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Posted: Jan 20, 2015 - 11:28am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I started (yesterday) to make a post about similar events within the GOP, the tea party calling others RINOs etc.

I do think it's time for the Tea Party to break off like they mean it.

I totally get why they don't, why Rand Paul and Justin Amash are still Republicans: the game is rigged against any parties but the incumbents.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2015 - 11:01am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I started (yesterday) to make a post about similar events within the GOP, the tea party calling others RINOs etc.

I do think it's time for the Tea Party to break off like they mean it.

 
I'm glad I don't have a label I feel so strongly about.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2015 - 10:48am

 Lazy8 wrote:
She's complaining about people within the movement trying to be purity police, not stereotyping.
 
I started (yesterday) to make a post about similar events within the GOP, the tea party calling others RINOs etc.

I do think it's time for the Tea Party to break off like they mean it.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2015 - 10:21am

aflanigan wrote:
The vagueness and subjectivity inherent in definitions (or the arbitrariness of taxonomies)  is not an issue that is unique to so-called "marginalized groups". It applies to every collection of individuals who like to think that they share certain beliefs or characteristics of mind with others.

With respect to the linked article, what she is complaining about is coarse, broad brush stereotyping. Welcome to politics in the US, Libertarian girl!

Besides, you guys aren't truly marginalized in the minds of people who matter (i.e. the editors of Wikipedia)

 
Today, Wikipedia. Tomorrow...the world! Use your best Jeremy Clarkson voice for that last bit.

She's complaining about people within the movement trying to be purity police, not stereotyping.

Marginalized groups have a tougher time with it than mainstream political groups. Republicans have Fox News as a mouthpiece, Democrats have...everything on TV but Fox News as a mouthpiece. Greens get certain corners of NPR, nutcase right-wingers get shortwave radio, libertarians get a couple of really good magazines nobody reads and some internet traffic.

When Matt Taibbi would rant against libertarians in Rolling Stone even if only one in ten of the magazine's readers slogged thru his articles his audience was more than all the libertarian publications combined.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2015 - 8:02am

 Lazy8 wrote:
This is referring to an ongoing internal dispute over who, exactly, is a libertarian. I think it's relevant because (as a marginalized group) we've mostly been described by people who oppose (and often despise) us. 

 
The vagueness and subjectivity inherent in definitions (or the arbitrariness of taxonomies)  is not an issue that is unique to so-called "marginalized groups". It applies to every collection of individuals who like to think that they share certain beliefs or characteristics of mind with others.

With respect to the linked article, what she is complaining about is coarse, broad brush stereotyping. Welcome to politics in the US, Libertarian girl!

Besides, you guys aren't truly marginalized in the minds of people who matter (i.e. the editors of Wikipedia)

 


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Posted: Jan 19, 2015 - 9:28am

This is referring to an ongoing internal dispute over who, exactly, is a libertarian. I think it's relevant because (as a marginalized group) we've mostly been described by people who oppose (and often despise) us. Any movement that doesn't have an authority to set the boundaries on who belongs and who doesn't faces the same issue—define yourself, or your enemies will do it for you. Define yourself too narrowly and you stay marginal.

I also recommend the blog (Libertarian Girl) as a lively, fresh perspective on the movement.

Dear Libertarian Critics, I’m Totally Changing My Name to Republican Girl

Just kidding. I’m not actually changing my name to “Republican Girl.” Lately I’ve been taking a lot of heat from libertarians who think I should change my name to “Republican Girl” or “Rand Paul Girl.” I’ve also been told to change my name to “Anarchist Girl” and “Socialist Girl.” It’s pretty typical for a libertarian to get called an anarchist and a teabagger all in the same day. So I calculated how much I care about what people call me and quickly realized I don’t care at all.

So why am I writing this if I don’t care? Well, it’s simple. Libertarianism is a rich political philosophy that covers a wide range of differing opinions and principles, all centered on the primacy of human liberty in political life. Although I don’t care what people call me personally, I do care about people consistently perpetuating false ideas about who or what is or isn’t libertarian.

Libertarianism isn’t a cult but you might think so if you hear the way some people talk about it. Libertarians don’t have one set way of thinking or trying to achieve a freer society. But it also doesn’t mean “I can do whatever I want,” “only anarchists are truly libertarian,” “libertarians aren’t anarchists,” or “all you need to know is the Non-Aggression Principle.”

When you see someone saying those things it means he or she has managed to take an inspiring and complex philosophy and butcher it into a simplistic and mindless slogan to fit their personal preferences or lack of understanding.  To argue that every libertarian belongs to the Libertarian Party or that every libertarian is an anarchist would be entirely ahistorical and hence false. There is literally no truth to those statements at all and they need to die in a fire.

