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Posted: Jun 16, 2018 - 1:40pm

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Dang, but 88 years is a pretty good run.   For those who only know him from The Blues Brothers, don't miss the wiki entry on this dude. He played with EVERYONE.

 
I was swinging through to post this. It's a great loss to us, but fortunately he was around for a long time and left a huge catalog for us to remember him by.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2018 - 6:55am

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Matt "Guitar" Murphy
 



 
Dang, but 88 years is a pretty good run.   For those who only know him from The Blues Brothers, don't miss the wiki entry on this dude. He played with EVERYONE.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2018 - 10:30pm

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Posted: Jun 9, 2018 - 1:43pm

Danny Kirwan.
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Posted: Jun 9, 2018 - 11:12am

 islander wrote:

You said something stupid and got called on it. The proper response is to say "oops, sorry" and move forward.

I forgive you for your first set of comments from yesterday. But I think you should re-look at the second set from this morning.

 
But that was the best comment I have seen here in a long time. Someone asked wtf is wrong with you, and he answered exactly..


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Posted: Jun 9, 2018 - 9:29am

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a whole lot of stuff

 
You said something stupid and got called on it. The proper response is to say "oops, sorry" and move forward.

I forgive you for your first set of comments from yesterday. But I think you should re-look at the second set from this morning.
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Posted: Jun 9, 2018 - 4:34am

OK.  I was wondering how to reply to meower's comment and now I wake up and see all the others, so here we go.

First off, I have been dealing with depression for decades having been clinically diagnosed back in the early 90's and ended up on
zoloft for years.  That alone allows me to make the kinds of remarks about depression such as I did below as someone who is a sufferer.

Secondly, I am mentally ill as so many here have diagnosed me over the years and just recently again below.  But that is primarily
because of my politics, so I take that with a grain of salt. 

But depression and I are old acquaintances / adversaries.  Now it comes and goes.
It came roaring back with a Stage IV cancer diagnosis at the age of 56.  So I get it and understand it.  I even had an exit plan back in the 90's.
I was just going to paddle out in a huge storm and take off on a wave ala Patrick Swayze at the end of Point Break.  Quietly and alone go out in a way 
that was fitting and would be unnoticed by most except those who would eventually find me missing.  With a little luck my carcass would be shark food 
and my remains other than a surfboard would never be found.  But that didn't happen.  Fortunately for me, I found the person who was the missing part
of me for 30 years and when we were reunited, I became whole again and found life worth living again.  Ironically, my first contact with her was upon
just returning from a trip to the Outer Banks which would have been the location for that last ride.  If she hadn't returned into my life, I am pretty 
damned sure I would have executed my plan when I got my cancer diagnosis.  But she did and I didn't.  Life is funny, cruel and unpredictable, but it
always ends eventually.

Fast forward, I said the following ...
kurtster wrote:
Anthony Bourdain

he probably ran out of new food to try and got depressed

or

the only thing left was cannibalism and ... {#Whistle} 

the first remark was just a thought, a gentle speculation based upon the understanding of depression and what it is and how it can work.
the second was based upon a public figure who made a living by eating bizarre food and something that was not out of the realm of possibility.
No disrespect there.  Just a wry observation.  Something drove this man to do what he did with food and it was the eventual likelihood if he
continued down his path.

I don't know what kind of man Mr Bourdain was other than his public persona.  I did see a kind, thought provoking person who had a genuine interest
in what he was doing and enjoyment of it including the people he met in the places he traveled.  I considered him a lucky man in that he was living his 
life's primary passion of discovering food in all its glory and ignominy at the same time.  He seemed to be the real deal.  At the same time, I wondered
how long could he keep this up and what would he do when he ran out of challenges or his show got cancelled.  To me, he appeared to be channeling 
unbridled energy and either passion or demons in his public quest and travels.  He lived hard and played hard and led by example.  That to me is a full
life lived well.

In the earlier discussion about suicide, proclivities posted a list of drivers which would naturally lead to depression if not resolved.  Happy people generally
do not commit suicide.  Depressed people do.  I picked the most benign reason for Mr Bourdain's apparent suicide in my first remark, the ending of a passion.

