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Posted: Jan 30, 2016 - 4:56pm

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Make that Billions of tons of greenhouse gases...and other noxious pollutants.   But, hey it's an ocean of air; no problem....no cause and effect, just normal climate fluctuations.         {#Frustrated}


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Posted: Jan 30, 2016 - 10:11am

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Right. 10,000 years of human beings deforesting the planet and unearthing, burning and dumping into the atmosphere tens of thousands of tons of carbon have absolutely no influence on global temperatures. Right. Everything is fucking FINE.

 
Make that Billions of tons of greenhouse gases...and other noxious pollutants.   But, hey it's an ocean of air; no problem....no cause and effect, just normal climate fluctuations.         {#Frustrated}
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Posted: Jan 30, 2016 - 9:32am

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I remember being buck toothed and skinny. 

 
But do you remember the last little ice age?
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Posted: Jan 29, 2016 - 9:32pm

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Posted: Jan 29, 2016 - 8:56pm

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Right. 10,000 years of human beings deforesting the planet and unearthing, burning and dumping into the atmosphere tens of thousands of tons of carbon have absolutely no influence on global temperatures. Right. Everything is fucking FINE.

 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 8:40pm

Record hot 2015 gave us a glimpse at the future of global warming
An exceptionally hot year, 2015 shattered records, but will just be the norm in 15 years’ time

2015 smashed the record for hottest year by about 0.14°C. To put that into perspective, the previous two hottest years (2014 and 2010) only broke the prior records by 0.002°C, according to Berkeley Earth data. The only time the temperature record was shattered by such a large margin was in the monster El Niño year of 1998.

Various global surface temperature datasets, 1850–2015. Illustration: Zeke Hausfather

While the current El Niño event is also becoming monstrously strong, it’s only now reaching its peak intensity, and there’s an approximately 4-month lag before changes in El Niño are reflected in global surface temperature changes. Thus, the El Niño of 1998 had a greater warming influence than its 2015 counterpart. 2015 was nevertheless more than 0.2°C hotter than 1998, due to human-caused global warming.

As the graphic below shows (animated version here), there’s a consistent warming trend among El Niño years, La Niña years, and neutral years. Over the past 50 years, there’s a 0.16°C per decade trend among each category, and individual years fall close to those trend lines. That underlying human-caused global warming trend is what’s causing annual temperatures to so frequently break records, with 4 new record-hot years in the past decade.


Berkeley Earth average global surface temperatures since 1965 categorized by type of El Niño year. Illustration: Dana Nuccitelli
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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 9:05am

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Just for sake of the "discussion", I did not say that there were no facts (however spurious) to support human causality in climate change, I just said that in my opinion, I don't think any of it is ultimately going to matter in a million years, or even a thousand years - maybe not even in a hundred. I also said that we should be better caretakers of our environment.

I honestly don't understand you, Mr Prins. If you wish to be taken seriously, and apparently you do, I don't see how you can believe that tossing emotionally propelled grenades into the forum is the best way to accomplish that.

And, as always, my opinions are only my opinions. They don't have to be yours.

 
The continued concern trolling for my reputation is just adorable. {#Mrgreen}

In a sufficiently large scale of time nothing really matters, so that isn't much of an argument. The sun will die in a few billion years and in the process it will incinerate the planet. The universe may not last forever, so don't bother getting off the planet either. So you know what, all things considered, let's do nothing whatsoever for any current problems that we are facing.

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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 8:49am

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I mostly see redirects towards me, especially in the face of facts that dismiss your typed 'arguments'.

 
Just for sake of the "discussion", I did not say that there were no facts (however spurious) to support human causality in climate change, I just said that in my opinion, I don't think any of it is ultimately going to matter in a million years, or even a thousand years - maybe not even in a hundred. I also said that we should be better caretakers of our environment.

I honestly don't understand you, Mr Prins. If you wish to be taken seriously, and apparently you do, I don't see how you can believe that tossing emotionally propelled grenades into the forum is the best way to accomplish that.

And, as always, my opinions are only my opinions. They don't have to be yours.

 




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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 8:26am

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I'm guessing you don't really want to discuss it. That's OK. But try to chill out on the snark, if you can. I don't think its a good selling point for you.

Ironically, the only original words I have seen from you are insults - the rest of your post you have let someone else do the work. If that is merely a stylistic quirk of yours, rather than a complete abdication of actual thought, I'm afraid I'm not getting it.

So, how about we just forget about it?

