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Posted: Aug 19, 2014 - 10:40pm

Israel Refuses to Lift Blockade, Resumes Shelling
Israeli forces launch attacks, injuring two Palestinian children, in retaliation for rocket fire from Gaza

Peace talks in Cairo collapsed on Tuesday morning after Israeli delegates refused to lift the blockade on Gaza, a key demand of Palestinian negotiators. Meanwhile, Israeli forces have resumed shelling the besieged strip, indicating that the tentative truce is now over.

As air strikes resumed, AFP reports that thousands of Palestinian civilians in Gaza City fled their homes "carrying bags of clothes, pillows and mattresses," streaming towards United Nations-designated shelters at local schools. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (URWA) reported strikes in "North Gaza, Middle and Khan Younis."

According to reports, the Israeli warplanes were launched in retaliation for three rockets fired from Gaza, which Israeli officials said broke the extended ceasefire agreement. Two Palestinian boys aged six and nine were wounded when the bombs struck the southern city of Rafah, the Palestinian emergency services spokesman said.

As of Monday, over 238,000 internally displaced Palestinians are being sheltered in 81 UNRWA schools, the agency reports. And, anticipating the end of the ceasefire, many more fled to shelters overnight. According to the UN's toll, since Israeli forces launched Operation Protective Edge on July 8th, there have been 1,976 verified Palestinian deaths with 1,417 believed to be civilians, including 459 children and 239 women.


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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 6:44pm

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it seems our own Mr Prins is not happy with one Israel thread, he has two ...
 
This forum regularly has failing indexes, i.e. when searching for a topic it just doesn't show up in the results. The second one was likely created when the original one didn't show up (and I hadn't figured out what the problem was). {#Mrgreen}

Before, one could also (always) search for (post) text that was sure to be used in a thread/topic...
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 6:36pm

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Let's face it, peace will be elusive until we merge the 'Israel' and the 'Palestine' threads. {#Mrgreen}

 
Let's see how that might work ...

This is fun ...  it seems our own Mr Prins is not happy with one Israel thread, he has two ...

Which one would he pick to merge ?  

And then there is the Gaza thread ...
 
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 4:40pm

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If Israel wanted to destroy Gaza, they could've done it in one afternoon.

Who could stop Israel if that is what they really wanted to do ?   No one, that is who.

Israel is getting payback for the settlements and Hamas is getting payback for shooting rockets at Israel. 

It takes two to tangle.  There seems to be two willing parties.  Don't shoot at someone and expect not to be shot back at. 

Thankfully, Egypt is stepping up and taking a place of leadership in the regional conflicts, going after the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is a part of.  Egypt is no longer a US puppet.  In fact Egypt's current goals conflict with Mr Obama's.
 
They couldn't totally destroy Gaza or annex the rest of the West Bank without risking becoming a total pariah in the eyes of the world community (though they are getting there with the current level of death and destruction), and despite internal calls in Israel to "finish the job".

The US et al. could easily stop Israel (for one by withholding arms and solitary UN vetoes), but since it won't, others (read populations, not their beholden leaders) will now increasingly boycott Israel as per BDS. Your hero Reagan was one of the very last bastions to support South-African apartheid and label Mandela and the ANC as "terrorists". The usual hypocrisy (or perhaps deep-seated racism).

If you're going to occupy/annex another's land, expect resistance/insurgents and death. Still remember your wars? See a recent US General in Afghanistan. If you want to get rid of resistance, you'll have to exterminate the population, like what was largely done to Native Americans (and/or let them keep some crappy territories), or leave. A familiar pattern of colonialism.

