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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 4:41pm

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This is why many people prefer to call Whole Foods "Whole Paycheck" instead.

 
The holes are no doubt the result of those.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 12:10pm

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Every TJ's employee I have ever asked says they love working there, and they always seem to be having a good time (for being at work, that is). I may have posted this in the past, but my bro-in-law used to go into Whole Foods with cut off box tops showing the TJ's label and the price for items bought at TJ's and would clandestinely tape the prices next to the exact same item at WF to show the huge price differences between the two chains. Often the same box of cereal would be $2 - $3 more at WF, for instance.

 
This is why many people prefer to call Whole Foods "Whole Paycheck" instead.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 11:29am

 Rod wrote:

Every TJ's employee I have ever asked says they love working there, and they always seem to be having a good time (for being at work, that is). I may have posted this in the past, but my bro-in-law used to go into Whole Foods with cut off box tops showing the TJ's label and the price for items bought at TJ's and would clandestinely tape the prices next to the exact same item at WF to show the huge price differences between the two chains. Often the same box of cereal would be $2 - $3 more at WF, for instance.

 
 
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Posted: Sep 26, 2016 - 11:23am

So, N. May Ave. is a district now…
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Posted: Sep 23, 2016 - 3:48pm

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It's entirely possible that East Coast stores carry different fresh foods than what I've seen, but the last TJs I was in had fresh fish (frozen whole filets) (Bellingham, Washington)... but again, TJs doesn't try to compete on every item with a full-service store. You can get meat there, but it's not always the ideal selection compared with a real fish or meat market. 
 
TJ's benefits are pretty well regarded. Like Costco, employees in what you might call an entry-level job are happy to stay there for years.

 
Every TJ's employee I have ever asked says they love working there, and they always seem to be having a good time (for being at work, that is). I may have posted this in the past, but my bro-in-law used to go into Whole Foods with cut off box tops showing the TJ's label and the price for items bought at TJ's and would clandestinely tape the prices next to the exact same item at WF to show the huge price differences between the two chains. Often the same box of cereal would be $2 - $3 more at WF, for instance.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2016 - 9:35am

We’re getting some new crime infested Walmarts!!!
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Posted: Sep 21, 2016 - 10:32am

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Posted: Sep 21, 2016 - 10:01am

We Have A New State Seismologist!
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 1:43pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

It's entirely possible that East Coast stores carry different fresh foods than what I've seen, but the last TJs I was in had fresh fish (frozen whole filets) (Bellingham, Washington)... but again, TJs doesn't try to compete on every item with a full-service store. You can get meat there, but it's not always the ideal selection compared with a real fish or meat market. 
 
TJ's benefits are pretty well regarded. Like Costco, employees in what you might call an entry-level job are happy to stay there for years.
 
the tj's store here is tiny by comparison

i've tried almost all of their offerings

some of the frozen dinners (in a bag or box aren't bad)

maybe they have a, b, c stores

it's good to see they offer benefits

i'm sure they have a match of a few percent on their retirement

the biggie would be who pays health insurance

 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 1:28pm

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one example: tj's has breaded frozen fish sticks versus a fresh whole snapper at whole foods
 
It's entirely possible that East Coast stores carry different fresh foods than what I've seen, but the last TJs I was in had fresh fish (frozen whole filets) (Bellingham, Washington)... but again, TJs doesn't try to compete on every item with a full-service store. You can get meat there, but it's not always the ideal selection compared with a real fish or meat market. 
 
TJ's benefits are pretty well regarded. Like Costco, employees in what you might call an entry-level job are happy to stay there for years.


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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 1:16pm

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A quick look at Glassdoor shows TJs pays floor help $13.50 vs $11.50 at Whole Foods.
 
Disclaimer: I am totally making this next part up: Whole Foods is a larger/full size store. As stores scale up in size, the percentage of waste actually increases. Maybe Whole Foods is expensive partly because they are meticulous about record-keeping and not having food go out of date, but most stores consider an empty shelf to be much worse than throwing out a few packages of food. That kind of control is expensive. Stocking several varieties of the same thing is expensive. Maybe the food's better, and they certainly hope you think so, but a lot of the cost, I think, is in stocking more gourmet stuff (not just expensive brands of things everyone eats, but less common items like that quinoa biscuit you're so fond of). They put these things on the shelf, knowing some people will buy it, but also knowing others will say "wow, they have those cool quinoa biscuits like I saw that Peruvian guy throw at a dog" as they go buy some organic house brand Cheerios and that whole experience makes people associate Whole Foods with something better, even though there's a dumpster full of quinoa biscuits, it's a net positive for them. Or something. 