 
I mostly see redirects towards me, especially in the face of facts that dismiss your typed 'arguments'.
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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 8:23am

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Strange. I don't believe it is me that has failed to "come up with a more coherent argument". I assure you that I do not know what "repetitive petty bait" you refer to - but I must admit it sounds a little unfriendly, doesn't it?  I claimed I wanted, (and I still do, or hope for, anyway), a productive intellectual discussion. I further stated that I would only respond if there appeared to be an unwarranted attack on me personally, rather than a sharing of ideas. Yet somehow, after merely stating my opinion, and inviting further discourse on an admittedly difficult subject, due to the passions that seem to always accompany it, I find you tossing links to a rather poorly done website at me, as if that alone vindicated your actual thoughts on the matter, which, to the best of my knowledge, you have as of yet failed to share. Surely, you don't expect to be taken seriously if this is the best you can muster.

Those traits, Mr Prins, would normally mark you as no better than a forum troll. However, I would truly like to see some original thought displayed by you, and therefore welcome any further enlightening comments or thoughts you may have regarding climate change. I certainly don't claim the forum as mine, or even that I have been wronged - I simply think that you perhaps did not put your best foot forward.


Another aggrieved "victim" speaks (that apparently is blind to his own ad homs as well as the inanity of his arguments). Pretty ironic too, coming from a turd that was flushed one that was banned from the forum previously. That, and the strong stench of sanctimony. Nothing new on-topic of course, although I don't think that was (or will be) really in the cards anyway.

PS: However, since you appear to enjoy denial (along with a steaming side dish of vigorous handwaving), here's something (again) with a bit more substance...




 
I'm guessing you don't really want to discuss it. That's OK. But try to chill out on the snark, if you can. I don't think its a good selling point for you.

Ironically, the only original words I have seen from you are insults - the rest of your post you have let someone else do the work. If that is merely a stylistic quirk of yours, rather than a complete abdication of actual thought, I'm afraid I'm not getting it.

So, how about we just forget about it?


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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 5:12am

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Strange. I don't believe it is me that has failed to "come up with a more coherent argument". I assure you that I do not know what "repetitive petty bait" you refer to - but I must admit it sounds a little unfriendly, doesn't it?  I claimed I wanted, (and I still do, or hope for, anyway), a productive intellectual discussion. I further stated that I would only respond if there appeared to be an unwarranted attack on me personally, rather than a sharing of ideas. Yet somehow, after merely stating my opinion, and inviting further discourse on an admittedly difficult subject, due to the passions that seem to always accompany it, I find you tossing links to a rather poorly done website at me, as if that alone vindicated your actual thoughts on the matter, which, to the best of my knowledge, you have as of yet failed to share. Surely, you don't expect to be taken seriously if this is the best you can muster.

Those traits, Mr Prins, would normally mark you as no better than a forum troll. However, I would truly like to see some original thought displayed by you, and therefore welcome any further enlightening comments or thoughts you may have regarding climate change. I certainly don't claim the forum as mine, or even that I have been wronged - I simply think that you perhaps did not put your best foot forward.


Another aggrieved "victim" speaks (that apparently is blind to his own ad homs as well as the inanity of his arguments). Pretty ironic too, coming from a turd that was flushed one that was banned from the forum previously. That, and the strong stench of sanctimony. Nothing new on-topic of course, although I don't think that was (or will be) really in the cards anyway.

PS: However, since you appear to enjoy denial (along with a steaming side dish of vigorous handwaving), here's something (again) with a bit more substance...



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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 12:41am

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If you don't mind I'll continue to ignore your repetitive petty bait until you can come up with a more coherent argument.

 
Strange. I don't believe it is me that has failed to "come up with a more coherent argument". I assure you that I do not know what "repetitive petty bait" you refer to - but I must admit it sounds a little unfriendly, doesn't it?  I claimed I wanted, (and I still do, or hope for, anyway), a productive intellectual discussion. I further stated that I would only respond if there appeared to be an unwarranted attack on me personally, rather than a sharing of ideas. Yet somehow, after merely stating my opinion, and inviting further discourse on an admittedly difficult subject, due to the passions that seem to always accompany it, I find you tossing links to a rather poorly done website at me, as if that alone vindicated your actual thoughts on the matter, which, to the best of my knowledge, you have as of yet failed to share. Surely, you don't expect to be taken seriously if this is the best you can muster.

Those traits, Mr Prins, would normally mark you as no better than a forum troll. However, I would truly like to see some original thought displayed by you, and therefore welcome any further enlightening comments or thoughts you may have regarding climate change. I certainly don't claim the forum as mine, or even that I have been wronged - I simply think that you perhaps did not put your best foot forward.   




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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 12:03am

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By the by, the masthead subtitle for the website you quoted seems to have only one agenda, and no others whatsoever:

Explaining climate change science & rebutting global warming misinformation.

And, it seems to be a well thought-out guide for the novitiate liberal wannabes

http://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Are you a novitiate?

 
If you don't mind I'll continue to ignore your repetitive petty bait until you can come up with a more coherent argument.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 11:58pm

By the by, the masthead subtitle for the website you quoted seems to have only one agenda, and no others whatsoever:

Explaining climate change science & rebutting global warming misinformation.

