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Posted: Aug 21, 2014 - 12:21pm

I reckon there are still some Congressmen who apparently are not paying attention to Ferguson.... or are they? 

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Posted: Aug 20, 2014 - 11:30am

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Judge a fractured skull resulting from being punched and get back to me.
 
So I guess that (which I called a stupid assault earlier) is reason enough to execute (judge, jury, and executioner) someone? Mmmm, okay.
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Posted: Aug 20, 2014 - 11:25am

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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Maybe something for some cops to learn. {#Mrgreen}

There is also a history of indictments not happening quite as often (when it comes to certain professions).

 
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Posted: Aug 20, 2014 - 8:13am

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There will be ample investigations and we should withhold Judge Dredd type reactions before indicting the officer in this case. (...)
 
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Maybe something for some cops to learn. {#Mrgreen}

There is also a history of indictments not happening quite as often (when it comes to certain professions).
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Posted: Aug 20, 2014 - 5:51am

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There will be ample investigations and we should withhold Judge Dredd type reactions before indicting the officer in this case. To me, the actual incident itself may not end up being the issue moreso the root causes for the reactions on all sides (Ferguson citizens, outside anarchists and local and state authorities armed by the Pentagon).  This has been building for some time and if this particular incident had happened in a vacuum perhaps all of us would not be possessed by such a passionate rush to judgment.  However, 2 bright spots that may come of this are the further illumination of the long time disproportionate targeting and harassment of minorities and the militirization of the police force. 

 
What I have come to learn in the past couple of days is the City of Ferguson gets nearly or more than half of its annual revenue from traffic stops.  Two thirds of the town's population is black.  Do the math ...

The racial makeup has shifted dramatically in very few years.

  In 1990, residents of Ferguson who were identified in the U.S. Census as White comprised 73.8% of the total, while those identified as Black made up 25.1%. (The remainder, 1.1%, identified with other racial categories.) In the 2000 census, 44.7% were White and 52.4% were African American. In the 2010 census, 29.3% were White and 67.4% were African American.

Then there is this ...

 The Mayor of Ferguson is directly elected for a three-year term. Voter turnout in the most recent mayoral election was approximately 12%. 
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Once again, a government that is deserved ? (as in we get the kind of government we deserve when voter apathy is a primary factor)


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Posted: Aug 20, 2014 - 4:16am

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(...) Several reports say that the officer who shot Brown had a shattered eye orbit / socket as a result from Brown punching the officer. (...)

Still seems Judge Dredd reacted rather excessively (see proportionality again) by causing six gunshot wounds, even when such a stupid assault took place on a cop and the perp tried to get away...

 

There will be ample investigations and we should withhold Judge Dredd type reactions before indicting the officer in this case. To me, the actual incident itself may not end up being the issue moreso the root causes for the reactions on all sides (Ferguson citizens, outside anarchists and local and state authorities armed by the Pentagon).  This has been building for some time and if this particular incident had happened in a vacuum perhaps all of us would not be possessed by such a passionate rush to judgment.  However, 2 bright spots that may come of this are the further illumination of the long time disproportionate targeting and harassment of minorities and the militirization of the police force. 


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Posted: Aug 19, 2014 - 8:30pm

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(...) Several reports say that the officer who shot Brown had a shattered eye orbit / socket as a result from Brown punching the officer. (...)

Still seems Judge Dredd reacted rather excessively (see proportionality again) by causing six gunshot wounds, even when such a stupid assault took place on a cop and the perp tried to get away...
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Posted: Aug 19, 2014 - 6:51pm

From several sources ...

of the 78 people arrested in Ferguson last night, only 4 were actual residents. 

Several reports say that the officer who shot Brown had a shattered eye orbit / socket as a result from Brown punching the officer.

State FOP spokesman says based upon case facts he knows, there should be no grand jury indictment.

Holder arrives tomorrow. 
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Posted: Aug 19, 2014 - 2:46pm

Not the Onion... {#Cheesygrin}
Egypt calls for US restraint over Ferguson
Report says Cairo "closely" following US protests and calls on Washington to observe "international standards".
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Posted: Aug 19, 2014 - 5:03am

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I've been following this.  Saw the vid last week and its been repeated often.

