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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 9:53am

 ErikX wrote:

It would be amusing if it were true (that the private musings of Ayn Rand in 1928 have anything to do with the formation of the Libertarian party but it does bring up another question: what would your point be? That the Libertarian movement is so forever tainted by what Ayn Rand wrote in her journal that we should pay it no mind whatsoever—that anything any Libertarian says, ever, should be ignored because of faint dots conspiracy theorist Thom Hartmann connects between a journal page in 1928 and a Colorado Springs living room in 1972?

Gary Johnson gets a pass in the media because he doesn't have to defend the Libertarian platform from 1980 (written before Gary himself entered politics). Well, should Hillary Clinton have to defend the 1980 Democratic platform? After all, it calls for continued deregulation of business, taking credit for the airline and trucking industry deregulation efforts of the late '70s.

And don't forget Thomas Jefferson—he owned slaves! Slaves! How can anyone ever trust the party he helped found? Obviously tainted, forever unclean.

This is the crap we have to deal with before we even get to discuss the actual issues. This is why our politics suck.


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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 9:41am

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Hmm, i'm not really smart enough here to analyze his specific tactics for healthcare.  But what I do know is that one way or another, you need everyone in the pool (diversification) and we need to strip out many of the profit taking layers in healthcare.  Look at prescription drugs.  You have the manufacturers making a profit, the wholesalers making a profit, the retailers making a profit and the pharmacy benefit managers (so called claims managers) making a profit.  To Red's point, the excessive profit incentives throughout the healthcare industry is immoral when you have too many who still simply cannot afford to pay for coverage. 

As for the rest of Johnson's positions, I can live with them. 

 
Those PBMs sit at the vortex, and play all sides.  
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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 6:39am

 black321 wrote:

Hmm, i'm not really smart enough here to analyze his specific tactics for healthcare.  But what I do know is that one way or another, you need everyone in the pool (diversification) and we need to strip out many of the profit taking layers in healthcare.  Look at prescription drugs.  You have the manufacturers making a profit, the wholesalers making a profit, the retailers making a profit and the pharmacy benefit managers (so called claims managers) making a profit.  To Red's point, the excessive profit incentives throughout the healthcare industry is immoral when you have too many who still simply cannot afford to pay for coverage. 

As for the rest of Johnson's positions, I can live with them. 

 




I pretty much feel the same way, but overall he is way better than the others regarding all the other issues so I am content with voting for him especially if stopping wars is your main concern, it is a no brainer then.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 6:22am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
Where does Johnson stand on healthcare?

Sorry, no short answer to this. Here is a summary.

 
Hmm, i'm not really smart enough here to analyze his specific tactics for healthcare.  But what I do know is that one way or another, you need everyone in the pool (diversification) and we need to strip out many of the profit taking layers in healthcare.  Look at prescription drugs.  You have the manufacturers making a profit, the wholesalers making a profit, the retailers making a profit and the pharmacy benefit managers (so called claims managers) making a profit.  To Red's point, the excessive profit incentives throughout the healthcare industry is immoral when you have too many who still simply cannot afford to pay for coverage. 

As for the rest of Johnson's positions, I can live with them. 
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to borrow a phrase this political agitprop is "ignorance with wings"

hartmann (who on occasion has been a thoughtful guy) should be ashamed

fortunately this is nutty stuff easily debunked by simply reading some history and/or using google

in the time it takes to have a cup of coffee you can get a great overview of the enlightenment/classical liberalism

there is plenty of free material available (some examples below)




and at least the first five or six minutes of this




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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 5:15am



It is indeed dark out there, I'm not sure we'll be OK, and anybody who is is fooling themselves and trying to fool you.

 




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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 6:30pm

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Sounds about right. My concern is stopping the constant war. The questions about how and what are the ramifications/unforseen consequences/ways we could all die are an ever-flowing spring. I said don't feel like you need to lay out a full answer; my original post was more of a "my it's dark in there, you sure it's okay?" kind of thing.

When I can foresee unforeseen consequences I will start posting from my hollowed-out volcano on my private island.

It is indeed dark out there, I'm not sure we'll be OK, and anybody who is is fooling themselves and trying to fool you.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 6:23pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

It sounds like you have a pretty specific concern but a very vague set of questions.