Rubbish. Egypt's el-Sisi is still (rather again) a US puppet/client (Mubarak 2.0). Middle-Eastern dictators/autocrats usually are (until they become persona non grata) and Egypt is strategically important:
Secretary of State John Kerry voiced strong U.S. support for Egypt's new president and signaled that Washington will continue the flow of military aid in an American welcome of the post-coup government. (...)
When the US made cuts in military aid to Egypt following the 2013 military coup and crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood movement, it continued funding for counter-terrorism, border security and security operations in the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza Strip, considered very important to Israel's security.<5>
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 4:35pm

Let's face it, peace will be elusive until we merge the 'Israel' and the 'Palestine' threads. {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 3:58pm

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The Palestinians would totally agree with you, Mr. Neutral (and the number of deaths don't LIE). {#Mrgreen}

What you're actually saying (once more):

"If you're under attack, anything goes, however depraved (but for our side only)"

 
If Israel wanted to destroy Gaza, they could've done it in one afternoon.

Who could stop Israel if that is what they really wanted to do ?   No one, that is who.

Israel is getting payback for the settlements and Hamas is getting payback for shooting rockets at Israel. 

It takes two to tangle.  There seems to be two willing parties.  Don't shoot at someone and expect not to be shot back at. 

Thankfully, Egypt is stepping up and taking a place of leadership in the regional conflicts, going after the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is a part of.  Egypt is no longer a US puppet.  In fact Egypt's current goals conflict with Mr Obama's.

 
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 3:09pm

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All the posturing, propaganda and posing in the world will not change

the FACT that you cannot coexist with someone whose sole purpose is to destroy you.
 
The Palestinians would totally agree with you, Mr. Neutral (and the number of deaths don't LIE). {#Mrgreen}

What you're actually saying (once more):

"If you're under attack, anything goes, however depraved (but for our side only)"
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 2:54pm

All the posturing, propaganda and posing in the world will not change

the FACT that you cannot coexist with someone whose sole purpose is to destroy you.
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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 1:21pm

Hundreds Protest Mixed Wedding, Say It's 'Worse Than Hamas'
Nationalist leaders head mass protest against wedding of Arab and Jew, warn danger of assimilation greater than Hamas rockets.

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Posted: Aug 17, 2014 - 10:25am

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I don't think there are many who will support much of Hamas' principles or actions.

What is objectionable is the inhumane and murderous treatment of Gazans by Israel.

The Israelis did not have to kill over a thousand civilians, including hundreds of women and children, and virtually destroy a slice of Palestine,  to very sufficiently protect itself.  The tunnels issue is largely a pretext, according to some Israeli media, and many outside Israel. And, even if destroying tunnels was the true objective, then the level of violence Israel inflicted on Gaza was still uncalled for and unconscionable.


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Posted: Aug 16, 2014 - 6:46pm


Dutchman returns Holocaust medal to Israeli embassy over Gaza deaths

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A Dutchman honoured by Israel for hiding a Jewish child during World War Two has handed back his medal after six of his relatives were killed in an Israeli air strike on Gaza.

Henk Zanoli, 91, wrote to the Israeli embassy in The Hague to say he could no longer hold the honour.

The embassy has declined to comment.

Anna Holligan reports.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2014 - 1:04pm

Tunnels-to-kindergartens propaganda Netanyahu peddled to NYT and CNN is exploded by Israeli news site

Netanyahu tweeted this cartoon evidence on July 22
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Posted: Aug 13, 2014 - 12:02pm

Buyer’s remorse in Gaza?

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If anyone has a case for buyer’s remorse, it’s the Palestinians in Gaza. They elected Hamas to power after the Israeli withdrawal from the territory in a rebuke to Fatah’s corruption, and have suffered for it ever since. The corruption simply changed hands, and worse yet was Hamas’ attempts to militarize Gaza. That forced both Israel and Egypt to close the borders and enforce an embargo (which, contrary to common perception, happened after Hamas’ election and not before). Hamas regularly uses residential areas as cover for their rocket fire, which makes their homes and schools targets for Israeli retaliation, not to mention the tunnel entrances that Hamas created under their feet. In this latest edition of the Gaza war, more than 1900 Palestinians have died, and many more rendered homeless by the destruction created by Hamas’ war of choice.

