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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 4:21pm

set um up, knock um down, aye Scott?
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 4:19pm

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Happens to the best of us. How was I to know, for example, that you can't actually buy a product called "elbow grease" at the local hardware store?

 
What?

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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 4:19pm

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Happens to the best of us. How was I to know, for example, that you can't actually buy a product called "elbow grease" at the local hardware store?

online-  @ $13

http://popperstogo.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/elbow_grease_original_4_oz.309184657_std.jpg


Assuming you actually have something where you live affectionately known as a local hardware store,  maybe you can get them to stock it.

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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 4:18pm

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Yeah, I call bullshit on that practice. Lots of contractors/utility workers/ambulances/cops/etc. around here leave their vehicles running all day long in 100+ heat. Modern cooling systems in good working order are more than up to the task.

 
In my hometown near Chitcago they left the fire engine running 24/7 in the winter and it caught fire and burned the firehouse down.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 4:13pm

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So I'm skeptical, not about the below being a bogus claim (seems so), but about this idea that you can lift the hood of your vehicle to "prevent overheating".

 Around our area it seems to be accepted wisdom among cabbies that you can prevent overheating by "popping" the hood, i.e. releasing the closure latch so that only the secondary "hook" is engaged, with the hood thus being raised an inch or two. I've even seen cabs driving in city traffic with the hood popped part way open like this. The explanation that the hoods of these cars were open to "prevent overheating" seems to be an adoption of this cab driver wisdom.

Maybe it came from the time before coolant systems were properly designed, particularly on US made autos (remember flex fans from J.C. Whitney? They were deep bladed for more airflow at idle, but were supposed to flatten at speed to make them more aerodynamic. Had one on my 68 Buick). Overheating in a properly filled and nonleaking system today would be unheard of, I would think. And I don't know of popping the hood like this would help if it was a Godawful hot day and your radiator/condenser was so clogged with bugs that it had restricted airflow through it. Maybe L8 can chime in on this one.

 
Yeah, I call bullshit on that practice. Lots of contractors/utility workers/ambulances/cops/etc. around here leave their vehicles running all day long in 100+ heat. Modern cooling systems in good working order are more than up to the task.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 3:52pm

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Oh, well. Consider me Snopsed

 
Happens to the best of us. How was I to know, for example, that you can't actually buy a product called "elbow grease" at the local hardware store?
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 3:10pm

 aflanigan wrote:
So I'm skeptical, not about the below being a bogus claim (seems so), but about this idea that you can lift the hood of your vehicle to "prevent overheating".

 Around our area it seems to be accepted wisdom among cabbies that you can prevent overheating by "popping" the hood, i.e. releasing the closure latch so that only the secondary "hook" is engaged, with the hood thus being raised an inch or two. I've even seen cabs driving in city traffic with the hood popped part way open like this. The explanation that the hoods of these cars were open to "prevent overheating" seems to be an adoption of this cab driver wisdom.

Maybe it came from the time before coolant systems were properly designed, particularly on US made autos (remember flex fans from J.C. Whitney? They were deep bladed for more airflow at idle, but were supposed to flatten at speed to make them more aerodynamic. Had one on my 68 Buick). Overheating in a properly filled and nonleaking system today would be unheard of, I would think. And I don't know of popping the hood like this would help if it was a Godawful hot day and your radiator/condenser was so clogged with bugs that it had restricted airflow through it. Maybe L8 can chime in on this one.

 
That's where I was, too. I'd seen some of the police response and it sounded like nonsense, but modern mythology is a powerful thing. I'll buy that they're not doing it to block the cams tho.
 
This from the police made me snicker: "The problems are well known to Chevrolet. May I suggest contacting Chevrolet directly and demanding a remedy and retrofitting of the correction at their expense."

Oh, well. Consider me Snopsed
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 2:48pm

So I'm skeptical, not about the below being a bogus claim (seems so), but about this idea that you can lift the hood of your vehicle to "prevent overheating".

 Around our area it seems to be accepted wisdom among cabbies that you can prevent overheating by "popping" the hood, i.e. releasing the closure latch so that only the secondary "hook" is engaged, with the hood thus being raised an inch or two. I've even seen cabs driving in city traffic with the hood popped part way open like this. The explanation that the hoods of these cars were open to "prevent overheating" seems to be an adoption of this cab driver wisdom.

Maybe it came from the time before coolant systems were properly designed, particularly on US made autos (remember flex fans from J.C. Whitney? They were deep bladed for more airflow at idle, but were supposed to flatten at speed to make them more aerodynamic. Had one on my 68 Buick). Overheating in a properly filled and nonleaking system today would be unheard of, I would think. And I don't know of popping the hood like this would help if it was a Godawful hot day and your radiator/condenser was so clogged with bugs that it had restricted airflow through it. Maybe L8 can chime in on this one.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 2:17pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Are they catching hell for doing that?

 
Hmm,
It appears its not even true according to Snopes
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 12:47pm

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I worked in a scuzzy liquor store in Oakland and we never got robbed. A guy tried to break in by climbing down a vent but all he accomplished was tearing out the duct work. But I always wondered why some places got held up all the time and we never did. I always made it really clear that guns were not required... all anyone had to do was ask and I'd hand them the whole cash drawer. :shrug: Probably just lucky.

 
When I lived in Petersburg there was one right near a freeway entrance and it got robbed constantly. The thieves would be miles down I95 by the time the cops arrived.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 12:43pm

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Not as yet. Thats the Jiffy Mart and it gets robbed almost daily and the police station is a block away.