The cheapest trick of amateur thinkers is to purport to excommunicate others based on one’s own definition of a term. It’s easy, requires no serious thought, grants the feeling of power and authority, and makes for easy argument. It’s also shoddy and pointless. If libertarianism were nothing but an app that you could download into your brain, we could all give up the struggle of thinking. But serious people recognize that ideas work in a different way.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2015 - 2:35pm

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This fellow decided to renounce the social contract that comes with living in the US. Now, apparently, he's upset at the consequences of his actions.

Bitcoin Jesus not allowed to reenter US

 
he was scheduled to speak at the miami bitcoin conference

so it's not like he's moving back or trying to move back

but the letter from the embassy denying him looks like a wtf

apparently he's been to london and toronto recently for conferences with no issues

edit: maybe his shirt pissed someone off




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Posted: Jan 14, 2015 - 12:44pm

This fellow decided to renounce the social contract that comes with living in the US. Now, apparently, he's upset at the consequences of his actions.

Bitcoin Jesus not allowed to reenter US
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Posted: Jan 8, 2015 - 3:17pm

a take from BHL...

Jacob Levy on the Charlie Hebdo Attack

 

 


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Posted: Nov 30, 2014 - 2:35am

 Lazy8 wrote:
I have my problems with this (its equation of Objectivism with libertarianism and some loaded academic language for starters) but it's the first time I've seen social science research acknowledge that libertarianism is distinct from the left-right paradigm and that has a moral basis.

The Largest Study Ever of Libertarian Psychology

Posted by in Moral Foundations in Action, Politics, Videos

We’ve been deluged in recent years with research on the psychology (and brain structure) of liberals and conservatives. But very little is known about libertarians — an extremely important group in American politics that is not at home in either political party.

At YourMorals.org we have now addressed the gap. Unlike most surveys, which force everyone to place themselves on a Left-Right scale, we have always allowed our visitors to choose “libertarian” as an option.  Given our unique web platform, where people register and then take multiple surveys, we have amassed what we believe is the largest and most detailed dataset in the world on the personality traits of libertarians (as well as of liberals and conservatives).

In a project led by Ravi Iyer, we analyzed data from nearly twelve thousand self-described libertarians, and compared their responses to those of 21,000 conservatives and 97,000 liberals. The paper was just published last week in PLoS ONE. The findings largely confirm what libertarians have long said about themselves, but they also shed light on why some people and not others end up finding libertarian ideas appealing. Here are three of the major findings:



 
Nice, read. Plus, you had me at "its."
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Posted: Nov 29, 2014 - 7:28pm

I have my problems with this (its equation of Objectivism with libertarianism and some loaded academic language for starters) but it's the first time I've seen social science research acknowledge that libertarianism is distinct from the left-right paradigm and that has a moral basis.

The Largest Study Ever of Libertarian Psychology

Posted by in Moral Foundations in Action, Politics, Videos

We’ve been deluged in recent years with research on the psychology (and brain structure) of liberals and conservatives. But very little is known about libertarians — an extremely important group in American politics that is not at home in either political party.

At YourMorals.org we have now addressed the gap. Unlike most surveys, which force everyone to place themselves on a Left-Right scale, we have always allowed our visitors to choose “libertarian” as an option.  Given our unique web platform, where people register and then take multiple surveys, we have amassed what we believe is the largest and most detailed dataset in the world on the personality traits of libertarians (as well as of liberals and conservatives).

In a project led by Ravi Iyer, we analyzed data from nearly twelve thousand self-described libertarians, and compared their responses to those of 21,000 conservatives and 97,000 liberals. The paper was just published last week in PLoS ONE. The findings largely confirm what libertarians have long said about themselves, but they also shed light on why some people and not others end up finding libertarian ideas appealing. Here are three of the major findings:


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Posted: Sep 5, 2014 - 5:09am

Libertarians are on the ballot for every race in the upcoming mid terms.  Looking forward to casting my vote, it may help the Democrats, but really what difference does it make? No more voting for the lesser of 2 evils!{#Dancingbanana_2}
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Posted: Jul 25, 2014 - 6:22am

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bridges? transitions?

 

see nader and this {#Arrowd}

 

Rand Paul talks with Reason about the future of the GOP, the need to reach the 80-million-strong Millennial Generation, why having a strong national defense doesn't mean constant military interventions, and what Washington, D.C. can learn from the entrepreneurial culture of Silicon Valley.




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Posted: Jul 16, 2014 - 4:51am



I know the map is whack (freekin Ruskies{#Mrgreen}). 


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Posted: Jun 16, 2014 - 9:08am

nader's take on some stuff...


The longtime consumer activist, recidivist presidential candidate, and several-time host of Saturday Night Live talks with Nick Gillespie about what he sees as a new libertarian-progressive attack on crony capitalism, whether GM cars were ever any damn good, and why the Democrats still wrongly insist that he cost Al Gore the 2000 presidential election. Oh yeah, and that article of his Reason published in the early 1970s.

It's a wide-ranging, spirited, fun, and at times contentious conversation.