Again, the second remark, I really believe to be funny and benign as well but within the realm of possibility considering the very public nature of his exploits and
not out of bounds or disrespectful.  And based on my own understanding of depression and the thought processes involved.

How many of you who have passed judgment on me since my remark are clinically or formally diagnosed as depressed ?  How many of you have looked 
death in the eyes and not blinked ?  Those of you who are and have, fine you are welcome to pass judgment on me.  Those of you who haven't walked in
those shoes ... well you're not, imho.

Like guns, we are only talking about suicide when there is some major event or celebrity involved.  What about all the veterans out there who commit suicide 
at the daily rate of 20 per day ?  No biggie, just celebrities, right ?  

Death.  Everyone deals with it differently.  Most from the perspective of fear of the unknown.  I can honestly say I no longer have a fear of dying.  That does not mean
that I am suicidal or ready to go, cuz I'm not and in no hurry.  Some deaths are tragic and untimely and many are not.  It just is what it is.  There was no disrespect in
my remarks regarding Mr Bourdain's passing, just observations based upon the perspective of someone who knows depression and has faced actual death already.
I think it was an honest thought, with a little poke at his passion.  One he might have agreed with.

ymmv

{#Meditate}



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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 8:58pm

 kurtster wrote:
Anthony Bourdain

he probably ran out of new food to try and got depressed

or

the only thing left was cannibalism and ... {#Whistle} 
 
I woke with a start this morning, don't know why, and picked up my phone to check the time. "Bourdain dead. Suicide" was a headline on my notifications. I was so sad that I couldn't go back to sleep. It's been bothering me all day. He's not a hero of mine, but it's not right that someone so immersed in being alive felt so bad that he had to hang himself to stop the pain.

About a year ago we pulled off a trifecta: got to see Alton Brown, Christopher Kimball, and Anthony Bourdain each speak. 

Bourdain, when asked what he does when faced with disgusting food, said that when a small village kills their only goat to serve it to you, Grandma’s rule applies: when Grandma serves you something, you eat it with a smile and ask for seconds. As irascible as he was, there was a kindness there. 

RIP

TL;DR: Your joke isn't in the least bit funny to me.


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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 8:11pm

 meower wrote:

that's not funny.

 
The second one was funny, but too soon.
 
Bourdain was funny and honest. A talk show host, maybe Lenno, asked him what the most disgusting, weird food was that he encountered on his world trips. He said Cinnabon.

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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 6:12pm

 kurtster wrote:
Anthony Bourdain

he probably ran out of new food to try and got depressed

or

the only thing left was cannibalism and ... {#Whistle} 
 
wtf is wrong with you, kurt?
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 11:54am

 kurtster wrote:
Anthony Bourdain

he probably ran out of new food to try and got depressed

or

the only thing left was cannibalism and ... {#Whistle} 
 
that's not funny.
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 11:06am

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Rewarding show to watch.  Obama in Vietnam is memorable.
 
Was he really using that knife for sushi?

{#Lol}
I wondered about that; it doesn't seem like a sensible knife choice. 
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 10:58am

 Proclivities wrote:

bourdain
"Might it follow then that we shouldn’t aspire to live always by sensible choices? That what is good for us in the short term is not always the 'best' way? To live always by what's right now in front of our faces and the imperatives of keeping things running smoothly for me and mine, good business, no problems — that’s the kind of shopkeeper mentality that got the world into a whole lot of shit back in the day. So, maybe, just maybe, fuck sensible." 

 

Rewarding show to watch.  Obama in Vietnam is memorable.
 
Was he really using that knife for sushi?

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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 10:36am

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And he wasn't afraid to be smart. There wasn't any pandering feel to his delivery - he gave his audience credit for their intelligence, throwing out literary and mythological and philosophical references without thinking we were too dumb to get it. That alone is getting to be a real rarity in our entertainment choices.
 
bourdain
"Might it follow then that we shouldn’t aspire to live always by sensible choices? That what is good for us in the short term is not always the 'best' way? To live always by what's right now in front of our faces and the imperatives of keeping things running smoothly for me and mine, good business, no problems — that’s the kind of shopkeeper mentality that got the world into a whole lot of shit back in the day. So, maybe, just maybe, fuck sensible." 
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 10:05am

 ptooey wrote:

And he wasn't afraid to be smart. There wasn't any pandering feel to his delivery - he gave his audience credit for their intelligence, throwing out literary and mythological and philosophical references without thinking we were too dumb to get it. That alone is getting to be a real rarity in our entertainment choices.

 
indeed rare and what will be missed most by me.
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 10:00am

Anthony Bourdain

he probably ran out of new food to try and got depressed

or

the only thing left was cannibalism and ... {#Whistle} 

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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 9:59am

 islander wrote:

Damn. I didn't always agree with the guy, but I did always respect his approach and his passion. He was genuine. 