 
I worked in a scuzzy liquor store in Oakland and we never got robbed. A guy tried to break in by climbing down a vent but all he accomplished was tearing out the duct work. But I always wondered why some places got held up all the time and we never did. I always made it really clear that guns were not required... all anyone had to do was ask and I'd hand them the whole cash drawer. :shrug: Probably just lucky.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 12:09pm

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Are they catching hell for doing that?

 
Not as yet. Thats the Jiffy Mart and it gets robbed almost daily and the police station is a block away.


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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 12:08pm

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Are they catching hell for doing that?

 
They should be fired.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 11:49am

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Yep, thats my town.....And that is Jefferson St the next stop light from where I live. 

 
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 11:32am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Danville, VA police pop the hoods on their cars to block dashcams...
 

 

 
Yep, thats my town.....And that is Jefferson St the next stop light from where I live. 


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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 11:27am

Danville, VA police pop the hoods on their cars to block dashcams...
 

 
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Posted: Sep 19, 2016 - 2:00pm

Police Accidentally Record Themselves Conspiring to Fabricate Criminal Charges Against Protester




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Posted: Jul 22, 2016 - 9:02pm

Reading a brief statement from the officer who shot Kinsey, Rivera said, "I took this job to save lives and help people. I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that, and I hate to hear others paint me as something I am not."

This quote gets to the heart of the matter, I think. The police are trained to make split-second decisions but are not trained or poorly trained on when not to make split second decisions. This bias for action makes it much more likely to make a bad decision and more likely that their unconscious or conscious bias creates a bad result.

Well, that and from the video, there is no way this instance was really a split second decision.  
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 1:45am

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Great thoughts over all.  On the bolded ... once upon a time we used to call them peace officers ... can we ever get back to that ?

rhetorical thought .. too many laws stripping the police of discretion which leads to an automatic escalation of a problem at hand ...

 
I can't say anything about the situation in the US. I only have my experience in NZ and here in Germany to go on.

On principle I agree with the libertarians here, the police do NOT have any natural right to exercise authority over anybody. For this reason policing in the sense of coercion should, in my view, be kept to an absolute minimum and only to protect basic rights agreed on by the wider community. However, I have no problems with policing in the sense of community officer, in a consensual sense. People squabble, fight, do bad things to each other. It can be pretty useful to have someone like a community officer around. But for that to work they have to be recognised and listened to. And that means integrated in the community. NZ gets this right in many instances despite great ethnic diversity. Germany is by no means as ethnically diverse (though it is getting there) and at community level you hardly ever see the police (which is also great, cause you don't need them) When they do act though, they can sometimes be pretty heavy. Generally though I like the relaxed attitude here a lot, but that is also a product of the generally law-abiding citizens. It rapidly gets more complicated in complex societies like the US.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 1:27am

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Just a small comment from the sidelines:

@ Kurtster: sure, we are all individuals, each of us posting our own take on things. But collectively we reflect the rich diversity in society. I guess that is why we all talk about these things so much.

@ all: I guess each of us is trying to figure it all out but none of us will get it all right. The very notion of being able to encapsulate all human experience in the eyes of any one individual is a bit of a tall order. Maybe a bit more humility is called for on this topic. It's easy when you are sitting on the pig's back to damn others fighting it out down in the mud. Till you've been there I wouldn't be so quick to judge them on the values that you inherited from your (possibly) comfortable middle-class background and secure jobs. The people we damn so quickly might not even want any of the stuff we value so much. They might find loyalty of their friends and time with their family infinitely relatively more valuable than any material thing or holding down a job. In another time and place, those values might indeed be infinitely more valuable than the sanctimonious protection of private property and diligence in the labor force that our modern societies hold so dear.

I'm not trying to justify crimes or violence by anyone. Just wanting to point out, we all tend to judge others far too quickly using our own individual benchmarks. I really liked G.W. Bush's comment (best thing I have heard him say): "We judge others on their worst example and ourselves on our best intentions."
He nailed that one.  

So what am I saying?  well, I can see the race issue in the States (and it is certainly not alone in this), and I see two distinct trends:
1.  an assertion of all-encompassing common values that hold society together. 
2. a search for the limits on tolerance of diversity and minorities and those who hold values that differ from those commonly held 

When it comes to minorities or sub-cultures there is always going to be a point of friction. How different can you be yet still be part of the whole? What minimum values are you going to expect everybody to uphold? And why should they listen to you?

In my experience the vast majority of police confront this dilemma on a daily basis and have a really good feeling for it. Much more it would seem than some of the commentators I've read over the last couple of days.  

I've also met gang members, some of them murderers, and yes, some of them can be damn fine people in other times and other places. But they are also proud as hell and there is no way they are going to start living in accordance with any other values than the ones they have chosen themselves. Why should they?

So if you want to scale back the racial and other divides in the country, it might pay to scale back the rhetoric a notch or two and be a bit more tolerant about diversity. Return to a set of minimum universal values and expect all to live by them. The richness of the USA is a direct product of its multi-ethnicity. The idea of subsuming all its various subcultures in one bland soup of sameness I found really appalling. 

According to the police officers in my family, enforcing the rule of law is only a small part of the job of policing. Most of it is acting as a conciliator.. resolving conflicts before they arise, being there for the community. These guys are true heroes and none of them expect everyone to be the same. They know a bad apple when they see one and that has nothing to do with the particular sub-culture.
 

 
Great thoughts over all.  On the bolded ... once upon a time we used to call them peace officers ... can we ever get back to that ?

rhetorical thought .. too many laws stripping the police of discretion which leads to an automatic escalation of a problem at hand ...
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