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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 1:13pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
It didn't bother me until recently (some people have much shorter fuses) but...

Leading off a sentence with "So."

I understand its role. Same as 

Well,...
Okay,...
See,...
You know,...
Like,...
Um...
The thing is,...

 
And we'll all get used to it so it's not so obvious but for the last couple of months you couldn't annoy me more if you snapped me in the eyeball with a rubber band. Okay that's a lie. But still.

Every time NPR interviews another reporter about something (or less frequently one of their guests), the studio will say,
"our gardening reporter Cindy Cabbage is here to tell us about blight. What's the deal with blight, Cindy?"
"So. Blight is this thing, that happens?"
"And is it always going to be a thing?"
"So we don't know, but probably (vocal fry)"
"What can we do about blight?"
"So, experts suggest instant potatoes ew."

 
Been thinking about that, now that you brought it up. It's not so much the use of the word as much as the overuse of it. I recall hearing an interview on the radio one day and every statement from the interviewee started with, "So". Annoying as hell. No different, I guess, than "Well" or "You know". Especially when it's not well or I don't know.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 12:37pm

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I'd like to know the source of his linguistic research of spoken language but also what is meant by "spoken language" - just people speaking to one another, like a casual interview with Carson or Cavett, or people speaking while broadcasting news?  Also, as you said, the context of how it is used is important, and probably not differentiated by that data.  I noticed a marked increase in its use on NPR in particular, long before I'd heard it brought up by anyone else, so his confirmation bias theory doesn't work for me either.  I can't imagine that David Brinkley or Walter Cronkite started many stories with "so".  The vocal fry thing doesn't bother me so much; I sort of like Eleanor Beardsley's voice, though I was disappointed when I saw her picture: I was expecting a woman with a beret, a striped turtleneck, and round, tinted glasses.

 
There certainly has been a marked increase in the last 2 or 3 years. I just think it's kind of unimaginative at its worst so I suppose its not really harmful. It seems to be the latest example of captive over usage of a word; almost involuntary and without thinking. Slang seems to get a pass in that category. Maybe a course of study in descriptive broadcast journalism could be created. There are plenty of examples of the past to listen to and learn from. The radio days gave us so much; Red Barber could put you in the stands for instance. Imagine how crazy it would be if print media used the word 'so' at every possible bridge. Anyway...


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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 12:19pm

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His footnotes, caveats, interpretations are pretty good. But it's definitely "in vogue" right now. The statistics probably can't discern between a legitimate use "So the books don't get wet, please take them indoors" or in place of "therefore," etc. and just "So. The President is in France." Anyway. Give so a rest.

 
I'd like to know the source of his linguistic research of spoken language but also what is meant by "spoken language" - just people speaking to one another (like a casual interview with Carson or Cavett), or people speaking while broadcasting news?  It's probably both.  Also, as you said, the context of how it is used is important, and probably not differentiated by the data.  I noticed a marked increase in its use on NPR in particular, long before I'd heard it brought up by anyone else, so his confirmation bias theory doesn't work for me either.  I don't remember David Brinkley or Walter Cronkite starting many stories with "so".  I guess it has replaced "well" as an introductory word to a lot of folks.  The vocal fry thing doesn't bother me so much; I sort of like Eleanor Beardsley's voice, though I was disappointed when I saw her picture: I was expecting a woman with a beret, a striped turtleneck, and round, tinted glasses.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 12:14pm

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Yes... this makes me stabby as well.

 
Aw. Little lizard is cute in his rage of rouge...
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 12:08pm

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How do you ask that question without using an interrogative? It doesn't seem to fit with your other examples.

Or mayhaps I'm confused - was this more about the responses?

 
Yes, it was supposed to be a back-and-forth conversation there. I tried to get away with doing the conversation Roddy Doyle-style.

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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 12:05pm

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His footnotes, caveats, interpretations are pretty good. But it's definitely "in vogue" right now. The statistics probably can't discern between a legitimate use "So the books don't get wet, please take them indoors" or in place of "therefore," etc. and just "So. The President is in France." Anyway. Give so a rest.

 
So you say...
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 12:03pm

 Proclivities wrote:
discussing an issue which could have apocalyptic results with the flippancy of an adolescent.  Many of the program hosts do it too on Invisibilia, This American Life, etc.  I used to think it was an "under-40" thing, but it's not just that; if there is a speaker under 40 on there, they will begin at least one sentence with "so", however.

 

 
 
His footnotes, caveats, interpretations are pretty good. But it's definitely "in vogue" right now. The statistics probably can't discern between a legitimate use "So the books don't get wet, please take them indoors" or in place of "therefore," etc. and just "So. The President is in France." Anyway. Give so a rest.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Now I'm lost. What? That's the studio host asking the reporter/interviewee.

 
How do you ask that question without using an interrogative? It doesn't seem to fit with your other examples.

Or mayhaps I'm confused - was this more about the responses?


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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:45am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
It didn't bother me until recently (some people have much shorter fuses) but...

Leading off a sentence with "So."

I understand its role. Same as 

Well,...
Okay,...
See,...
You know,...
Like,...
Um...
The thing is,...

 
And we'll all get used to it so it's not so obvious but for the last couple of months you couldn't annoy me more if you snapped me in the eyeball with a rubber band. Okay that's a lie. But still.