Have they had enough of Hamas? That’s a complicated question, but the Washington Post’s Sudarsan Raghavan reports that opposition may be the result of this latest war — and especially the refusal to accept the cease-fire proposal at the beginning of it:

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Now, some Palestinians are questioning the decision to reject the first truce. Roughly 200 Palestinians had been killed in the fighting at that time. Today, amid another Egyptian-led truce effort, the death toll is nearly 10 times greater, and Gaza is a wasteland of destruction that exceeds that left behind after the previous two Israel-Hamas conflicts, in 2009 and 2012.

“All the people are whispering, ‘Why didn’t Hamas accept the Egyptian initiative in the beginning of the war when the casualties were still low?’ ” said Hani Habib, a Palestinian journalist and political analyst.

 


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Posted: Aug 12, 2014 - 11:48pm

In Midst of War, Israel Clamps Down on Internal Dissent
From crackdown on the press to mob beatings of protesters, critics of Gaza assault within Israel face fierce retaliation.

As a tenuous ceasefire takes hold, the besieged Gaza strip must contend with the path of death and destruction left by Israel's month-long military assault, including 1,939 Palestinian lives lost, 9,886 wounded, over 200,000 displaced, and more than 10,000 Palestinian housing units severely damaged or completely ruined.

Israeli critics of the "Operation Protective Edge" and occupation say the attacks have also unleashed a fury of pro-war, ultra-nationalist sentiment within Israel, escalating intimidation and violence towards those who dissent: from the firing of journalists to the beating of protesters to the harassment of Palestinian citizens of Israel.

"There has been a feeling in the air: it is dangerous to be outspoken against the war," said Haggai Matar, an Israeli journalist for +972 Magazine and a longtime activist against the occupation, speaking over the phone with Common Dreams from Tel Aviv.

Targeted for Being Palestinian in Israel

Mass protests throughout the West Bank against Israel's attacks on Gaza have been met with severe Israeli repression, with at least three Palestinians killed by Israeli fire. The Alternative Information Center recently reported that over the past month, "more than 450 Palestinians from East Jerusalem have been detained in protests, and over 150 indictments have been filed." The killings and arrests are in keeping with a well-documented history of Israel's deadly attacks on Palestinian protests.

Palestinian citizens of Israel, who comprise 20 percent of Israel's population, already face second-class status in their own society, including legal discrimination, home demolitions, detentions without due process, and more.

Recent weeks have seen an uptick in repressive measures targeting this population. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman recently called for an economic boycott of businesses owned by Palestinian citizens of Israel who participated in a late-July general strike to show their solidarity with Gaza during the bombings. Numerous initiatives to monitor the online activities of Palestinians have sprung up on Facebook, under names like "Concentrating those who wish to destroy Israel." According to the Christian Science Monitor, these networks then inform employers and school officials of alleged activity.

And there are numerous reports of increased incidents of harassment and attacks of Palestinians in Israel for just walking down the street.

"There is an enhanced environment of intimidation for everyone who opposes what the government is doing. It is doubly and triply bad for Palestinian Israelis and Palestinians in East Jerusalem," Sydney Levy, advocacy director for Jewish Voice for Peace, told Common Dreams. "Israeli peace activists face harassment because of their views. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel face harassment for just being Palestinians." (...)


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Posted: Aug 3, 2014 - 11:48pm

Cash, Weapons and Surveillance: the U.S. is a Key Party to Every Israeli Attack - The Intercept/Glenn Greenwald

The U.S. government has long lavished overwhelming aid on Israel, providing cash, weapons and surveillance technology that play a crucial role in Israel’s attacks on its neighbors. But top secret documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden shed substantial new light on how the U.S. and its partners directly enable Israel’s military assaults – such as the one on Gaza.

Over the last decade, the NSA has significantly increased the surveillance assistance it provides to its Israeli counterpart, the Israeli SIGINT National Unit (ISNU; also known as Unit 8200), including data used to monitor and target Palestinians. In many cases, the NSA and ISNU work cooperatively with the British and Canadian spy agencies, the GCHQ and CSEC.

