Apparently This Matters: Teatime for Hitler

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 8:24pm

ErikX wrote:

Very dumb. We almost have a flat tax now thanks to 30 years of Reaganomics still basically intact. Look where that has gotten us. Very deep in debt, boom and bust markets and the biggest income/wealth gap in US history which is terrible for the economy.

ok. Too late for me to continue on tonight. We do have some common ground elsewhere.

Happy to take this up later.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 8:19pm

Been a bad idea forever...hasn't changed much.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 8:18pm

kurtster wrote:

I'm for a flat tax. Where do you stand on that ?

Very dumb. We almost have a flat tax now thanks to 30 years of Reaganomics still basically intact. Look where that has gotten us. Very deep in debt, boom and bust markets and the biggest income/wealth gap in US history which is terrible for the economy.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 8:07pm

ErikX wrote:

Yeah, what do you think the Buffet Tax was? It raised the cap gains and dividend tax to 30%. I think that a dollar is a dollar and it should all be taxed at the same rate as income as in fact Reagn did! But he slashed the top income rate down to 28% first and then raised the cap gain dividend to 28%.

I'm for a flat tax. Where do you stand on that ?

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 8:04pm

kurtster wrote:

Why am I not surprised by your reply ?

None of these guys work and have taxable income. Their livelyhood is derived strictly from capital gains, unless you wish to include the pittance that Bloomberg makes as mayor. We can raise the income tax to 90% and these guys will remain unaffected. They can pay extra to the Treasury, but don't. You have willingly drunk their Kool-Aid and asked for more.

What are their positions on Capital Gains ? Do you know ? That is what will hit their pockect book. That and corporate tax rates.

Yeah, what do you think the Buffet Tax was? It raised the cap gains and dividend tax to 30%. I think that a dollar is a dollar and it should all be taxed at the same rate as income as in fact Reagn did! But he slashed the top income rate down to 28% first and then raised the cap gain dividend to 28%.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:58pm

ErikX wrote:

Bloomberg and Soros arent greedily trying to slash their own taxes. In fact I believe they support Buffet in RAISING their own taxes on billionaires. Some billionaires actually do care about the country they live in.

Why am I not surprised by your reply ?

None of these guys work and have taxable income. Their livelyhood is derived strictly from capital gains, unless you wish to include the pittance that Bloomberg makes as mayor. We can raise the income tax to 90% and these guys will remain unaffected. They can pay extra to the Treasury, but don't. You have willingly drunk their Kool-Aid and asked for more.

What are their positions on Capital Gains ? Do you know ? That is what will hit their pockect book. That and corporate tax rates.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:39pm

kurtster wrote:

I keep a raised eyebrow at the Koch Bros.

Do you do the same with Bloomberg and Soros ?

Bloomberg and Soros arent greedily trying to slash their own taxes. In fact I believe they support Buffet in RAISING their own taxes on billionaires. Some billionaires actually do care about the country they live in.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:34pm

ErikX wrote:

The Tea Party is the final swan song of the Koch Brothers who are Libertarians worth $55 billion . They started and still fund the Lib. Party and David even ran in 1980 as VP for the Lib. Party. They now also fund the Tea Party and it is nothing but a naked attempt of the Lib. Party takeover of the GOP to ultimately transfer more wealth upward from the middle class and US economy to their own Swiss bank accounts. Too bad the Tea Party grunts arent smart enough to realize that.

I keep a raised eyebrow at the Koch Bros.

Do you do the same with Bloomberg and Soros ?

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:25pm

kurtster wrote:

My heart goes out to all those affected by Mother Nature and prayers for those hurt or worse ...

Just taking time to offer an explanation of how the Tea Party is so misunderstood by the general population who has no interest in it other than wishing it would go away.

It is not a part of the Republican Party contrary to all that has been said by its detractors. The mainstream Repub Party is loathe to have it exist. We saw Speaker Boehner strip chairmanships of committees to R's aligned with the Tea Party and its core principals at the beginning of the new 2013 Congress. The Tea Party aligns itself somewhat closely witht he conservative wing on the R's, but it is the blueblood country club Rockefellers (rino's) who control the Republican Party and the Tea Party is out to get them, just as much as they are the progeressive branch of the Democrats. They want to go after the rino's just as the progressives went after the Blue Dog D's.