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Posted: Jun 15, 2014 - 7:26am

 RichardPrins wrote: 
obviously i (and maybe you as well) would identify more with chad on these articles

it's easy to observe socoipolitical conditioning desensitizing and/or hyper-sensitizing issues and chad in a sense (and rightly so) is pointing that out

his delivery could be better, but he philosophically nails the war issue very well

i do understand will's position (probably widely held)

imho where most people in general depart philosophically/social sciences when the scientific method is trumped by political conditioning

will may feel that he (or others) are held hostage by the writings of another person who previously brought issues to light or championed a cause (i think this is a huge problem with all political stripes/labels)

my take in this case is that the necessary evolution of social science is held hostage by political dogma backed up by force

a core issue and huge failure of the social sciences is the lack of precise definitions

political rulers love to manipulate language

peace

p.s. i know there are trolls everywhere but the comments, especially on chad's piece are really sad (it's heartbreaking)

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Posted: Jun 14, 2014 - 1:51pm

Why I left libertarianism: An ethical critique of a limited ideology - Salon.com
Libertarianism as direct experience: My defense of a misunderstood philosophy - Salon.com
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Posted: Apr 29, 2014 - 5:44am

here's a very "left" libertarian site that embraces a lot of what the recent conversation reflects (noenz i'm talking to you {#Biggrin} and i think i've referred you here before)

Libertarianism and the Poor

 

video capture here

zwolinski makes some good points here

hopefully food for thought

bridges? transitions?




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Posted: Apr 29, 2014 - 5:37am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Do animals have rights?

 
are these tasty animals?

{#Wink}
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Posted: Apr 4, 2014 - 1:58am

 rexi wrote:


Lazy thinks his flavour of libertarianism has more merit than that of, say Chomsky, because there are more flashy web sites with information about it. He then bemoans that nobody is sponsoring such a web site for him to voice his opinion. Presumably because he hopes that he could then reach more people and preach to them (ye, I knwo he wasn't being serious). But in any case, even though he denies it, he himself makes a straight connection between money, public exposure and subjective perception of merit.

Not sure what you mean with your last sentence. A common point of reference suggests natural rights and equal intelligence is something for rational agents. I don't believe either are representative of the real world, but many libertarians do. In fact, that's precisely what I'm criticizing Lazy for believing.

Further down you wrote: Rights are personal perceptions. And followed it with a, to my mind, sensible description. Do you consider yourself a libertarian? Because what you wrote there does not square with natural rights libertarianism at all.

 
I would like to consider myself a libertarian, but it is a very elusive position or ideal.  My thoughts are still evolving, especially at my advanced age.  I agree that there are many flavours.  I am not a governmental anarchist by any means.  I believe in laws and order.  Socially, perhaps.I lean that way.  What one does with their own body and between consenting informed adults that causes no harm to others outside of that agreement should not be subject to governmental review or oversight.  If you want to play Russian Roulette, fine, just make sure that your affairs are in order and that you have made arrangements to have someone clean up the mess after the game.  The government should not have to pay for that expense and your medical expenses should you survive due to faulty aim.  Its a you made your bed, now lie in it situation as far as I am concerned.  Cruel ?  No, just honest.  I also support people like Dr Kevorkian.

On the law and order.  That is where things get fuzzy and concrete at the same time.  I accept the US Constitution as written and amended.  Equal Protection, Due Process, the assumption of innocence until proven otherwise and the Right of Self Defense of life and personal property and the right to have honestly acquired personal property are things I consider inalienable.  Our Bill of Rights also is inalienable in my world.

With all the flavours of libertarianism, I do recognize that it is a micro application and balancing or interfacing it in the macro is where feathers get ruffled and acceptance breaks down.  It can be reconciled through our First Amendment however, if libertarianism is treated as a religion and has protected Free Speech.  The rights of the individual should trump the rights of a group.  I do not believe in eminent domain.  My property is mine.  If you want my property for your use or a public use, make me an offer for it that I cannot refuse and if I do not accept it, accept that, too.

Why cannot I use Peyote if I like ?  Why do I have to be a member of a certain ethnicity in order to partake ?  My individual want should not be interfered with because I do not belong to a sanctioned group.  I must also recognize and respect the needs of others in order to get what I want or need.  If I live in a community, I should turn down the stereo around 11 pm so my neighbors can sleep.  If I live miles from anyone, then there is no restriction or no restriction is justifiable.  I need to recognize that I must live within my means.  If i want to do what I want 24 / 7, then I must live far enough away from others so that I do not trespass on the needs of others, which in the example offered would be sleep. But if I cannot afford to live in a remote area, then I must accept the limits inherent to my location.  Would not that also be likened to Common Sense ?

I can keep going in the Macro and discuss the role and limits of government in my view, but I'll stop here for now for feedback, if any, before proceeding.  If the expressions above do not represent libertarian thoughts, what are they then ?
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