And, it seems to be a well thought-out guide for the novitiate liberal wannabes

http://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Are you a novitiate?


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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 11:57pm

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I never stated, nor implied, that humans have no fingerprint. I never stated, nor implied, that humans are too insignificant to affect global warming or cooling. If this is your logic, it is severely limited in scope and handicapped with emotion; therefore it is not logical. You might as well accuse me of stating that the dinosaurs had no fingerprint on climate, or were too insignificant  to cause global warming. The planet does what the planet does; our input is but a trace of the causality of the planet's destiny. To deny that would be extremely short-minded.

Moreover, if that is, in fact, the argument that you choose to espouse, then you might as well state outright that the dinosaurs caused their own demise. N'est-ce pas?

 
"Does anyone really think (...) that us puny humans really have anything to do with how hot/cold the Earth is?"

Then I guess you were referring to some other part of the Earth that cools or warms.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 11:49pm

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Myth 57: "It's not us". Science: The human fingerprint in global warming
Myth 103: "Humans are too insignificant to affect global climate". Science: Are humans too insignificant to affect global climate?

 
I never stated, nor implied, that humans have no fingerprint. I never stated, nor implied, that humans are too insignificant to affect global warming or cooling. If this is your logic, it is severely limited in scope and handicapped with emotion; therefore it is not logical. You might as well accuse me of stating that the dinosaurs had no fingerprint on climate, or were too insignificant  to cause global warming. The planet does what the planet does; our input is but a trace of the causality of the planet's destiny. To deny that would be extremely short-minded.

Moreover, if that is, in fact, the argument that you choose to espouse, then you might as well state outright that the dinosaurs caused their own demise. N'est-ce pas?


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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 11:18pm

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(...) Honestly, I'm not taking sides with anything or anyone, except logic and the truth. (...)
(...) Does anyone really think (...) that us puny humans really have anything to do with how hot/cold the Earth is? (...)
 
Myth 57: "It's not us". Science: The human fingerprint in global warming
Myth 103: "Humans are too insignificant to affect global climate". Science: Are humans too insignificant to affect global climate?
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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 11:00pm

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Right. 10,000 years of human beings deforesting the planet and unearthing, burning and dumping into the atmosphere tens of thousands of tons of carbon have absolutely no influence on global temperatures. Right. Everything is fucking FINE.

 

Please, attempt to stop a major volcanic eruption to prevent its destruction of everything within hundreds, if not thousands of miles, or boiling the seas (see Yellowstone Caldera). One modest volcano destroys far more life than us humans ever could. Or, try to change the ice ages and their cycles by changing less than 1/1,000,000,000,000% of what really causes it to happen, and then kid yourself into striving for immortality (see Neanderthals, Mini Ice-Age, etc).  Nothing we do will inhibit what is going to happen anyway. See how successful you can be at outliving a meteor strike (extinction event) like the one that killed the dinosaurs. You will not slide into third, jump up and yell "Safe!"

Got to think in comparative perspective, don't we? We will have to abandon the planet in some fashion to survive the planet, and it us. Unless we evolve so quickly that we somehow survive. What are the chances of that happening?

Honestly, I'm not taking sides with anything or anyone, except logic and the truth. All of the wishful thinking in the world will not make either the world, or us, any better. The Earth and the Universe will outlive us humans by many millions, even billions of years, and it really doesn't care fuck-all what we do. The planet will re-populate itself with a more successful species. Maybe tarsiers will finally figure out time/space.

Should we be better caretakers? Yes. But, we are not. Should I expect my great-great-grandson to be able to flyfish for wild trout in 150 years? I really want to think I can expect that, but, I cannot (I will be dead, you see).

Does anyone really think that cows have put more methane into the atmosphere than the dinosaurs? Or that us puny humans really have anything to do with how hot/cold the Earth is? Or that anything but physics/intelligent design/sheer chance killed off all life here not just once, but many times? Talk about narcissism! When the universe is ready, or the earth is ready, or God is ready, or just by frickin' lottery- we're gone. And the planet won't miss us. It might remember us, like the dinosaurs, if we leave fossils and such. Earth will not be hindered by humans; it will just re-form over millions of years and another successful, dominant life-form may or may not emerge; and that too will disappear when the planet is so disposed.

I am NOT trying to start a fight. I don't want there to be any venomous back and forth. I will not participate in such unless there is a direct personal attack on me. I just wish there were less naiveté in the world. YMMV.    


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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 6:58pm

Right. 10,000 years of human beings deforesting the planet and unearthing, burning and dumping into the atmosphere tens of thousands of tons of carbon have absolutely no influence on global temperatures. Right. Everything is fucking FINE.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 5:11pm

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