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Posted: Jul 25, 2014 - 5:15pm


Not just them young folk either...
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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 5:27pm

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From my FB feed:

"We all do better when we all do better." — Sen. Paul Wellstone would have been 70 years old today. 

I live near the cemetery resting Paul Wellstone and family.  On election days his gravesite is covered with "I Voted" stickers, including mine.  I wish I could find a photo of that.  It is really quite moving..


 
{#Group-hug} That's a wonderful tribute to him. Not helping my teary-eyed mood today, though (in a good way).
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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 5:23pm

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Couldn't agree more.  {#Cheers}
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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 5:03pm


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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 4:59pm

 haresfur wrote:
From my FB feed:

"We all do better when we all do better." — Sen. Paul Wellstone would have been 70 years old today. 

I live near the cemetery resting Paul Wellstone and family.  On election days his gravesite is covered with "I Voted" stickers, including mine.  I wish I could find a photo of that.  It is really quite moving..

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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 3:54pm

From my FB feed:

"We all do better when we all do better." — Sen. Paul Wellstone would have been 70 years old today. 
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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 12:17pm

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I think it is widely agreed that it is a good thing to question one's assumptions.  New information, dynamics in whatever is being considered, are important to recognize.  What I like about Illich is his advice (as I interpret it, anyway) to question your assumptions as deeply as possible. Much of what we come to regard as axiomatic in coming to an assumption is founded on what may themselves (axioms) be untenable.

That's, uh, radical...
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Posted: Jul 22, 2014 - 9:40am

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The compulsion to do good is an innate American trait. Only North Americans seem to believe that they always should, may, and actually can choose somebody with whom to share their blessings. Ultimately this attitude leads to bombing people into the acceptance of gifts.

In a consumer society there are inevitably two kinds of slaves: the prisoners of addiction and the prisoners of envy.

Ivan Illich
 

I think it is widely agreed that it is a good thing to question one's assumptions.  New information, dynamics in whatever is being considered, are important to recognize.  What I like about Illich is his advice (as I interpret it, anyway) to question your assumptions as deeply as possible. Much of what we come to regard as axiomatic in coming to an assumption is founded on what may themselves (axioms) be untenable.


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The compulsion to do good is an innate American trait. Only North Americans seem to believe that they always should, may, and actually can choose somebody with whom to share their blessings. Ultimately this attitude leads to bombing people into the acceptance of gifts.

In a consumer society there are inevitably two kinds of slaves: the prisoners of addiction and the prisoners of envy.

Ivan Illich

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Posted: Jun 20, 2014 - 7:31am

‘The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.’

~ Edward Dowling, priest and author (Quoted in William Blum, 'America's Deadliest Export: Democracy - The Truth About US Foreign Policy and Everything Else', Zed Books, London, 2014, p. 319)


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Posted: Jun 18, 2014 - 10:02pm

Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. Albert Einstein
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Posted: Jun 18, 2014 - 8:17am

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"19 terrorists in 6 weeks have been able to command 300 million North Americans to do away with the entirety of their civil liberties that took 700 years to advance from the Magna Carta onward. The terrorists have already won the political and ideological war with one terrorist act. It is mindboggling that we are that weak as a society."

~ Rocco Galati 
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Amen
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Posted: Jun 18, 2014 - 7:47am

"19 terrorists in 6 weeks have been able to command 300 million North Americans to do away with the entirety of their civil liberties that took 700 years to advance from the Magna Carta onward. The terrorists have already won the political and ideological war with one terrorist act. It is mindboggling that we are that weak as a society."

~ Rocco Galati 
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Posted: Jun 9, 2014 - 5:40am

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Platform, schmlatform. I've heard Libertarians that are ALL over the fekking place with belief and "platforms."  Sorry, but the flag bearers, Ron and Rand Paul have made it quite clear on their 'Selective Liberty" in regards to American Women's Right to Privacy. Women's reproductive systems have NO Business in Government, especially one that promotes Personal Liberty!!!

 

Ron Paul is a doctor whose personal beliefs have always been against abortion. I consider myself more of a Libertarian than any other organized political party and object to you placing this label on all Libertarians.  I believe in liberty on all fronts including an individuals right to choose if they deem they need an abortion, to marry their same sex partner or to own guns if they see a need for them to protect their family and property.  Imo any other stance on all of these issues is hypocritical in the context of individual rights and liberties.


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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 - 6:32pm

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Okay. But the bummer part is the so-called emblem of the Libertarian party, Ron and Rand Paul appear to promote a LACK of Libertarian belief toward a woman's right to Personal Privacy.Way too many Libertarians are a nice float between whats convenient to believe about Conservatives or Progressives. A very large platform of the Libertarians is STATE's Rights. Please link to something that leads to another conclusion.

