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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 - 8:11am

Over here we can digress as is customary at RP ...

Today's SCOTUS ruling is a big slap in the face of Obamacare and its intent, which is to bypass all input from Congress and the public as a whole.

The ACA as written puts all the policy and regulation writing in the hands of an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy.  The ACA is deliberately set up to be piecemealed  into place on an ad hoc basis at the sole discretion of a small group of union protectred bureaucrats who cannot be fired or reprimanded and do not participate in the system ala the IRS which has exempted itself and its union employees from being subject to the ACA of which they are the administrators thereof.

The deliberate overreach of the Executive Branch has once again been exposed and smacked down. 

And an attempt to smack down the SCOTUS by trying to infer that they are just another bureaucracy is chilling. 
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 11:21am

Actually, the VA 'scandal' is over a month old and the Secretary is gone now.

I've been watching it unfold and no one has even mentioned it here until now.  Enough time has elapsed to make valid comments based upon observations.

Since the story broke we have also learned that the VA has spent over $500 million on furniture in the past 4 years, instead of upgrading services or replacing a computer system put in place in the 90's.  But with the Obamacare roll out, maybe spending the money on furniture was a better deal than another computer system.

But the biggest part that none of youz have commented on is how there is actual rationing of services by bureaucrats seeking performance bonuses using secret waiting lists.  And in Phoenix alone, 40 vets are dead as a result.  At first it was thought to be an isolated event.  Now we know of over 40 other locations doing the same thing.  Worst of all, due to union rules, no one can be fired.  Me, I want to see those managing the secret lists charged with 1st Degree murder for deliberately withholding medical services in order for personal financial gain.

To ignore the parallel of how the bureaucracy will function in another government run single payer healthcare system is at least foolish and more than likely deadly to many.  What we are learning now about the VA and the bureaucrat's union, the .gov is the last thing that should run a national level healthcare system.

Those who wish to state that oversight will prevent this from happening again are deluded.  This has nothing to do with the election cycle.  This is Obama's baby even though he has already tried to blame Bush.  Obama is not up for re election.  Obama has shown only the minimal amount of interest in this mess, even though he said he knew about as a Senator and was warned about it during the transition from Bush to his administration. 

This is about a bureaucracy too big to manage.  This is about a President who doesn't give a rat's ass about the military or fixing things.  And it is about Unions.   It is the future of our medicine when bureaucrats and unions get in the way of the doctors and patients by being gatekeepers.
 
Those who are trying to claim partisan politics are revealing themselves to be the real partisans. 


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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 11:16am

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Actually I think both of you are reading too much into it. 
 
Well Kurt is. My partially-formed thought was discarded last week sometime, only brought back to the surface by his dot-connecting.

I liked the FP link  
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 11:02am

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Truer words, Sir.{#Cheers}

 
Check this out:

How to get a BA in international relations in 5 minutes

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/05/19/how_to_get_a_ba_in_international_relations_in_5_minutes

Have a read.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 10:57am

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( deletia )

I was going to say much more.  But you know.  Wasted effort.

But hey, do carry on with your delusions. 

 

Truer words, Sir.{#Cheers}
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 10:42am

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Actually I think both of you are reading too much into it. I just hope we as a country can start treating our veterans better, starting by fewer and only absolutely essential deployments then by taking care of all of the physical, mental and emotional issues caused by all of the horrible crap our heartless, greedy politicians put them through.

I just love the fact that usually the most vocal "support the troops" crowds are the same ones that are so eager to deploy them cause....murica!{#Rolleyes}  Best way to support our troops is to bring them home and stop sending them to all of these horrible places to further the interest of the corporate oligarchy.    

 


( deletia )

I was going to say much more.  But you know.  Wasted effort.

But hey, do carry on with your delusions. 
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 10:31am

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Exactly. So why the blowup now? Having Kurt mention it in this Obamacare thread only bolstered my hunch that the current dustup is something that was rolled out for a purpose beyond just shaking things up at the VA. 
 
Of course Fox et al haven't said anything, but if it doesn't gain traction, I'm sure they will. Right now they're just letting the Kurts of the world connect the dots.

/tinfoil 

 

Actually I think both of you are reading too much into it. I just hope we as a country can start treating our veterans better, starting by fewer and only absolutely essential deployments then by taking care of all of the physical, mental and emotional issues caused by all of the horrible crap our heartless, greedy politicians put them through.

I just love the fact that usually the most vocal "support the troops" crowds are the same ones that are so eager to deploy them cause....murica!{#Rolleyes}  Best way to support our troops is to bring them home and stop sending them to all of these horrible places to further the interest of the corporate oligarchy.    
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 10:20am

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There are real problems with the VA that need to be addressed and this has been ongoing under many different administrations. 
 