The only concrete info I know is that according to the family's autopsy performed by a NYC medical examiner, he was shot 6 times.  4 times in one arm and twice in the head.  No shots in the back as his accomplice and so-called primary witness has claimed since day one.

He was found with the cigars in his possession at the shooting scene.  The cop that shot him did not yet know about the robbery at the time.

The rest is speculation.  There allegedly was an altercation between the cop and the suspect in the radio car and a shot went off during a struggle for the cop's gun.

What no one has said yet anywhere in their commentary is that while the cop involved did not know about the robbery, the suspect did (obviously) and the suspect's behaviour may have been influenced by the fact that he knew he committed the robbery and was being captured.  Resisting arrest and all that.  

The suspect who according to his accomplice said he was shot with his arms up in a position of surrender maybe bs as the story also said he was shot in the back which is now found to be untrue. 

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are on the scene, with Sharpton throwing gasoline on the fire as he usually does. 

 
i was really surprised to see such poor judgment from brown on the store video

i mean what would he expect to come out of that behavior/action?

blatant theft and assault on that store employee/owner ( i also listened to some of his rap efforts on soundcloud and aside from talent the content is a sad reflection)

this whole situation seems to be fueled by stupidity and escalating over-reaction (from brown's initial crime to wilson shooting him and the violence that followed)

what a mess

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Posted: Aug 18, 2014 - 8:53pm

Watching Ferguson, Mo. live.  There's some really freaky stuff going on.

400 police lined up in one line. 3 deep.    Seen a couple of arrests where they suddenly swarm forward, take their target right down, surround the guy with drawn rifles and fall back into their line like a seamless blob.

Mostly winding down now, but far from over. 

ruh row , orders have just been given for everyone to get their gas masks on ...
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Posted: Aug 18, 2014 - 8:01pm

Teens create app for rating encounters with local law enforcement
Teenage developers say 'Five-O' app will help hold officers accountable for actions in wake of Michael Brown shooting
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted: Aug 18, 2014 - 2:35pm

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I see you corroborated my summary posted below.

I am however surprised that you did not mention that the former NYC ME who performed the family's autopsy is also a primary Fox News medical contributor.  That would have to make his autopsy highly suspect with one who finds Fox News racist and deceitful.  You have always been against Fox News for just existing. imo ...
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Posted: Aug 18, 2014 - 12:06pm

Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times - NYTimes.com

(...) According to what has emerged so far, on Saturday, Aug. 9, Mr. Brown, along with a companion, Dorian Johnson, was walking in the middle of Canfield Drive, a fistful of cigarillos in Mr. Brown’s hand, police say, which a videotape shows he stole from a liquor store on West Florissant Ave.

At 12:01 p.m., they were stopped by Darren Wilson, a police officer, who ordered them off the road and onto the sidewalk, Mr. Johnson, who is 22, later said.

The police have said that what happened next was a physical struggle between Mr. Brown and Officer Wilson that left the officer with a swollen face. Mr. Johnson and others have said that it was a case of racial profiling and police aggression from a white officer toward a black man. Within minutes, Mr. Brown, who was unarmed, was dead of gunshot wounds.

The sequence of events provided by law enforcement officials places Mr. Brown and Mr. Johnson at Ferguson Market and Liquors, a store several blocks away on West Florissant Ave., at about 11:50 a.m. After leaving the store with the cigarillos, the two walked north on West Florissant, a busy commercial thoroughfare, toward Canfield Drive, a clerk reported to the police.

Mr. Brown was a big man at 6-foot-4 and 292 pounds, though his family and friends described him as quiet and shy, a homebody who lived with his grandmother.

It is about a 10-minute walk from Ferguson Market to the spot where Officer Wilson, 28, with six years’ experience, approached Mr. Brown and Mr. Johnson.

The police tell of an officer who was enforcing the minor violation of jaywalking, as Mr. Brown and Mr. Johnson ignored the sidewalk and strolled down the middle of the road instead.

The morning after the shooting, Chief Jon Belmar of the St. Louis County police said that Officer Wilson was leaving his police car when Mr. Brown “allegedly pushed the police officer back into the car,” where he “physically assaulted the police officer.”

“Within the police car there was a struggle over the officer’s weapon,” Chief Belmar said. “There was at least one shot fired in the car.” At that point, the police said, Officer Wilson left his vehicle and fatally shot Mr. Brown. “More than a few” shell casings were recovered from the scene.