The Pauls are Republicans. They are on the libertarian fringe of the Republican party, but they are comfortable enough with the label "Republican" to use it.

If you look at politics as a one-dimensional spectrum from left to right you will leave an awful lot of people out of view. Libertarians don't fall along that axis. Politics isn't just shades of gray, it's a rainbow.

As for your conclusion...I did link to something that should have shown you a different one. Did you read it?
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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 - 6:26pm

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Isabeau wrote:
Libertarian regarding costs to the consuming community; however, that "Liberty" ends as soon as it gets to American Women and their right to Personal Privacy and Unlawful Search and Seizure.
Selective "Liberty" conveniently refuses to stand straight onto a Libertarian Platform that respects the Liberty of All American Women from the beliefs and dogma of others.

I see that this premise is conveniently  placed under "States Rights."  

Stop blowing smoke; State's rights will be up to the personal interpretation of any Libertarians' personal belief.

That is clearly NOT Liberty for all.

A few anecdotes of some in the party that are for Choice, does NOT undo the LAWS being passed NOW against that Constitutional Right against
Unlawful Search and Seizure.

by all means, waffle around this issue...
— Isabeau

Um...I think you have us confused with someone else. If you'd like to read an actual Libertarian platform it's right here. I just finished reviewing the proposed platform updates for the upcoming convention and they don't look anything like your description either.

Not sure where the states rights stuff comes from. States don't have rights, people do. The term doesn't appear in the LP platform.

Here's the LP platform entry on abortion:

1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.



 
Platform, schmlatform. I've heard Libertarians that are ALL over the fekking place with belief and "platforms."  Sorry, but the flag bearers, Ron and Rand Paul have made it quite clear on their 'Selective Liberty" in regards to American Women's Right to Privacy. Women's reproductive systems have NO Business in Government, especially one that promotes Personal Liberty!!!
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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 - 6:18pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
Isabeau wrote:
Libertarian regarding costs to the consuming community; however, that "Liberty" ends as soon as it gets to American Women and their right to Personal Privacy and Unlawful Search and Seizure.
Selective "Liberty" conveniently refuses to stand straight onto a Libertarian Platform that respects the Liberty of All American Women from the beliefs and dogma of others.

I see that this premise is conveniently  placed under "States Rights."  

Stop blowing smoke; State's rights will be up to the personal interpretation of any Libertarians' personal belief.

That is clearly NOT Liberty for all.

A few anecdotes of some in the party that are for Choice, does NOT undo the LAWS being passed NOW against that Constitutional Right against
Unlawful Search and Seizure.

by all means, waffle around this issue...
— Isabeau

Um...I think you have us confused with someone else. If you'd like to read an actual Libertarian platform it's right here. I just finished reviewing the proposed platform updates for the upcoming convention and they don't look anything like your description either.

Not sure where the states rights stuff comes from. States don't have rights, people do. The term doesn't appear in the LP platform.

Here's the LP platform entry on abortion:

1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.



 
Okay. But the bummer part is the so-called emblem of the Libertarian party, Ron and Rand Paul appear to promote a LACK of Libertarian belief toward a woman's right to Personal Privacy.Way too many Libertarians are a nice float between whats convenient to believe about Conservatives or Progressives. A very large platform of the Libertarians is STATE's Rights. Please link to something that leads to another conclusion.
 

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Posted: Jun 7, 2014 - 6:16pm

Isabeau wrote:
Libertarian regarding costs to the consuming community; however, that "Liberty" ends as soon as it gets to American Women and their right to Personal Privacy and Unlawful Search and Seizure.
Selective "Liberty" conveniently refuses to stand straight onto a Libertarian Platform that respects the Liberty of All American Women from the beliefs and dogma of others.

I see that this premise is conveniently  placed under "States Rights."  

Stop blowing smoke; State's rights will be up to the personal interpretation of any Libertarians' personal belief.

That is clearly NOT Liberty for all.

A few anecdotes of some in the party that are for Choice, does NOT undo the LAWS being passed NOW against that Constitutional Right against
Unlawful Search and Seizure.

by all means, waffle around this issue...
— Isabeau

Um...I think you have us confused with someone else. If you'd like to read an actual Libertarian platform it's right here. I just finished reviewing the proposed platform updates for the upcoming convention and they don't look anything like your description either.

Not sure where the states rights stuff comes from. States don't have rights, people do. The term doesn't appear in the LP platform.

Here's the LP platform entry on abortion:

1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


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