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Posted: Aug 25, 2015 - 12:00pm

I have actually changed my opinion on this so called deal, I support it.  Now, this has nothing to do with the deal itself, it is a joke as I said before we cannot stop Iran from eventually getting the bomb short of all out war and most sane people do not want that (unfortunately many of the insane are in positions of power{#Rolleyes}).  The reason I support it is that the Iraninan people support it because contrary to neocons and the Murica Toby Keith crowd, the Persians actually like our culture and long to reconcile our differences even some in the hardline government.  I have heard reports from Iran that the deal is all they want to talk about and are excited and more importantly emboldened to criticize their own hard line government now that they think we are trying to meet them half way.  This is far more valuable than centrifuges and inspections.  We are missing a golden opportunity to give the people of Iran hope which will hopefully light a fire under the resistance changing the government from within to something that is at least workable for a true relationship between our two countries.  {#Pray}  All those arguing for or against the deal based on the premise that Iran should never have nuclear weapons is completely missing the point imo.


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Posted: Aug 12, 2015 - 6:02am


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Posted: Aug 10, 2015 - 8:41am

 sirdroseph wrote:
That is a given and quite frankly irrelevant to stating this particular treaty has to be signed or we automatically have to capitulate to the neocons demands.  Have we really disintigrated that much that we have no choice anymore?  Sounds like the so called "progressives" are taking the same you are either with us or agin' us tone as the right wing neo cons and the with us is stopping Iran's nuclear weapon capability through treaties which is quite frankly not doable at this time.  US needs to change it's policy and behavior in regards to the Middle East as a whole, not push faux meaningless treaties for political points that change absolutely nothing regarding Iranian overall behaviour in opposing evertyhing the US stands for.  Until this is addressed, it is nothing but political posturing as Rome continues to burn.......
 
It's only irrelevant if you're willing to ignore the response of the (American) hardliners to the Iran agreement.

Uhm, it's been like that for a while... At least since 2003 (if not 2001). Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and as always the promise of the ultimate bellicose wet dream of them all, Iran.

Neocons are active in both parties. Hillary is just as hawkish.

Even Trump, the consummate bully, claims he would have gotten a better deal.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2015 - 8:24am

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You're conveniently leaving out that some of it is clearly a response to hawkish hardliners uttering threats.

 

That is a given and quite frankly irrelevant to stating this particular treaty has to be signed or we automatically have to capitulate to the neocons demands.  Have we really disintigrated that much that we have no choice anymore?  Sounds like the so called "progressives" are taking the same you are either with us or agin' us tone as the right wing neo cons and the with us is stopping Iran's nuclear weapon capability through treaties which is quite frankly not doable at this time.  US needs to change it's policy and behavior in regards to the Middle East as a whole, not push faux meaningless treaties for political points that change absolutely nothing regarding Iranian overall behaviour in opposing everything the US supports.  Until this is addressed, it is nothing but political posturing as Rome continues to burn....... 


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Posted: Aug 10, 2015 - 8:19am

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The fact that the supporters of the Iran nuclear deal are stating that the only alternative to the treaty is war is alarming to say the least, these are the antiwar people??  How about this alternative; do nothing in regards to sanctions or treaties and stop our damaging, meddling Middle East policy that has been ongoing since the late 40s regarding Israel and the support of despotic dictators who have little regard for their own people? Even Bernie Sanders is pushing this ridiculous notion. This particular deal or war?  That's it, huh?   Who made up the rules regarding who is allowed or not allowed nuclear weapons anyway?{#Rolleyes}
 
You're conveniently leaving out that some of it is clearly a response to hawkish hardliners uttering threats.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2015 - 7:57am

The fact that the supporters of the Iran nuclear deal are stating that the only alternative to the treaty is war is alarming to say the least, these are the antiwar people??  How about this alternative; do nothing in regards to sanctions or treaties and stop our damaging, meddling Middle East policy that has been ongoing since the late 40s regarding Israel and the support of despotic dictators who have little regard for their own people? Even Bernie Sanders is pushing this ridiculous notion. This particular deal or war?  That's it, huh?   Who made up the rules regarding who is allowed or not allowed nuclear weapons anyway?{#Rolleyes}

Edit: for those who genuinely believe this deal prevents Iran from having a nuclear weapon, so sorry.  Iran is laughing at us now, they got their cake (removal of sanctions) and get to eat it too (continuation of nuclear weapon development).  My point is so what?  MAD has worked for years and even with North Korea, do we really think that Iranians are that hell bent on Israel's destruction that they will sacrifice themselves?  The whole thing is a joke.  

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Posted: Jul 28, 2015 - 12:41pm

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I just think it is funny the Ayatollah is on Twitter!{#Lol}

 
You should see his restaurant reviews on Yelp.  The guy's merciless, especially when it comes to someone not making fried okra "just right".
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Posted: Jul 28, 2015 - 11:55am

I just think it is funny the Ayatollah is on Twitter!{#Lol}

Tweet from Iran leader's account seems to show Obama with a gun to his head



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Posted: Apr 22, 2015 - 11:59am

I'll huff and I'll puff...
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Posted: Apr 4, 2015 - 5:12pm

On (more) war propaganda in that liberal rag...
The Factual Errors in John Bolton's "Bomb Iran!" Op-Ed in the New York Times – and Why You Should Care - The Intercept

Last week, at a crucial moment in nuclear negotiations between the U.S. and Iran, the New York Times published an op-ed by former U.S. Ambassador to the UN John Bolton titled “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran.” As I pointed out at the time, the Times accidentally undermined him by linking one of his key claims to an explanation of why that claim was wrong. After I asked about it, the Times changed the link.

Bolton’s many other factual mistakes, detailed below, have also not been corrected — on top of which, Bolton failed to make a relevant disclosure about his paid work for a group that advocates the overthrow of the Iranian regime. It’s worth dwelling on these problems a bit given that Bolton’s perspective has a significant constituency in Congress — which could still derail the accord the White House is closing in on with the Iranians. (...)

Let's also not forget that anyone who'd dare say the same criminal nonsense about the US of A would likely end up on next Tuesday's kill list...
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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 4:47pm

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You do know that Rush Limbaugh is behind Paul Shanklin, eh ?
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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 4:33pm

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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 3:57pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Yet another modest neocon proposal...
To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran
By JOHN R. BOLTON


What's a couple of more millions?

 

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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 3:35pm

Yet another modest neocon proposal...
To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran
By JOHN R. BOLTON


What's a couple of more millions (of dead people)?
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Posted: Mar 6, 2015 - 5:09am

Iran Worried U.S. Might Be Building 8,500th Nuclear Weapon
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Posted: Sep 19, 2014 - 6:03am

No happiness allowed.
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Posted: Apr 25, 2014 - 3:48pm

Iranian mother who spared her son's killer: 'Vengeance has left my heart' | World | The Guardian
Samereh Alinejad tells the Guardian she had no intention of sparing her son's killer, Balal, until the moment she asked for the noose to be removed from his neck

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Posted: Apr 8, 2014 - 2:15pm

I'll see your ante and raise you...
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Posted: Jan 29, 2014 - 10:33pm

Obama repels new Iran sanctions push, for now
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Posted: Jan 20, 2014 - 7:44am

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Interesting article. Iran's politics are very complicated and don't fit into the West's pigeon-hole categories of "left" and "right".
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