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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 7:01pm



 
kurtster wrote:
Gruber is a lot of things, but he is not an idiot.  He created both Romneycare and Obamacare.  

Howze it go ? ... Fool me once ...

I cannot recall how many times I asked just how stupid does Obama think we are ?  Now we have a clue.

I guess if one was called stupid, they might call the person who called them stupid an idiot.

Obama took the stupidity of a large segment of our population for granted and got away with hijacking one sixth of our economy along with our personal health and well being.

Those of us who screamed about how bad this was, are still called all kinds of things, from racist on down the line.

I don't have to thank Obama for this one, I can thank all you stupid people out there who were so desperate to throw the baby out with the bath water to get what ?  Rosemary's Baby in exchange ?  

After 6 years in office and with this latest revelation, if I weren't stupid, I believe that I might rightly conclude that Obama does not have the best interest of us citizens as his motivation to transform this country.  He is the leader of the desperate, stupid.and clueless amongst us.

This is not a personal attack on anyone here.  Its just how I feel.

{#Cowboy} 
 


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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 9:01am

 Coaxial wrote:

Can you please turn autoplay off? Thanks.

 
Yeah,the lisping chipmunk voice gets old real quick.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 8:58am

Gruber is a lot of things, but he is not an idiot.  He created both Romneycare and Obamacare.  

Howze it go ? ... Fool me once ...

I cannot recall how many times I asked just how stupid does Obama think we are ?  Now we have a clue.

I guess if one was called stupid, they might call the person who called them stupid an idiot.

Obama took the stupidity of a large segment of our population for granted and got away with hijacking one sixth of our economy along with our personal health and well being.

Those of us who screamed about how bad this was, are still called all kinds of things, from racist on down the line.

I don't have to thank Obama for this one, I can thank all you stupid people out there who were so desperate to throw the baby out with the bath water to get what ?  Rosemary's Baby in exchange ?  

After 6 years in office and with this latest revelation, if I weren't stupid, I believe that I might rightly conclude that Obama does not have the best interest of us citizens as his motivation to transform this country.  He is the leader of the desperate, stupid.and clueless amongst us.

This is not a personal attack on anyone here.  Its just how I feel.

{#Cowboy} 


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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 8:09am

 Coaxial wrote:

Can you please turn autoplay off? Thanks.
 
I second that.  hhhmmm...wonder if there is any coincidence in  an ad from Health Partners plays as prelude to a critique of the ACA.  However many faults the ACA has (many), bogus bs like this guy's does nothing to advance the discussion.

Dragon.. {#Arrowd}  My hope is that the ACA, with its myriad flaws, will help motivate the move to Universal Health Care.  Repealing it to revert the former status quo would be an incredible mistake, imo.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 7:39am

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Can you please turn autoplay off? Thanks.


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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 7:35am

 ScottN wrote:
The stupidity (and apathy) of he American Voter is apparent in countless ways. Don't stop here.  This guy is an idiot...probably he voted as well as perhaps having had a small part in the ACA.


I agree. If the American voter had any sense he'd elected a government that would provide a single-payer system like other decent nations.
 


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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 7:14am

 sirdroseph wrote:
The stupidity (and apathy) of he American Voter is apparent in countless ways. Don't stop here.  This guy is an idiot...probably he voted as well as perhaps having had a small part in the ACA.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2014 - 7:03am


ObamaCare Architect Boasts: The Law Was Passed Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’




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Posted: Oct 27, 2014 - 8:22pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Yeah, but you have to be impressed that the leader of the free world, in the face of his other challenges and personal aspirations - he still took time to personally strike a deal with those private companies so that they wouldn't mail those books in time so that his plans could continue. At least he's trying.
 

 
And its such a coincidence that those same companies are in cahoots with Medicare telling us they wont tell us what the new Medicare fees will be taken from our SSD and Social Security checks until after the elections also. I guess they don't want to piss off all those seniors before they vote.


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Posted: Oct 27, 2014 - 8:00pm

Earlier this month, I found out our our premiums for our Advantage plans are going up 40%, our formulary was changing to include less drugs and higher deductibles and co pays and that our network doctors were changing.  We received our new formulary and rate hikes for drugs in 2015, but we have not received the books for our network doctors yet.

We called last week to find out where the books for our network doctors and hospitals are and we were told that they would not be mailed until November 5th, the day after the election.  WTF ?  But of course, critical information such as that is always withheld until after elections.  That is Obama's way, afterall.  An informed voter is a bad voter ...