The TP is not about religion as its detractors claim. That is a scare tactic leveled at them by its enemies. The TP'ers that I know are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, the opposite of the rino's who are neither. True TP'ers don't worry about social issues other than they don't believe that the goverenment should pay for them. Let them find their own funding outside of government and pay their own way is the belief.. The rino's are socially conservative and fiscally liberal.

Misjudge the Tea Party at your own risk.

{#Meditate}

The Tea Party is the final swan song of the Koch Brothers who are Libertarians worth $55 billion . They started and still fund the Lib. Party and David even ran in 1980 as VP for the Lib. Party. They now also fund the Tea Party and it is nothing but a naked attempt of the Lib. Party takeover of the GOP to ultimately transfer more wealth upward from the middle class and US economy to their own Swiss bank accounts. Too bad the Tea Party grunts arent smart enough to realize that.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:11pm

islander wrote:

But the rhetoric from both parties has been steady. Why would they suddenly believe that the republicans found religion and were going to carry through with their small government talk? There has been nothing in recent history that would indicate this was the reality. If anything, the republicans proposed revenue schemes would still have a big home for the IRS - there's always going to be revenue collection.

My heart goes out to all those affected by Mother Nature and prayers for those hurt or worse ...

Just taking time to offer an explanation of how the Tea Party is so misunderstood by the general population who has no interest in it other than wishing it would go away.

It is not a part of the Republican Party contrary to all that has been said by its detractors. The mainstream Repub Party is loathe to have it exist. We saw Speaker Boehner strip chairmanships of committees to R's aligned with the Tea Party and its core principals at the beginning of the new 2013 Congress. The Tea Party aligns itself somewhat closely witht he conservative wing on the R's, but it is the blueblood country club Rockefellers (rino's) who control the Republican Party and the Tea Party is out to get them, just as much as they are the progeressive branch of the Democrats. They want to go after the rino's just as the progressives went after the Blue Dog D's.

The TP is not about religion as its detractors claim. That is a scare tactic leveled at them by its enemies. The TP'ers that I know are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, the opposite of the rino's who are neither. True TP'ers don't worry about social issues other than they don't believe that the goverenment should pay for them. Let them find their own funding outside of government and pay their own way is the belief.. The rino's are socially conservative and fiscally liberal.

Misjudge the Tea Party at your own risk.

{#Meditate}

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 6:57pm

sirdroseph wrote:

Key points of the Tea Party platform. The very existence of the Tea Party is based upon reduction and ultimately desired removal of the IRS. You can say all you want about what the Republicans and Dems have said and done in the past. The IRS and the Tea Party are natural and undeniable enemies and if you can't see that then we have nothing else to discuss in regards to this particular issue.

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens.

“Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.” —Calvin Coolidge

“A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.” —Thomas Jefferson

“Any tax is a discouragement and therefore a regulation.” —Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes?

The Fed tax to GDP ratio is only 15% vs over 40% for most developed countries.
The top marginal income tax rate is the lowest since the 1920's which is one of the reasons the markets expanded into bubbles and broke in 1929 like the Hoover Dam.
The US corporate tax revenue is only 7% of our total tax revenue which is another historic low. It was over 30% in the 1950's.

2.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 3:40pm

Coaxial wrote:

Apparently This Matters: Teatime for Hitler

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:43am

islander wrote:

But the rhetoric from both parties has been steady. Why would they suddenly believe that the republicans found religion and were going to carry through with their small government talk? There has been nothing in recent history that would indicate this was the reality. If anything, the republicans proposed revenue schemes would still have a big home for the IRS - there's always going to be revenue collection.

Key points of the Tea Party platform. The very existence of the Tea Party is based upon reduction and ultimately desired removal of the IRS. You can say all you want about what the Republicans and Dems have said and done in the past. The IRS and the Tea Party are natural and undeniable enemies and if you can't see that then we have nothing else to discuss in regards to this particular issue.

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens.

“Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.” —Calvin Coolidge

“A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.” —Thomas Jefferson

“Any tax is a discouragement and therefore a regulation.” —Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

2. Eliminate the National Debt - By implementing fiscally conservative policies at all levels of government, progress can be made toward eliminating the U.S. National Debt. Massive increases in the National Debt have created and continue to create a huge burden for the next generation of Americans, thus imperiling the country’s short-term and long-term economic health and prosperity.

“You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.” —Abraham Lincoln

“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” —Thomas Paine, 1776

“As on the one hand, the necessity for borrowing in particular emergencies cannot be doubted, so on the other, it is equally evident that to be able to borrow upon good terms, it is essential that the credit of a nation should be well established.” —Alexander Hamilton, 1790

3. Eliminate Deficit Spending - All deficit spending must be eliminated immediately. We insist that government representatives at all levels maintain a fiscally responsible budget and balance the books as would be expected of any American business.

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” —George Washington

“A penny saved is a penny earned.” —Benjamin Franklin

“Tomorrow, every Fault is to be amended; but that Tomorrow never comes.” —Benjamin Franklin

7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government - A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:35am

Coaxial wrote:

Best post of the day.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:33am

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:31am

sirdroseph wrote:

Because the overriding philosophical issue of the day is the role of government in regards to social issues, domestic security and in particular the size of domestic government payroll. The fact that the Republicans want to make the majority of the cuts in domestic government expenditures i.e. government jobs ergo IRS being one of them, puts this agency completely in bed with the Democrat party by virtually depending upon it for its very survival. That is a pretty strong and undeniable tie in for an agency with soooo much power to wreak havoc on its citizens. When Bush was President, the IRS did not feel threatened and it was politics as usual with the Republicans in charge and the IRS just doing its thing. Not to mention, Bush was a friend to government as so many Dem supporters have pointed out by virtue of adding government jobs more than Obama. In short, the IRS liked the Republicans then, but now see them as a serious threat to their very existence therefore making it irresistible for them not to exert their force to protect their jobs. Survival is one powerful motivator, the stakes are so much higher now.

But the rhetoric from both parties has been steady. Why would they suddenly believe that the republicans found religion and were going to carry through with their small government talk? There has been nothing in recent history that would indicate this was the reality. If anything, the republicans proposed revenue schemes would still have a big home for the IRS - there's always going to be revenue collection.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:29am

sirdroseph wrote:

Hey nobody claimed that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Genghis Khan or any other Facist dictator were not intelligent. Perhaps a lot of really smart people don't want that at all quite knowingly and the rest are just interested in the Jody Arias trial and the problems Justin Bieber is causing his neighbors.

Touche´

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:25am

gypsyman wrote:

Why is there such an uproar about people that want nothing more than to hold government responsible for its actions? To restore the Constitution to its rightful place as the definitive doctrine of the United States? Doesn't everybody with a brain want that?

My name is gypsyman, and I approve this message.

Hey nobody claimed that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Genghis Khan or any other Facist dictator were not intelligent. Perhaps a lot of really smart people don't want that at all quite knowingly and the rest are just interested in the Jody Arias trial and the problems Justin Bieber is causing his neighbors.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:20am

Why is there such an uproar about people that want nothing more than to hold government responsible for its actions? To restore the Constitution to its rightful place as the definitive doctrine of the United States? Doesn't everybody with a brain want that?

My name is gypsyman, and I approve this message.

Posted: May 31, 2013 - 7:17am

Red_Dragon wrote:

exactly. if it wasn't news then, why is it now?

Because the overriding philosophical issue of the day is the role of government in regards to social issues, domestic security and in particular the size of domestic government payroll. The fact that the Republicans want to make the majority of the cuts in domestic government expenditures i.e. government jobs ergo IRS being one of them, puts this agency completely in bed with the Democrat party by virtually depending upon it for its very survival. That is a pretty strong and undeniable tie in for an agency with soooo much power to wreak havoc on its citizens. When Bush was President, the IRS did not feel threatened and it was politics as usual with the Republicans in charge and the IRS just doing its thing. Not to mention, Bush was a friend to government as so many Dem supporters have pointed out by virtue of adding government jobs more than Obama. In short, the IRS liked the Republicans then, but now see them as a serious threat to their very existence therefore making it irresistible for them not to exert their force to protect their jobs. Survival is one powerful motivator, the stakes are so much higher now.