 
Sounds about right. My concern is stopping the constant war. The questions about how and what are the ramifications/unforseen consequences/ways we could all die are an ever-flowing spring. I said don't feel like you need to lay out a full answer; my original post was more of a "my it's dark in there, you sure it's okay?" kind of thing.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 6:17pm

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More of a question of, if we take our boot off their necks, how do we keep them from ganging up on us?
 
Or, we've stepped on a land mine. What now? 

It sounds like you have a pretty specific concern but a very vague set of questions.

I don't think anybody has a detailed plan with timetables and troop movements except those who want to keep adding to the list of countries we're at war with. Disengaging will be a process, not an event. We can expect hard feelings for some time regardless of what we do, but Bashar al-Assad isn't about to start bombing us. Daesh isn't about to start launching cruise missiles at us. They are at each other's throats so they won't be ganging up on anybody.

I think that in foreign policy it's very important that both our enemies and allies know what they can expect from us. That means keeping our promises but it also means not making promises we can't keep. No more "red lines", no more bluster, no more brinkmanship, no more empty symbolism. That's all strategy rather than tactics (sorry) but without a better picture of what you're asking I'm not sure what else to tell you.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 5:52pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
So...give up and just accept perpetual war? Or start where we are and move forward with different priorities?
 
More of a question of, if we take our boot off their necks, how do we keep them from ganging up on us?
 
Or, we've stepped on a land mine. What now? 
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 4:29pm

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So, throw miney at the states and let them deal.

I see no prohibition against for-profit "health insurance" - the bane of American healthcare.

I also take issue with his claim " Government has never managed any segment of the economy successfully." The cirizens of the Nordic States and several other European nations might take exception to that.

You're expecting a Libertarian to advocate for putting people in jail for providing insurance?

As for the fabled Nordic socialist states...no, government's record of mismanaging economies is still intact.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 4:14pm

 Lazy8 wrote:


Sorry, no short answer to this. Here is a summary.

 
So, throw miney at the states and let them deal.

I see no prohibition against for-profit "health insurance" - the bane of American healthcare.

I also take issue with his claim " Government has never managed any segment of the economy successfully." The cirizens of the Nordic States and several other European nations might take exception to that.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 4:09pm

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I assume he'd stop bombing anyone who doesn't like us. But we've pissed everyone off so bad for so long, how do we convince them that we've changed? Say he gets in: he has 4 years. How does he create changes in that 4 years that give permanence to the goal of not going to war?
 
These are mostly rhetorical questions so don't feel like you have to go into a lengthy explanation for me. I just feel like decades of war have made it a tough row to hoe, then Bush2 actually designed a war plan that no one could extract us from. I was pretty sure Obama wasn't going to be able to, but of the people on the main stage, I figured he probably was going to give it a go. Even in Johnson's president, it's going to be a painful withdrawal.
 
So...give up and just accept perpetual war? Or start where we are and move forward with different priorities?
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 3:58pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Where does Johnson stand on healthcare?

Sorry, no short answer to this. Here is a summary.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 3:54pm

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Nice!  So, I dont hear anyone arguing for or against Johnson? 

I've seen a few people advocating but pasting up campaign posters all over the place just seems kinda...tacky.

I'll be happy to discuss the candidate or the issues.

 
I assume he'd stop bombing anyone who doesn't like us. But we've pissed everyone off so bad for so long, how do we convince them that we've changed? Say he gets in: he has 4 years. How does he create changes in that 4 years that give permanence to the goal of not going to war?
 
These are mostly rhetorical questions so don't feel like you have to go into a lengthy explanation for me. I just feel like decades of war have made it a tough row to hoe, then Bush2 actually designed a war plan that no one could extract us from. I was pretty sure Obama wasn't going to be able to, but of the people on the main stage, I figured he probably was going to give it a go. Even in Johnson's president, it's going to be a painful withdrawal.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 3:47pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

I've seen a few people advocating but pasting up campaign posters all over the place just seems kinda...tacky.

I'll be happy to discuss the candidate or the issues.

 
Where does Johnson stand on healthcare?
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 3:30pm

 black321 wrote:
Nice!  So, I dont hear anyone arguing for or against Johnson? 

I've seen a few people advocating but pasting up campaign posters all over the place just seems kinda...tacky.

I'll be happy to discuss the candidate or the issues.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 12:11pm

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Nice!  So, I dont hear anyone arguing for or against Johnson? 
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