 
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i think that whole foods offers benefits too

health coverage, retirement, etc.

i read conscious capitalism, a good book

of course all of that could change

my tj's and whole foods are across the street from each other

so i can easily see the difference (size, offerings and quality)

one example: tj's has breaded frozen fish sticks versus a fresh whole snapper at whole foods

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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 1:14pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

A quick look at Glassdoor shows TJs pays floor help $13.50 vs $11.50 at Whole Foods.
 
Disclaimer: I am totally making this next part up: Whole Foods is a larger/full size store. As stores scale up in size, the percentage of waste actually increases. Maybe Whole Foods is expensive partly because they are meticulous about record-keeping and not having food go out of date, but most stores consider an empty shelf to be much worse than throwing out a few packages of food. That kind of control is expensive. Stocking several varieties of the same thing is expensive. Maybe the food's better, and they certainly hope you think so, but a lot of the cost, I think, is in stocking more gourmet stuff (not just expensive brands of things everyone eats, but less common items like that quinoa biscuit you're so fond of). They put these things on the shelf, knowing some people will buy it, but also knowing others will say "wow, they have those cool quinoa biscuits like I saw that Peruvian guy throw at a dog" as they go buy some organic house brand Cheerios and that whole experience makes people associate Whole Foods with something better, even though there's a dumpster full of quinoa biscuits, it's a net positive for them. Or something. 

 
The TJ's here initially hired most people as "temps", or "contractors" (crew) - working them fewer than 40 hours per week and not qualifying them for any benefits or any full-time employee status - I don't know if they still do that.  The Whole Foods here would eventually hire people after a probationary period (3 weeks? IDR), then that person qualified for benefits (pretty good ones IIRC) and gain-sharing.  When I got a "buyer" title in the late '90s at WF, I qualified for a salary instead of hourly, but then I got knobbed on that because of unpaid overtime.  John Mackey is an arrogant prick for the most part, and he vehemently despises organized labor, but there are worse service/retail places to work than Whole Foods.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 1:01pm

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as compared to whole foods which actually has much better food (why it is more expensive and they pay their help very well - bernie would call it a living wage)

 
A quick look at Glassdoor shows TJs pays floor help $13.50 vs $11.50 at Whole Foods.
 
Disclaimer: I am totally making this next part up: Whole Foods is a larger/full size store. As stores scale up in size, the percentage of waste actually increases. Maybe Whole Foods is expensive partly because they are meticulous about record-keeping and not having food go out of date, but most stores consider an empty shelf to be much worse than throwing out a few packages of food. That kind of control is expensive. Stocking several varieties of the same thing is expensive. Maybe the food's better, and they certainly hope you think so, but a lot of the cost, I think, is in stocking more gourmet stuff (not just expensive brands of things everyone eats, but less common items like that quinoa biscuit you're so fond of). They put these things on the shelf, knowing some people will buy it, but also knowing others will say "wow, they have those cool quinoa biscuits like I saw that Peruvian guy throw at a dog" as they go buy some organic house brand Cheerios and that whole experience makes people associate Whole Foods with something better, even though there's a dumpster full of quinoa biscuits, it's a net positive for them. Or something. 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 12:41pm

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{#Yes}

 
nothing wrong with joe's, but i was a little ruined by our regs here (publix- is a very good supermarket)

as compared to whole foods which actually has much better food (why it is more expensive and they pay their help very well - bernie would call it a living wage)

the aldi's comparison to tj's was total cost per meal (monthly buying in bulk)

i like a nice storefront with flower children helping me too, but the end of the day you want the highest quality for the best price

tj's has a nice following and works for a lot of peeps  {#Cheers}

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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 12:03pm

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And yet you deign to decrepitate...
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 10:34am

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I thought they were developed by brothers. Same family, but radically different style.  I'm Team TJ - dried mango, hashbrowns, vanilla cake, hummus, instant meals,pizza dough, it's all good. The fresh stuff can be hit or miss, and I'd like a bigger store, but Aldi's feels like an upsized convenience store to me.

 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 10:27am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I've never been in an Aldi's but the American wing of Aldi's does own TJs. From what I've read, Aldi's presentation is more like Costco?. I like going to Trader Joe's because the people are nice and helpful. 

 
I thought they were developed by brothers. Same family, but radically different style.  I'm Team TJ - dried mango, hashbrowns, vanilla cake, hummus, instant meals,pizza dough, it's all good. The fresh stuff can be hit or miss, and I'd like a bigger store, but Aldi's feels like an upsized convenience store to me.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 10:16am

Great, now Oklahoma is home to the world’s longest lightning bolt…
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Posted: Sep 20, 2016 - 7:44am

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kiplinger's has done the research and made their case that aldi's is the better place to shop
 
I don't know why I care because I'm a day's drive from either of them but as they expand into these hinterlands, I'm sure they'll have more and more overlap. I didn't think that article was compelling though. The box store concept is pretty depressing most of the time.
 
(box store as opposed to big box store) 


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