The relationship has, on at least one occasion, entailed the covert payment of a large amount of cash to Israeli operatives. Beyond their own surveillance programs, the American and British surveillance agencies rely on U.S.-supported Arab regimes, including the Jordanian monarchy and even the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, to provide vital spying services regarding Palestinian targets.

The new documents underscore the indispensable, direct involvement of the U.S. government and its key allies in Israeli aggression against its neighbors. That covert support is squarely at odds with the posture of helpless detachment typically adopted by Obama officials and their supporters.

President Obama, in his press conference on Friday, said ”it is heartbreaking to see what’s happening there,” referring to the weeks of civilian deaths in Gaza – “as if he’s just a bystander, watching it all unfold,” observed Brooklyn College Professor Corey Robin. Robin added: ”Obama talks about Gaza as if it were a natural disaster, an uncontrollable biological event.”

Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility. (...)


Chris Hedges: Why Israel Lies - Truthdig

All governments lie, as I.F. Stone pointed out, including Israel and Hamas. But Israel engages in the kinds of jaw-dropping lies that characterize despotic and totalitarian regimes. It does not deform the truth; it inverts it. It routinely paints a picture for the outside world that is diametrically opposed to reality. And all of us reporters who have covered the occupied territories have run into Israel’s Alice-in-Wonderland narratives, which we dutifully insert into our stories—required under the rules of American journalism—although we know they are untrue.

I saw small boys baited and killed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza refugee camp of Khan Younis. The soldiers swore at the boys in Arabic over the loudspeakers of their armored jeep. The boys, about 10 years old, then threw stones at an Israeli vehicle and the soldiers opened fire, killing some, wounding others. I was present more than once as Israeli troops drew out and shot Palestinian children in this way. Such incidents, in the Israeli lexicon, become children caught in crossfire. I was in Gaza when F-16 attack jets dropped 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on overcrowded hovels in Gaza City. I saw the corpses of the victims, including children. This became a surgical strike on a bomb-making factory. I have watched Israel demolish homes and entire apartment blocks to create wide buffer zones between the Palestinians and the Israeli troops that ring Gaza. I have interviewed the destitute and homeless families, some camped out in crude shelters erected in the rubble. The destruction becomes the demolition of the homes of terrorists. I have stood in the remains of schools—Israel struck two United Nations schools in the last six days, causing at least 10 fatalities at one in Rafah on Sunday and at least 19 at one in the Jebaliya refugee camp Wednesday—as well as medical clinics and mosques. I have heard Israel claim that errant rockets or mortar fire from the Palestinians caused these and other deaths, or that the attacked spots were being used as arms depots or launching sites. I, along with every other reporter I know who has worked in Gaza, have never seen any evidence that Hamas uses civilians as “human shields.”

There is a perverted logic to Israel’s repeated use of the Big Lie—Große Lüge—the lie favored by tyrants from Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin to Saddam Hussein. The Big Lie feeds the two reactions Israel seeks to elicit—racism among its supporters and terror among its victims.

By painting a picture of an army that never attacks civilians, that indeed goes out of its way to protect them, the Big Lie says Israelis are civilized and humane, and their Palestinian opponents are inhuman monsters. The Big Lie serves the idea that the slaughter in Gaza is a clash of civilizations, a war between democracy, decency and honor on one side and Islamic barbarism on the other. And in the uncommon cases when news of atrocities penetrates to the wider public, Israel blames the destruction and casualties on Hamas.

George Orwell in his novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four” called this form of propaganda doublethink. Doublethink uses “logic against logic” and “repudiate(s) morality while laying claim to it.” The Big Lie does not allow for the nuances and contradictions that can plague conscience. It is a state-orchestrated response to the dilemma of cognitive dissonance. The Big Lie permits no gray zones. The world is black and white, good and evil, righteous and unrighteous. The Big Lie allows believers to take comfort—a comfort they are desperately seeking—in their own moral superiority at the very moment they have abrogated all morality.

