law that lets them open tasting rooms without a liquor license, but some say the tap rooms are bars by another name.
I say the licenses should be freely available and competition opened up to all comers. The first thing that would fail is the Casinos, which every bar puts in to try to supplement their bottom line. As soon as a bar was able to open without such high overhead, they wouldn't feel the pressure to put poker machines in every corner and they'd attract people who go to bars for actual cocktails and good beer.
No, but it would be a fun gig illustrating or designing beer labels. They're not far from where I live, maybe I should contact them. Yes, Scott, I did post something about another one of their beers a few months back (Hefeweisen), and your response was similar.
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No, but it would be a fun gig illustrating or designing beer labels. They're not far from where I live, maybe I should contact them. Yes, Scott, I did post something about another one of their beers a few months back (Hefeweisen), and your response was similar.
I may have put this beer up here a while ago. I've been drinking it during the holidays, my local has it on tap - really tasty stuff, good brewery.
I think you did post about them; I probably followed up with: They're the brewery that sponsored a Ringorang game way back when. I won some beer and swag from them... sent the coupon to Down Home Girl...
I may have put this beer up here a while ago. I've been drinking it during the holidays, my local has it on tap - really tasty stuff, good brewery.
A brewery just a few miles from where I live also makes a nice brown ale. I recommend trying it if you see it up in N.C. I'm starting to see Red Hare's brews in restaurants all over town. SirD, their lager (also very good) is sold at Kroger.
Was pleasantly surprised with this, I usually do not like choclatey ales but this one was done quite subtly and is one smooth beer for 9.4%. Excellent ringing in the New Year's brew if you are looking to just drink one.
SirD, their lager (also very good) is sold at Kroger.
