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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 - 12:31pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Oh well. Pass the cloud, will you?

a proper rendering, perhaps {#Good-vibes}


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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 - 12:16pm

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All things share the same breath - the beast, the tree, the man... the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports.
Man does not weave this web of life. He is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
Take only memories, leave nothing but footprints.

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*cough*
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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 - 12:02pm

He stood on principal,until his feet got tired. Then he sat down.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 - 11:35am

All things share the same breath - the beast, the tree, the man... the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports.
Man does not weave this web of life. He is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
Take only memories, leave nothing but footprints.

Chief Seattle
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Posted: Jun 20, 2017 - 9:55am

God have mercy on the man who doubts what he's sure of...
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Posted: Jun 18, 2017 - 5:37am

DATE: December 12, 1991
TO: Distribution
FR: Lawrence H. Summers
Subject: GEP

‘Dirty’ Industries: Just between you and me, shouldn’t the World Bank be encouraging MORE migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs? I can think of three reasons:

1) The measurements of the costs of health impairing pollution depends on the foregone earnings from increased morbidity and mortality. From this point of view a given amount of health impairing pollution should be done in the country with the lowest cost, which will be the country with the lowest wages. I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that.....

https://www.counterpunch.org/1999/06/15/larry-summers-war-against-the-earth/


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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 11:53am

“ But, Lizzy, you look as if you did not enjoy it.  You are not going to be missish, I hope, and pretend to be affronted at an idle report.  For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors, and laugh at them in our turn?” (Mr. Bennet, Pride & Prejudice)
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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 10:07am

 rhahl wrote:

While I did read the original there years ago, I will take your word for it. Thanks for the correction.

Burnham is very interesting, especially The Machiavellians.
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https://www.alibris.com/The-Machiavellians-Defenders-of-Freedom-James-Burnham/book/4084757?matches=8

 
This is somewhat tangential to the discussion but I wonder if the person who designed that book cover was trying to make an ironic statement by choosing a print of Albrecht Dürer's woodcut of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as an image for a cover about "Defenders of Freedom".
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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 9:57am

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I suppose that you are referring to his predictions about the success of fascism. While nobody reads Burnham today to find out what might happen to the Nazis, his approach to understanding politics is useful. I already knew that there are right reasons as opposed to real reasons, but Burnham helped me to see this that this technique operates on all sides in all discussions of policy, and many people don't realize their own side is doing it.

I think it's fair to say that few people read Burnham at all. Anyone who could be so loudly and publicly wrong about so much tends to burn up their own credibility, but his views about totalitarian power (he had been a Trotskyite, figured a Nazi victory was inevitable and the west should just get on board with it, later switching that backing to Stalin) are repugnant. Right and wrong were irrelevant distractions in his view. Power was all that mattered.

As Orwell pointed out he saw the future as a projection of the power structure of the present, never imagining that the curves might bend or that they needed to be made to bend.

His worldview prior to WW2 was fairly fashionable, but when I look for insights about power and politics I tend to seek out people with a better track record of prognostication, or who can at least imagine a world I want to inhabit.


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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 9:29am

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Orwell covers this as well in his review. Burnham may be interesting but as the twentieth century played out after he wrote these it was evident that he was dead wrong. The great shifts in power that occurred among democratic countries (or countries that became democratic) happened after large shifts in popular opinion, not the other way around, and often in direct conflict with entrenched interests. 

I suppose that you are referring to his predictions about the success of fascism. While nobody reads Burnham today to find out what might happen to the Nazis, his approach to understanding politics is useful. I already knew that there are right reasons as opposed to real reasons, but Burnham helped me to see this that this technique operates on all sides in all discussions of policy, and many people don't realize their own side is doing it.


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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 8:45am

 rhahl wrote:
While I did read the original there years ago, I will take your word for it. Thanks for the correction.

Burnham is very interesting, especially The Machiavellians.

https://www.alibris.com/The-Machiavellians-Defenders-of-Freedom-James-Burnham/book/4084757?matches=8

Orwell covers this as well in his review. Burnham may be interesting but as the twentieth century played out after he wrote these it was evident that he was dead wrong. The great shifts in power that occurred among democratic countries (or countries that became democratic) happened after large shifts in popular opinion, not the other way around, and often in direct conflict with entrenched interests.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 7:36am

 Lazy8 wrote:
These are not Orwell's views, they're Burnham's. Orwell was summarizing them in his critique, which was also a critique of what he saw as Burnham's "worship of power". Here, go read the original—it is (as often with Orwell) timeless and relevant.

What Lind is essentially arguing is that Orwell was wrong and Burnham right.

Lind is no Orwell.
 
While I did read the original there years ago, I will take your word for it. Thanks for the correction.

Burnham is very interesting, especially The Machiavellians.

https://www.alibris.com/The-Machiavellians-Defenders-of-Freedom-James-Burnham/book/4084757?matches=8



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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 6:53am

 rhahl wrote:

In his essay “Second Thoughts on James Burnham,” George Orwell provided a succinct summary of Burnham’s thesis:

Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralized society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of “managers.” These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organize society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. . . . The new “managerial” societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main industrial centers in Europe, Asia and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom.

The New Class War By Michael Lind

The reason Americans teach 1984 so religiously in schools is make the ensuing adults think they already know everything about Orwell.

These are not Orwell's views, they're Burnham's. Orwell was summarizing them in his critique, which was also a critique of what he saw as Burnham's "worship of power". Here, go read the original—it is (as often with Orwell) timeless and relevant.

What Lind is essentially arguing is that Orwell was wrong and Burnham right.

Lind is no Orwell.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2017 - 2:20am

“You learn how to lose quicker than you lose how to win.”
—Charlie Simmer, California Golden Seals


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Posted: Jun 15, 2017 - 3:37pm

In his essay “Second Thoughts on James Burnham,” George Orwell provided a succinct summary of Burnham’s thesis:

Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralized society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of “managers.” These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organize society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. . . . The new “managerial” societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main industrial centers in Europe, Asia and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom.

The New Class War By Michael Lind

The reason Americans teach 1984 so religiously in schools is make the ensuing adults think they already know everything about Orwell.
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Posted: Jun 12, 2017 - 9:06am

I feel that reality has become an abstract for so many people over the last 20 years. Things that they regarded as truths seem to have just melted away, and it's almost as if we're thinking post-philosophically now. There's nothing to rely on any more. No knowledge, only interpretation of those facts that we seem to be inundated with on a daily basis. Knowledge seems to have been left behind and there's a sense that we are adrift at sea. There's nothing more to hold on to, and of course political circumstances just push that boat further out.
-David Bowie 2003 

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Posted: Jun 6, 2017 - 12:47pm

Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. - Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (Lewis Carroll)
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Posted: Jun 6, 2017 - 8:51am

"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they are yours"   R. Bach


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Posted: Jun 6, 2017 - 5:04am

The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.
-Albert Einstein, or most likely Ray Cummings    (thanx ScottN)


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Posted: Jun 5, 2017 - 8:15pm

" A human being is a soul attached to a dying creature". Unknown.  Probably paraphrased.  A search didn't reveal an author.
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