The Big Lie, as the father of American public relations, Edward Bernays, wrote, is limited only by the propagandist’s capacity to fathom and harness the undercurrents of individual and mass psychology. And since most supporters of Israel do not have a desire to know the truth, a truth that would force them to examine their own racism and self-delusions about Zionist and Western moral superiority, like packs of famished dogs they lap up the lies fed to them by the Israeli government. The Big Lie always finds fertile soil in what Bernays called the “logic-proof compartment of dogmatic adherence.” All effective propaganda, Bernays wrote, targets and builds upon these irrational “psychological habits.”

This is the world Franz Kafka envisioned, a world where the irrational becomes rational. It is one where, as Gustave Le Bon noted in “The Crowd: A Study of the Public Mind,” those who supply the masses with the illusions they crave become their master, and “whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” This irrationality explains why the reaction of Israeli supporters to those who have the courage to speak the truth—Uri Avnery, Max Blumenthal, Noam Chomsky, Jonathan Cook, Norman Finkelstein, Amira Hass, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé, Henry Siegman and Philip Weiss—is so rabid. That so many of these voices are Jewish, and therefore have more credibility than non-Jews who are among Israel’s cheerleaders, only ratchets up the level of hate.  (...)


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Posted: Aug 3, 2014 - 6:34pm

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True.  

Hey ... in doing a bit of research for today's jousting, I came across this.  I didn't know - and had not heard.  My sincere condolences to you both.

 
Thanks for that, not easy but working on it every day.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2014 - 6:15pm

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{#Wave} Hey Beaker - I see that once again you changed your name .. Indeed some people never learn.

 
True.  

Hey ... in doing a bit of research for today's jousting, I came across this.  I didn't know - and had not heard.  My sincere condolences to you both.


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Posted: Aug 3, 2014 - 6:08pm

Hamas is engaged not only in lobbing now thousands of missiles at Israel, but in an intentional propaganda war aimed at misleading news media, and the western world in particular.

From BBC:

#BBCtrending: Are #GazaUnderAttack images accurate?





Now if Israel were truly so brutal as Hamas claims, why ever would Hamas need to lie to the world? 

Oh, yeah.  Tough question! 
Related:  Time: How Hamas Wields Gaza’s Casualties as Propaganda
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Posted: Aug 3, 2014 - 6:02pm

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Some people never learn, I suppose.

 
{#Wave} Hey Beaker - I see that once again you changed your name .. Indeed some people never learn.





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Posted: Aug 3, 2014 - 5:54pm

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 RichardPrins wrote:
So is the occupation of other people's land/a country. Mistreating them while under occupation is a war crime. 

Not sure if you're deluded, sadly misinformed, anti-Semitic, or just plain stupid.  

Whatever.  What your defect is doesn't matter.  As it's quite plain that after many years spouting the same hatred, you refuse to modify your position.  

Further reading: The 'occupation of Gaza' canard
 
Ad homtastic and deliciously ironic! See the Siegman video for a better answer. See wikileaks for what occupation looks like: {#Mrgreen}
Here's an apple for toeing the party line so faithfully.

Israeli military withdraws bulk of troops from Gaza
Some forces remain in the Strip to destroy a tunnel and protect communities on the Israeli side of the border.

Is Gaza Still Occupied and Why Does It Matter?

Yes, the Gaza Strip is still occupied. Despite official Israeli remonstrations that the unilateral disengagement of 2005, which removed Israeli military bases and Jewish settlers, transformed Gaza into “no longer occupied territory,” neither those changes nor anything that has transpired since has ended the occupation.

“Occupation” is a legal designation of an international nature. Israel’s occupation of Gaza continues to the present day because (a) Israel continues to exercise “effective control” over this area, (b) the conflict that produced the occupation has not ended, and (c) an occupying state cannot unilaterally (and without international/diplomatic agreement) transform the international status of occupied territory except, perhaps, if that unilateral action terminates all manner of effective control. (...)


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