 
And he wasn't afraid to be smart. There wasn't any pandering feel to his delivery - he gave his audience credit for their intelligence, throwing out literary and mythological and philosophical references without thinking we were too dumb to get it. That alone is getting to be a real rarity in our entertainment choices.
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 9:22am

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so, are things that much worse than they were 20 y.a.?  I guess the 90s were a bit of a high point given the peace dividend (russia's fall) which is now blown, and general economic growth....which combined may have eased the pressure on relationships...but the underlying issues seem to be personal.  So, back to my point, has society's view of suicide changed?  I'm referring to high profile cases where the individual was tired of struggling or didnt want to face eroding health issues, and took the decision when to leave upon themselves...is this "empowering?"  Not sure of the exact reasons behind bourdain/spade.  

 





The only thing I would say about that supposition is that I am going to assume that anyone who goes to the length of taking their life probably has bigger issues than whether there is a stigma associated with the act or not. I mean if they really cared about what others think, it would seem to me their concern would be more so with their loved ones that must suffer because they removed themselves from their lives. If they are hurting bad enough to do that to their loved ones seems like what strangers think would be quite irrelevant. But then again, who knows? Now for physical cases such as neurological or other health issues that decapacitate to the point of being a burden on your loved ones, I totally get that and there is even some nobility in that imo.


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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 7:38am

 black321 wrote:
so, are things that much worse than they were 20 y.a.?  I guess the 90s were a bit of a high point given the peace dividend (russia's fall) which is now blown, and general economic growth....which combined may have eased the pressure on relationships...but the underlying issues seem to be personal.  So, back to my point, has society's view of suicide changed?  I'm referring to high profile cases where the individual was tired of struggling or didnt want to face eroding health issues, and took the decision when to leave upon themselves...is this "empowering?"  Not sure of the exact reasons behind bourdain/spade.  
 
I got what you meant: have things really become that much more hopeless in the last 25 years?  It doesn't seem like it.  For me, the early 1990s were probably the most challenging time of my adult life, but that's of a personal level, not because of external factors really.  Maybe society's views have changed to some extent, especially for situations like physician-assisted suicide or "death-with-dignity" issues for people with terminal illnesses (Jerzy Kosinski or Robim Williams).  I know little about Kate Spade (but apparently she and her husband had recently separated) but I'm aware that Bourdain definitely had a number of demons.
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Posted: Jun 8, 2018 - 7:19am

 Proclivities wrote:

According to the CDC study which was mentioned in that article the leading cause/factor is still "Relationship Problems":

Many factors contribute to suicide among those with and without mental health conditions

Relationship problem (42%)

Problematic substance use (28%)

Crisis in the past or upcoming two weeks (29%)

Criminal legal problem (9%)

Physical health problem (22%)

Loss of housing (4%)

Job/Financial problem (16%) 

Note: Persons who died by suicide may have had multiple circumstances. Data on mental health conditions and other factors are from coroner/medical examiner and law enforcement reports. It is possible that mental health conditions or other circumstances could have been present and not diagnosed, known, or reported. SOURCE: CDC’s National Violent Death Reporting System, data from 27 states participating in 2015.



 
so, are things that much worse than they were 20 y.a.?  I guess the 90s were a bit of a high point given the peace dividend (russia's fall) which is now blown, and general economic growth....which combined may have eased the pressure on relationships...but the underlying issues seem to be personal.  So, back to my point, has society's view of suicide changed?  I'm referring to high profile cases where the individual was tired of struggling or didnt want to face eroding health issues, and took the decision when to leave upon themselves...is this "empowering?"  Not sure of the exact reasons behind bourdain/spade.  
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