" If you like you doctor, you can keep your doctor. "

So not only do we have to wait until after the election to find out, we have to decide by December 7th which plan to go with.  That is roughly 4 weeks at most depending on if and when the booklets arrive.  That is supposed to be enough time to find out about alternate plans, should ours change too much ?

Thanks Obama ! 
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Posted: Oct 27, 2014 - 6:55pm

Is the Affordable Care Act Working?


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Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 3:59am

 MrsHobieJoe wrote:

I thought we knew this already, at least I'm sure it's been mentioned here before. I still prefer our system but to each his own.

 

I do too, that is exactly my point.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 - 11:09pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Another part of article I posted on another thread, but this succinctly articulates what I have been saying about ACA.  This highlights the extreme hypocrisy of both the so called conservatives who oppose the ACA and the so called liberals who support it:

Health Reform

Contrary to rants that Obama’s 2010 health reform, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), is the most socialistic legislation in American history, the reality is that it is virtually textbook Republican health policy, with a pedigree from the Heritage Foundation and Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, among others.

It’s important to remember that historically the left-Democratic approach to healthcare reform was always based on a fully government-run system such as Medicare or Medicaid. During debate on health reform in 2009, this approach was called “single payer,” with the government being the single payer. One benefit of this approach is cost control: the government could use its monopsony buying power to force down prices just as Walmart does with its suppliers.

Conservatives wanted to avoid too much government control and were adamantly opposed to single-payer. But they recognized that certain problems required more than a pure free-market solution. One problem in particular is covering people with pre-existing conditions, one of the most popular provisions in ACA. The difficulty is that people may wait until they get sick before buying insurance and then expect full coverage for their conditions. Obviously, this free-rider problem would bankrupt the health-insurance system unless there was a fix.

The conservative solution was the individual mandate—forcing people to buy private health insurance, with subsidies for the poor. This approach was first put forward by Heritage Foundation economist Stuart Butler in a 1989 paper, “A Framework for Reform,” published in a Heritage Foundation book, A National Health System for America. In it, Butler said the number one element of a conservative health system was this: “Every resident of the U.S. must, by law, be enrolled in an adequate health care plan to cover major health costs.” He went on to say:

Under this arrangement, all households would be required to protect themselves from major medical costs by purchasing health insurance or enrolling in a prepaid health plan. The degree of financial protection can be debated, but the principle of mandatory family protection is central to a universal health care system in America.

In 1991, prominent conservative health economist Mark V. Pauley also endorsed the individual mandate as central to healthcare reform. In an article in the journal Health Affairs, Pauley said:

All citizens should be required to obtain a basic level of health insurance. Not having health insurance imposes a risk of delaying medical care; it also may impose costs on others, because we as a society provide care to the uninsured. … Permitting individuals to remain uninsured results in inefficient use of medical care, inequity in the incidence of costs of uncompensated care, and tax-related distortions.

In 2004, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) endorsed an individual mandate in a speech to the National Press Club. “I believe higher-income Americans today do have a societal and personal responsibility to cover in some way themselves and their children,” he said. Even libertarian Ron Bailey, writing in Reason, conceded the necessity of a mandate in a November 2004 article titled, “Mandatory Health Insurance Now!” Said Bailey: “Why shouldn’t we require people who now get health care at the expense of the rest of us pay for their coverage themselves? … Mandatory health insurance would not be unlike the laws that require drivers to purchase auto insurance or pay into state-run risk pools.”

Among those enamored with the emerging conservative health reform based on an individual mandate was Mitt Romney, who was elected governor of Massachusetts in 2002. In 2004, he put forward a state health reform plan to which he later added an individual mandate. As Romney explained in June 2005, “No more ‘free riding,’ if you will, where an individual says: ‘I’m not going to pay, even though I can afford it. I’m not going to get insurance, even though I can afford it. I’m instead going to just show up and make the taxpayers pay for me’.”

The following month, Romney emphasized his point: “We can’t have as a nation 40 million people—or, in my state, half a million—saying, ‘I don’t have insurance, and if I get sick, I want someone else to pay’.”

In 2006, Governor Romney signed the Massachusetts health reform into law, including the individual mandate. Defending his legislation in a Wall Street Journal article, he said:

I proposed that everyone must either purchase a product of their choice or demonstrate that they can pay for their own health care. It’s a personal responsibility principle.

Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate. But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian.

As late as 2008, Robert Moffitt of the Heritage Foundation was still defending the individual mandate as reasonable, non-ideological and nonpartisan in an article for the Harvard Health Policy Review.

So what changed just a year later, when Obama put forward a health-reform plan that was almost a carbon copy of those previously endorsed by the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney, and other Republicans? The only thing is that it was now supported by a Democratic president that Republicans vowed to fight on every single issue, according to Robert Draper’s book Do Not Ask What Good We Do.

Senior Obama adviser David Axelrod later admitted that Romney’s Massachusetts plan was the “template” for Obama’s plan. “That work inspired our own health plan,” he said in 2011. But no one in the White House said so back in 2009. I once asked a senior Obama aide why. His answer was that once Republicans refused to negotiate on health reform and Obama had to win only with Democratic votes, it would have been counterproductive, politically, to point out the Obama plan’s Republican roots.

The left wing of the House Democratic caucus was dubious enough about Obama’s plan as it was, preferring a single-payer plan. Thus it was necessary for Obama to portray his plan as more liberal than it really was to get the Democratic votes needed for passage, which of course played right into the Republicans’ hands. But the reality is that ACA remains a very modest reform based on Republican and conservative ideas.



 
I thought we knew this already, at least I'm sure it's been mentioned here before. I still prefer our system but to each his own.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 - 2:37pm

just got a notice from my ins co

my plan is going away as of dec 31

new premiums?

i'm getting jacked

or i can take my chances on the state's new exchange

where's my bailout?


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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 - 11:07am

Another part of article I posted on another thread, but this succinctly articulates what I have been saying about ACA.  This highlights the extreme hypocrisy of both the so called conservatives who oppose the ACA and the so called liberals who support it:

Health Reform

Contrary to rants that Obama’s 2010 health reform, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), is the most socialistic legislation in American history, the reality is that it is virtually textbook Republican health policy, with a pedigree from the Heritage Foundation and Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, among others.

It’s important to remember that historically the left-Democratic approach to healthcare reform was always based on a fully government-run system such as Medicare or Medicaid. During debate on health reform in 2009, this approach was called “single payer,” with the government being the single payer. One benefit of this approach is cost control: the government could use its monopsony buying power to force down prices just as Walmart does with its suppliers.

Conservatives wanted to avoid too much government control and were adamantly opposed to single-payer. But they recognized that certain problems required more than a pure free-market solution. One problem in particular is covering people with pre-existing conditions, one of the most popular provisions in ACA. The difficulty is that people may wait until they get sick before buying insurance and then expect full coverage for their conditions. Obviously, this free-rider problem would bankrupt the health-insurance system unless there was a fix.

The conservative solution was the individual mandate—forcing people to buy private health insurance, with subsidies for the poor. This approach was first put forward by Heritage Foundation economist Stuart Butler in a 1989 paper, “A Framework for Reform,” published in a Heritage Foundation book, A National Health System for America. In it, Butler said the number one element of a conservative health system was this: “Every resident of the U.S. must, by law, be enrolled in an adequate health care plan to cover major health costs.” He went on to say:

Under this arrangement, all households would be required to protect themselves from major medical costs by purchasing health insurance or enrolling in a prepaid health plan. The degree of financial protection can be debated, but the principle of mandatory family protection is central to a universal health care system in America.

In 1991, prominent conservative health economist Mark V. Pauley also endorsed the individual mandate as central to healthcare reform. In an article in the journal Health Affairs, Pauley said:

All citizens should be required to obtain a basic level of health insurance. Not having health insurance imposes a risk of delaying medical care; it also may impose costs on others, because we as a society provide care to the uninsured. … Permitting individuals to remain uninsured results in inefficient use of medical care, inequity in the incidence of costs of uncompensated care, and tax-related distortions.

In 2004, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) endorsed an individual mandate in a speech to the National Press Club. “I believe higher-income Americans today do have a societal and personal responsibility to cover in some way themselves and their children,” he said. Even libertarian Ron Bailey, writing in Reason, conceded the necessity of a mandate in a November 2004 article titled, “Mandatory Health Insurance Now!” Said Bailey: “Why shouldn’t we require people who now get health care at the expense of the rest of us pay for their coverage themselves? … Mandatory health insurance would not be unlike the laws that require drivers to purchase auto insurance or pay into state-run risk pools.”