Every time NPR interviews another reporter about something (or less frequently one of their guests), the studio will say,
"our gardening reporter Cindy Cabbage is here to tell us about blight. What's the deal with blight, Cindy?"
"So. Blight is this thing, that happens?"
"And is it always going to be a thing?"
"So we don't know, but probably (vocal fry)"
"What can we do about blight?"
"So, experts suggest instant potatoes ew."

 
There was an article on NPR's site a couple of years ago which more-or-less defended it.  Their reporters/consultants use it so often that I'm tempted to keep track in order to write to that author but I'm usually driving when listening to NPR, so...  I guess it's not necessarily "incorrect" grammatically, but it sounds so clumsy or inappropriate.  I can paraphrase an exchange from a couple of weeks ago when N. Korea tested an ICBM:  "Q: What can China do to restrain North Korea's aggressive behaviors?  A: So, China is the most powerful entity in the area and the only nation which can influence them..."  He's discussing an issue which could have apocalyptic results with the flippancy of an adolescent.  Many of the program hosts do it too on Invisibilia, This American Life, etc.  I used to think it was an "under-40" thing, but it's not just that; if there is a speaker under 40 on there, they will begin at least one sentence with "so", however.  Oddly enough, the article also uses the inaccurate cliche "meteoric rise".
Here's an example from today - third sentence:

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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:34am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
It didn't bother me until recently (some people have much shorter fuses) but...

Leading off a sentence with "So."

I understand its role. Same as 

Well,...
Okay,...
See,...
You know,...
Like,...
Um...
The thing is,...

 
And we'll all get used to it so it's not so obvious but for the last couple of months you couldn't annoy me more if you snapped me in the eyeball with a rubber band. Okay that's a lie. But still.

Every time NPR interviews another reporter about something (or less frequently one of their guests), the studio will say,
"our gardening reporter Cindy Cabbage is here to tell us about blight. What's the deal with blight, Cindy?"
"So. Blight is this thing, that happens?"
"And is it always going to be a thing?"
"So we don't know, but probably (vocal fry)"
"What can we do about blight?"
"So, experts suggest instant potatoes ew."

 
That has been bugging me for a long time. {#Razz}
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:34am

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You've confused me with this one:

"What can we do about blight?"

 
Now I'm lost. What? That's the studio host asking the reporter/interviewee.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:28am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
It didn't bother me until recently (some people have much shorter fuses) but...

Leading off a sentence with "So."

I understand its role. Same as 

Well,...
Okay,...
See,...
You know,...
Like,...
Um...
The thing is,...

 
And we'll all get used to it so it's not so obvious but for the last couple of months you couldn't annoy me more if you snapped me in the eyeball with a rubber band. Okay that's a lie. But still.

Every time NPR interviews another reporter about something (or less frequently one of their guests), the studio will say,
"our gardening reporter Cindy Cabbage is here to tell us about blight. What's the deal with blight, Cindy?"
"So. Blight is this thing, that happens?"
"And is it always going to be a thing?"
"So we don't know, but probably (vocal fry)"
"What can we do about blight?"
"So, experts suggest instant potatoes ew."

 

You've confused me with this one:

"What can we do about blight?"
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:26am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
It didn't bother me until recently (some people have much shorter fuses) but...

Leading off a sentence with "So."

I understand its role. Same as 

Well,...
Okay,...
See,...
You know,...
Like,...
Um...
The thing is,...

 
And we'll all get used to it so it's not so obvious but for the last couple of months you couldn't annoy me more if you snapped me in the eyeball with a rubber band. Okay that's a lie. But still.

Every time NPR interviews another reporter about something (or less frequently one of their guests), the studio will say,
"our gardening reporter Cindy Cabbage is here to tell us about blight. What's the deal with blight, Cindy?"
"So. Blight is this thing, that happens?"
"And is it always going to be a thing?"
"So we don't know, but probably (vocal fry)"
"What can we do about blight?"
"So, experts suggest instant potatoes ew."

 
Yes... this makes me stabby as well.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:26am

 maryte wrote:


Fair enough.

 
The word makes sense, but I guess I've heard it so often at work or on job interviews that it's like biting on aluminum foil when I hear it.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:25am

It didn't bother me until recently (some people have much shorter fuses) but...

Leading off a sentence with "So."

I understand its role. Same as 

Well,...
Okay,...
See,...
You know,...
Like,...
Um...
The thing is,...

 
And we'll all get used to it so it's not so obvious but for the last couple of months you couldn't annoy me more if you snapped me in the eyeball with a rubber band. Okay that's a lie. But still.

Every time NPR interviews another reporter about something (or less frequently one of their guests), the studio will say,
"our gardening reporter Cindy Cabbage is here to tell us about blight. What's the deal with blight, Cindy?"
"So. Blight is this thing, that happens?"
"And is it always going to be a thing?"
"So we don't know, but probably (vocal fry)"
"What can we do about blight?"
"So, experts suggest instant potatoes ew."
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 11:15am

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"Multitask" is a pretty egregious one too.

 

Fair enough.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 10:19am

 maryte wrote:
distraction*

*some of us actually can multitask

 
"Multitask" is a pretty egregious one too.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 9:48am

distraction*

*some of us actually can multitask
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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 9:24am

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Posted: Jul 14, 2017 - 9:23am

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