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Posted: May 23, 2015 - 2:16pm

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Interesting.  I thought that mentioning someone is or might be a Democrat around here was a badge of honor.  Now its a personal attack ?

Note to self ... the earth really is flat ... 

  
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Posted: May 23, 2015 - 4:37am

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Jus sayin what? What does this have to do with me, personally? Talk about ideas instead of coming after people personally.

(Also, not Democrat. Free thinker.) 

 
Interesting.  I thought that mentioning someone is or might be a Democrat around here was a badge of honor.  Now its a personal attack ?

Note to self ... the earth really is flat ... 
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 5:37pm

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Straight outta the Tea Party playbook!  

 
Shhh. If you blow my cover we ain't never gonna stop them minorities from stealing our tax dollars.
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 5:35pm

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Kinda funny a Democrat offering advice on how to fix the Republican party.

Jus sayin ... 

 
Jus sayin what? What does this have to do with me, personally? Talk about ideas instead of coming after people personally.

(Also, not Democrat. Free thinker.) 



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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 12:54pm

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Because we saw what happened when Nader Perot ran.  We ended up with NAFTA .and Glass Steagall got repealed.

My suggestion: Greens and Libertarians et al should all join the Republican party and start to steer it from within. Trying to battle the party head on is impossible but, like a virus, changing it from within might be possible. 

 
Kinda funny a Democrat offering advice on how to fix the Republican party.

Jus sayin ... 
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 12:43pm

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Because we saw what happened when Nader ran.

My suggestion: Greens and Libertarians et al should all join the Republican party and start to steer it from within. Trying to battle the party head on is impossible but, like a virus, changing it from within might be possible. 

 
Straight outta the Tea Party playbook!  
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 10:57am

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Because we saw what happened when Nader ran.

My suggestion: Greens and Libertarians et al should all join the Republican party and start to steer it from within. Trying to battle the party head on is impossible but, like a virus, changing it from within might be possible.

Political parties aren't permanent. The Republican party isn't an evolution of the Whigs, it replaced them.

The current duopoly is due for a shakeup, and effective tactics (what wins elections) isn't the same thing as effective strategy—what changes politics. We need to think past the next election or we'll keep getting distracted by transient issues and never deal with the big problems.
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 7:22am

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But at least we could keep the issues in the forefront through the general which is the real goal.  We also need the media to work for this idea and not against it. It is all about eliminating the 2 party oligarchy hold on not only who gets elected, but what issues are allowed to be fed to us in the mass media throughout the whole election process.

 
Yep.  The FBN channel show, The Independents that I mentioned earlier was definitely a Libertarian point of view.  The 3 co hosts were Kennedy, Matt Welch and Kmele Foster.  It was actually going somewhere good.  Then something happened.  Perhaps it was going too good.  They yanked it, dumped Welch and Foster and gave Kennedy her own show.  The Libertarian bent has since been neutered and while I like Kennedy a lot, she seems to have been muzzled.

The whole lineup at FBN is being overhauled because Imus is apparently retiring, leaving a major hole in the daily lineup.  Kennedy is going to get the prime 8 pm slot which Cavutto has held since forever.  I really like Cavutto.  He's going to get a mid day show and disappear into the woodwork.  What direction Kennedy takes is uncertain, but I'm sure that her Libertarian leanings are going to be kept tightly under control.  

There are very few Libertarian voices to be found anywhere in the broadcast media.  Stossel is another and Kennedy was his protege.  Stossel is keeping his once a week slot for now.  And so it goes ...  


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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 6:40am

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And because the outcome would be even more predictable.

...and because the only third party likely to even look at him would be alienated by all the religious right pandering and treat him like a carpetbagger. Still smarting from Bob Barr's drive-by candidacy.

He would have a lot more clout inside the Republican tent than outside.
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 6:01am

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And because the outcome would be even more predictable.
 
 

 

But at least we could keep the issues in the forefront through the general which is the real goal.  We also need the media to work for this idea and not against it. It is all about eliminating the 2 party oligarchy hold on not only who gets elected, but what issues are allowed to be fed to us in the mass media throughout the whole election process.


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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 5:47am

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More than likely a true statement.  He will not bolt and go third party because he is running for re election for his senate seat simultaneously.

 
And because the outcome would be even more predictable.
 
 
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 5:37am

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He has actually been consistent in regards to this particular issue and there is no doubt in regards to rhetoric and in fairness some actions in the senate he is probably the only one that is even remotely saying what I want to hear along with his obvious flip flop pandering. However he is the one eyed man in the valley of the blind compared to the rest of the field. Everything is relative.  Moot point anyway, he is not and will never be approved by the system overlords so if you do want to cast a vote for him, best be doing it in the primary cause it will be your only chance.

 
More than likely a true statement.  He will not bolt and go third party because he is running for re election for his senate seat simultaneously.
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Posted: May 22, 2015 - 2:22am

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I've posted earlier about why it's so hard to like Rand Paul. This is an example of why it's so hard to dismiss him.

I wish I knew if he were just cravenly pandering to the Republican base with his culture warrior schtick (like Barack Obama was—at least we all hoped—on gay marriage before his first presidential election) or if he actually believes what he says in front of religious right crowds. But I don't. I'd like to take him at his word (and just cross him off my list) but then he goes and does something like this.

Credit where it's due. This took balls, seeing as it's a symbolic remnant of the post-9/11 conservative resurgence and dear to many in that Republican base.