Among those enamored with the emerging conservative health reform based on an individual mandate was Mitt Romney, who was elected governor of Massachusetts in 2002. In 2004, he put forward a state health reform plan to which he later added an individual mandate. As Romney explained in June 2005, “No more ‘free riding,’ if you will, where an individual says: ‘I’m not going to pay, even though I can afford it. I’m not going to get insurance, even though I can afford it. I’m instead going to just show up and make the taxpayers pay for me’.”

The following month, Romney emphasized his point: “We can’t have as a nation 40 million people—or, in my state, half a million—saying, ‘I don’t have insurance, and if I get sick, I want someone else to pay’.”

In 2006, Governor Romney signed the Massachusetts health reform into law, including the individual mandate. Defending his legislation in a Wall Street Journal article, he said:

I proposed that everyone must either purchase a product of their choice or demonstrate that they can pay for their own health care. It’s a personal responsibility principle.

Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate. But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian.

As late as 2008, Robert Moffitt of the Heritage Foundation was still defending the individual mandate as reasonable, non-ideological and nonpartisan in an article for the Harvard Health Policy Review.

So what changed just a year later, when Obama put forward a health-reform plan that was almost a carbon copy of those previously endorsed by the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney, and other Republicans? The only thing is that it was now supported by a Democratic president that Republicans vowed to fight on every single issue, according to Robert Draper’s book Do Not Ask What Good We Do.

Senior Obama adviser David Axelrod later admitted that Romney’s Massachusetts plan was the “template” for Obama’s plan. “That work inspired our own health plan,” he said in 2011. But no one in the White House said so back in 2009. I once asked a senior Obama aide why. His answer was that once Republicans refused to negotiate on health reform and Obama had to win only with Democratic votes, it would have been counterproductive, politically, to point out the Obama plan’s Republican roots.

The left wing of the House Democratic caucus was dubious enough about Obama’s plan as it was, preferring a single-payer plan. Thus it was necessary for Obama to portray his plan as more liberal than it really was to get the Democratic votes needed for passage, which of course played right into the Republicans’ hands. But the reality is that ACA remains a very modest reform based on Republican and conservative ideas.




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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 - 5:09am

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

Pick one and get the care you need NOW. Your foot isn't going to wait too long, right? You can always change next enrollment period.

 
FWIW, we have Anthem as a provider for several years now and are happy.  They do have people that will call you and follow up as well as you can ask them questions for concerns.

Its about who has the biggest network and doctors closest to you.  Anthem is a big national, which can be a good thing these days. And yes, you can always change the next enrollment period if it doesn't work as well as you hope.

 
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 - 5:02am

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

Pick one and get the care you need NOW. Your foot isn't going to wait too long, right? You can always change next enrollment period.

 
i agree

take some action there dude

chin sac up please
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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 - 10:11pm

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

Pick one and get the care you need NOW. Your foot isn't going to wait too long, right? You can always change next enrollment period.

 
I'll call the county medical tomorrow and talk to someone. they have some people there just for that.
I know I saw a ratings guide and the one I wanted to pick has a big hand-made
sign on their building that says NO OBAMACARES ACCEPTED HERE!!! 
Is this red neck country or what? Once again, the autistic gets to scrape the
bottom of the barrel. 
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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 - 10:03pm

 Manbird wrote:
I have some kind of obamacare/medical and they gave me 3 choices of plans. One eas kaiser so I picked that one.
Then they call and said I couldn't pick kaiser unless I was already a member for at least a year. Now I have two to pick
from:California Health and Wellness or Anthem. How do I know which to pick> Jeez, what a runaround. I'm thinking about
keeping the guy I was seeing in Santa Rosa but he's so far. I have a feeling whatever I pick, it's going to be shit
quality care. 

 
Pick one and get the care you need NOW. Your foot isn't going to wait too long, right? You can always change next enrollment period.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 - 9:52pm

I have some kind of obamacare/medical and they gave me 3 choices of plans. One eas kaiser so I picked that one.
Then they call and said I couldn't pick kaiser unless I was already a member for at least a year. Now I have two to pick
from:California Health and Wellness or Anthem. How do I know which to pick> Jeez, what a runaround. I'm thinking about
keeping the guy I was seeing in Santa Rosa but he's so far. I have a feeling whatever I pick, it's going to be shit
quality care. 


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