Mr. Johnson, who declined to be interviewed, has described the events differently in television interviews. While he and Mr. Brown walked, he said, Officer Wilson stopped his vehicle and told them to get on the sidewalk. When they refused, Officer Wilson slammed on his brakes and drove in reverse to get closer.

When the officer opened his door, it hit Mr. Brown. With his left hand, Officer Wilson reached out and grabbed Mr. Brown by the neck, Mr. Johnson said.

“It’s like tug-of-war,” Mr. Johnson said. “He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’ ”

A witness, Tiffany Mitchell, said in an interview with MSNBC that she heard tires squeal, then saw Mr. Brown and Officer Wilson “wrestling” through the open car window. A shot went off from within the car, Mr. Johnson said, and the two began to run away from the officer.

According to Ms. Mitchell, “The officer gets out of his vehicle,” she said, pursuing Mr. Brown, then continued to shoot.

Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict.

“Michael’s body jerks as if he was hit,” Ms. Mitchell said, “and then he put his hands up.” Mr. Brown turned, Mr. Johnson said, raised his hands, and said, “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

Officer Wilson continued to fire and Mr. Brown crumpled to the ground, Mr. Johnson said. Within seconds, confusion and horror swept through Canfield Drive. On that Saturday afternoon, dozens of neighbors were at home and rushed out of their apartments when they heard gunshots. (...)
An Illuminating Sat. Night with Key Witness to Ferguson Shooting (Autopsy Update) | Alternet

(...) A local television  station, in an interview with Crenshaw and Mitchell, kept returning to the statement made by the police chief that Brown was in the car when the struggle took place. But none of the witnesses saw Brown in the car, and given the quick dynamics of the moment, Brown being 6 '4" and close to 300 pounds, it seems unlikely that the police officer would have gotten Brown into the car.

Nevertheless, Chief Thomas Jackson has consistently  claimed that Brown was in the car and grabbed for Darren Wilson's gun and a shot was fired. "Brown died in a dangerous struggle after trying to grab the officer’s weapon." But witnesses—including Crenshaw, Mitchell and Johnson—say it seemed a brazen act of aggression by the officer and that Brown was unarmed and not threatening. 

Tensions still rile the community of Ferguson. Much of the tension has to do with the handling of the case by local police, who took more than five days to reveal the identity of the officer who shot Brown, and with the community's anger over the many conflicting stories. The release of photographs of the cigar theft at a convenience store only stoked the anger of the protestors. While Chief Jackson has said any number of contradictory things, parsing it all, it seems that Officer Darren Wilson had told Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson to get off the street, and was not aware of the potential cigar theft when the confrontation took place. Something happened that made Wilson shoot Brown at the door of the police car, and then run after him and shoot him several more times.

What's clear is that we do not yet know all the facts about what happened that night in Ferguson, Missouri.


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Posted: Aug 18, 2014 - 11:35am

I posted something before, but this is all I have to say now in regards to Ferguson:  


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Posted: Aug 18, 2014 - 8:35am

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i really haven't heard or seen a lot on the officer's commentary on this incident

anyone heard his account or seen any other  video?

i did see this video (this morning) where the guy helped himself to some items from the store without paying

he didn't seem that gentle with the store owner/employee who tried to stop the theft

i believe this is a few minutes prior to the shooting

 
I've been following this.  Saw the vid last week and its been repeated often.

The only concrete info I know is that according to the family's autopsy performed by a NYC medical examiner, he was shot 6 times.  4 times in one arm and twice in the head.  No shots in the back as his accomplice and so-called primary witness has claimed since day one.

He was found with the cigars in his possession at the shooting scene.  The cop that shot him did not yet know about the robbery at the time.

The rest is speculation.  There allegedly was an altercation between the cop and the suspect in the radio car and a shot went off during a struggle for the cop's gun.

What no one has said yet anywhere in their commentary is that while the cop involved did not know about the robbery, the suspect did (obviously) and the suspect's behaviour may have been influenced by the fact that he knew he committed the robbery and was being captured.  Resisting arrest and all that.  

The suspect who according to his accomplice said he was shot with his arms up in a position of surrender maybe bs as the story also said he was shot in the back which is now found to be untrue. 

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are on the scene, with Sharpton throwing gasoline on the fire as he usually does. 
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