Exactly. So why the blowup now? Having Kurt mention it in this Obamacare thread only bolstered my hunch that the current dustup is something that was rolled out for a purpose beyond just shaking things up at the VA. 
 
Of course Fox et al haven't said anything, but if it doesn't gain traction, I'm sure they will. Right now they're just letting the Kurts of the world connect the dots.

/tinfoil 
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 10:13am

 Proclivities wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:


Got it, VA scandal is purely manufactured and our veterans are and have been getting the expeditious care they need. There is really no problem at all.  Check.


From what I can see in Scott's post, he didn't state that the VA "scandal" was manufactured, but that the parallels drawn between DVA health care and Obamacare/single payer systems were.

 

I never even thought to draw those parallels and this is the first I have heard of anyone even mentioning this correlation.  I have not even heard the media (even Fox) speculate this at all.  I do see this being relevant in a response to Kurt's comment, but I really doubt this scandal has anything at all to do with Obamacare in any way.  There are real problems with the VA that need to be addressed and this has been ongoing under many different administrations.  There is a long term serious structural issue with the VA that really does need to be addressed, all partisan bikering aside.  
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 9:48am

 Proclivities wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:


Got it, VA scandal is purely manufactured and our veterans are and have been getting the expeditious care they need. There is really no problem at all.  Check.


From what I can see in Scott's post, he didn't state that the VA "scandal" was manufactured, but that the parallels drawn between DVA health care and Obamacare/single payer systems were.

 
I guess basically I'm saying it's going to be easy to cherry-pick any organization, government or otherwise, and find something convenient. The fact that this blew up now ... the timing is not coincidental.
 
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 9:32am

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Got it, VA scandal is purely manufactured and our veterans are and have been getting the expeditious care they need. There is really no problem at all.  Check.


From what I can see in Scott's post, he didn't state that the VA "scandal" was manufactured, but that the parallels drawn between DVA health care and Obamacare/single payer systems were.


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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 9:26am

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Got it, VA scandal is purely manufactured and our veterans are and have been getting the expeditious care they need. There is really no problem at all.  Check.

 
Current health care system in A-OK, no problems, works perfectly, never see insured people on kickstarter trying to save their house, never see uninsured people go without basic care, what a country, keep on keepin' on. 10-4.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 9:22am

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As with any organization, I'm sure there are gross inefficiencies and neglect. I know firsthand (as do you, I am sure) that the current system non-Vets have to use is not immune to debacles. But I've also heard many veterans thanking god for VA hospitals. Either way that's neither here nor there... because I just lol'd at you falling for the recent scandal as anything other than a manufactured preemptive strike on any possible attempt to use VA hospitals as an example of single payer in action. Honestly, any time there's a Scandal in DC, check your calendar. Election coming up? Turn the page. This is true for any scandal affecting any party.

 

Got it, VA scandal is purely manufactured and our veterans are and have been getting the expeditious care they need. There is really no problem at all.  Check.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 8:48am

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It certainly is not unreasonable to look at the VA for what our national healthcare system will look like with a government run single payer system.

Rationing and death by bureaucrat.  Its here already ...

 
As with any organization, I'm sure there are gross inefficiencies and neglect. I know firsthand (as do you, I am sure) that the current system non-Vets have to use is not immune to debacles. But I've also heard many veterans thanking god for VA hospitals. Either way that's neither here nor there... because I just lol'd at you falling for the recent scandal as anything other than a manufactured preemptive strike on any possible attempt to use VA hospitals as an example of single payer in action. Honestly, any time there's a Scandal in DC, check your calendar. Election coming up? Turn the page. This is true for any scandal affecting any party.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2014 - 8:17am

It certainly is not unreasonable to look at the VA for what our national healthcare system will look like with a government run single payer system.

Rationing and death by bureaucrat.  Its here already ...
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Posted: May 26, 2014 - 11:30am

WH rules that employers can’t dump workers into health exchanges
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 4:53am

Want Useful Data on Obamacare? The Census Bureau Won’t Help You.

Love these last 2 paragraphs because this is what I surmise is the most objective and accurate description on this legislations legacy:
 

Because as it stands now, we simply won't have the robust information set we need to confidently assess the impact of the Affordable Care Act on the uninsured over time. Nor will we have a good picture of exactly how Obamacare is affecting various types of coverage—the particular ways in which people are, or aren't, accessing health insurance under the law.

These aren't the sort of questions you can answer based on first principles, or what feels right. You need robust measurements. Solid Census Bureau data, taken consistently over time, would have helped answer these questions. But it appears that's not something we’re going to have. Instead, we'll be left with ongoing arguments and unanswered questions, especially if the administration continues to keep mum on other critical unanswered questions about the law. A decade from now, we'll be able to definitively determine that Obamacare was a thing, that happened, and did something, and cost some money. But that may be as much as we can know.


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