10 Great Points in Rand Paul’s Patriot Act Attack

It’s not every day that a GOP presidential candidate talks about the drug war’s ‘disparate racial impact’ while trying to run the clock out on blanket surveillance


 
He has actually been consistent in regards to this particular issue and there is no doubt in regards to rhetoric and in fairness some actions in the senate he is probably the only one that is even remotely saying what I want to hear along with his obvious flip flop pandering. However he is the one eyed man in the valley of the blind compared to the rest of the field. Everything is relative.  Moot point anyway, he is not and will never be approved by the system overlords so if you do want to cast a vote for him, best be doing it in the primary cause it will be your only chance.


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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 3:40pm

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Red_Dragon wrote:
Even a stopped clock is right twice each day. {#Wink}

There's that outmoded analog thinking again...

Nowadays a stopped clock just sits there with a blank look on its face. Sorta like Rick Perry at a debate.

 

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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 3:29pm

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Red_Dragon wrote:
Even a stopped clock is right twice each day. {#Wink}

There's that outmoded analog thinking again...

Nowadays a stopped clock just sits there with a blank look on its face. Sorta like Rick Perry at a debate.

 
I thought the movie The Matrix cleared that little inconvenient mode up several years ago...{#Wink}
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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 3:16pm

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Even a stopped clock is right twice each day. {#Wink}

There's that outmoded analog thinking again...

Nowadays a stopped clock just sits there with a blank look on its face. Sorta like Rick Perry at a debate.
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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 3:05pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
I've posted earlier about why it's so hard to like Rand Paul. This is an example of why it's so hard to dismiss him.

I wish I knew if he were just cravenly pandering to the Republican base with his culture warrior schtick (like Barack Obama was—at least we all hoped—on gay marriage before his first presidential election) or if he actually believes what he says in front of religious right crowds. But I don't. I'd like to take him at his word (and just cross him off my list) but then he goes and does something like this.

Credit where it's due. This took balls, seeing as it's a symbolic remnant of the post-9/11 conservative resurgence and dear to many in that Republican base.

10 Great Points in Rand Paul’s Patriot Act Attack

It’s not every day that a GOP presidential candidate talks about the drug war’s ‘disparate racial impact’ while trying to run the clock out on blanket surveillance


 
Even a stopped clock is right twice each day. {#Wink}
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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 2:57pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
I've posted earlier about why it's so hard to like Rand Paul. This is an example of why it's so hard to dismiss him.

I wish I knew if he were just cravenly pandering to the Republican base with his culture warrior schtick (like Barack Obama was—at least we all hoped—on gay marriage before his first presidential election) or if he actually believes what he says in front of religious right crowds. But I don't. I'd like to take him at his word (and just cross him off my list) but then he goes and does something like this.

Credit where it's due. This took balls, seeing as it's a symbolic remnant of the post-9/11 conservative resurgence and dear to many in that Republican base.

10 Great Points in Rand Paul’s Patriot Act Attack

It’s not every day that a GOP presidential candidate talks about the drug war’s ‘disparate racial impact’ while trying to run the clock out on blanket surveillance


 
I long ago declared my support for Paul if he were to run and now that he is, still do.  The religious aspects he stands for are where I disagree the most with him.  But it does not worry me in that any part of that is most likely to be dealt with by the SCOTUS, not the POTUS.  He stood up against drones and actually got a response from Obama and action because of his filibuster.  He checks all the big boxes that matter to me the most.  No one else even comes close, and should another candidate pivot to try and say that they are for real civil liberties I would say bullshit, I don't believe you.  Paul has been very consistent and clear on these matters.  I also understand and agree with his views on foreign policy.  His declared priorities match mine more than anyone else.

Bonus, if elected, his SCOTUS nominations should, in my mind, be very hopeful and uplifting in cementing true liberty and meaningful justice for the long term. 

Very familiar with Matt Welch, the author of the article and also Nick Gillespie having watched them both extensively the past couple of years on the now defunct TV show, The Independents.
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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 2:29pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
I've posted earlier about why it's so hard to like Rand Paul. This is an example of why it's so hard to dismiss him.

I wish I knew if he were just cravenly pandering to the Republican base with his culture warrior schtick (like Barack Obama was—at least we all hoped—on gay marriage before his first presidential election) or if he actually believes what he says in front of religious right crowds. But I don't. I'd like to take him at his word (and just cross him off my list) but then he goes and does something like this.

Credit where it's due. This took balls, seeing as it's a symbolic remnant of the post-9/11 conservative resurgence and dear to many in that Republican base.

10 Great Points in Rand Paul’s Patriot Act Attack

It’s not every day that a GOP presidential candidate talks about the drug war’s ‘disparate racial impact’ while trying to run the clock out on blanket surveillance


 
It's a conundrum, that's for sure. Just when he's made my eyes roll back in my head for the umpteenth time, he stands up and talks for half a day and says nothing but things I actually want to hear from a candidate. 
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Posted: May 21, 2015 - 2:02pm

I've posted earlier about why it's so hard to like Rand Paul. This is an example of why it's so hard to dismiss him.

I wish I knew if he were just cravenly pandering to the Republican base with his culture warrior schtick (like Barack Obama was—at least we all hoped—on gay marriage before his first presidential election) or if he actually believes what he says in front of religious right crowds. But I don't. I'd like to take him at his word (and just cross him off my list) but then he goes and does something like this.

Credit where it's due. This took balls, seeing as it's a symbolic remnant of the post-9/11 conservative resurgence and dear to many in that Republican base.

10 Great Points in Rand Paul’s Patriot Act Attack

It’s not every day that a GOP presidential candidate talks about the drug war’s ‘disparate racial impact’ while trying to run the clock out on blanket surveillance

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