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Posted: Jul 24, 2014 - 6:18pm

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I just read the part you posted.  Its stands on its own.  That is why you posted that excerpt, right ?

I also note that you did not dispute (...)
 
Which is again the same fallacy as highlighted as last in the previous post. You appear very fond of drawing conclusions from what's just not there, while ignoring evidence to the contrary. That's a very common fallacy ("an argument from ignorance") and abundant in conspiracies and folk-religion.

The rest of the article was the justification for making the comparison, but I'm guessing you'd rather stick to what you (don't) know. Again see the above.

I am not going to get drawn into or dispute all of your troll-like arguments. They're just too unremarkable, repetitive and obvious to waste time on. When there's something worth addressing, you'll probably notice. In the meantime, carry on making up (misconstrued) straw men and accusations inferred from nothing. Seems to be a hobby of sorts. {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Jul 24, 2014 - 5:50pm

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Poisoning the well, and despite that, yes, your usual straw man tactic. No amount of habitual denial is going to change that. Read the rest of the article, it tolls for you, Mr. Fallacy. {#Mrgreen}

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I just read the part you posted.  Its stands on its own.  That is why you posted that excerpt, right ?

Ceasefire, smeeshfire.  This is war.  And in this war there are no rules that Hamas abides by.  They are targeting civilians and nothing else.  Israel on the other hand is at least targeting military operations.  Too bad these Hamas military operations are hidden in schools, hospitals, mosques and residences.

I also note that you did not dispute my comparison of Hamas and the Nazis. Hitler and Goebbels would be proud of the work Hamas is doing to further the Final Solution.  You choose strange bedfellows.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  and so it goes ...
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Hamas is doing to Israel what Germany did to England with the V rockets.  England turned around and carpet bombed Germany.  I must say in the case of Israel, they are showing much restraint, undeserved restraint.

 


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Posted: Jul 24, 2014 - 5:04pm

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Thank you for bringing up the Nazis.  However, the above doesn't play the way you think it does.  You really believe that yellow stars and human shields are the same thing ?   What Hamas and the German Nazis have in common is their dedication to exterminating the Jews.  Your defense of Hamas with this comparison shows your true colors.  Its ok to kill all the Jews, they are not to be pitied as Goebbels sneered.

And yes I state that the above illustrates your position as you have not said otherwise nor posted a disclaimer.  No straw man for you, or soup !
 
Poisoning the well, and despite that, yes, your usual straw man tactic. No amount of habitual denial is going to change that. Read the rest of the article, it tolls for you, Mr. Fallacy. {#Mrgreen}

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Posted: Jul 24, 2014 - 4:15pm

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Glenn Greenwald: Netanyahu's 'Telegenically Dead' Comment Is Grotesque but Not Original - The Intercept

Benjamin Netanyahu, yesterday, on CNN, addressing worldwide sympathy for the civilian victims of Israeli violence in Gaza:

They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.

Joseph Goebbels, November 16, 1941, essay in Das Reich, addressing Germany sympathy for German Jews forced to wear yellow stars:

The Jews gradually are having to depend more and more on themselves, and have recently found a new trick. They knew the good-natured German Michael in us, always ready to shed sentimental tears for the injustice done to them. One suddenly has the impression that the Berlin Jewish population consists only of little babies whose childish helplessness might move us, or else fragile old ladies. The Jews send out the pitiable. They may confuse some harmless souls for a while, but not us. We know exactly what the situation is.

Rather than lard up the point with numerous defensive caveats about what is and is not being said here (which, in any event, never impede willful media distorters in their tactics), I’ll simply note three brief points: (...)



 
Thank you for bringing up the Nazis.  However, the above doesn't play the way you think it does.  You really believe that yellow stars and human shields are the same thing ?   What Hamas and the German Nazis have in common is their dedication to exterminating the Jews.  Your defense of Hamas with this comparison shows your true colors.  Its ok to kill all the Jews, they are not to be pitied as Goebbels sneered.

And yes I state that the above illustrates your position as you have not said otherwise nor posted a disclaimer.  No straw man for you, or soup !
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Posted: Jul 24, 2014 - 2:06pm

Glenn Greenwald: Netanyahu's 'Telegenically Dead' Comment Is Grotesque but Not Original - The Intercept

Benjamin Netanyahu, yesterday, on CNN, addressing worldwide sympathy for the civilian victims of Israeli violence in Gaza:

They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.

Joseph Goebbels, November 16, 1941, essay in Das Reich, addressing Germany sympathy for German Jews forced to wear yellow stars:

The Jews gradually are having to depend more and more on themselves, and have recently found a new trick. They knew the good-natured German Michael in us, always ready to shed sentimental tears for the injustice done to them. One suddenly has the impression that the Berlin Jewish population consists only of little babies whose childish helplessness might move us, or else fragile old ladies. The Jews send out the pitiable. They may confuse some harmless souls for a while, but not us. We know exactly what the situation is.

Rather than lard up the point with numerous defensive caveats about what is and is not being said here (which, in any event, never impede willful media distorters in their tactics), I’ll simply note three brief points: (...)


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Posted: Jul 24, 2014 - 7:16am

50 Israeli Reservists Refuse To Serve in Gaza War
Washington Post Cites Growing Opposition To Ground Fight

More than 50 former Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the nation’s reserve force, citing regret over their part in a military they said plays a central role in oppressing Palestinians, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

“We found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren’t the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated. For that reason, we now refuse to participate in our reserve duties, and we support all those who resist being called to service,” the soldiers wrote in a petition posted online and first reported by the newspaper.

While some Israelis have refused to serve in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, the military’s structure is such that serving in any capacity forces one to play a role in the conflict, said the soldiers, most of whom are women who would have been exempted from combat.

“Many of us served in logistical and bureaucratic support roles; there, we found that the entire military helps implement the oppression of the Palestinians,” they said.

Their comments come as the conflict in Gaza continues to escalate, displacing thousands more Palestinians in the battered territory even as the United States presses both sides for an immediate ceasefire and longer-term peace plan.

Earlier this month, Israel said it was mobilizing more reservists in anticipation of increased fighting.

In the petition, the soldiers pointed to the army’s structure and fundamental role in Israeli society as reasons for being unable to decouple any form of service from the fighting.

“The military plays a central role in every action plan and proposal discussed in the national conversation, which explains the absence of any real argument about non-military solutions to the conflicts Israel has been locked in with its neighbors,” the soldiers wrote.

“To us, the current military operation and the way militarization affects Israeli society are inseparable.”

They said they opposed the Israeli Army and conscription law because of how women are limited to low-ranking secretarial positions and because of a screening system that discriminates against Jews whose families originate from Arab nations.

Most 18-year-olds must serve up to three years in the Israeli Defense Forces.

Some groups, such as ultra-Orthodox Jewish seminary students, had been exempted from service, but legislators this year moved to lift that exemption on such students starting in 2017.

Arab-Israelis are exempt from compulsory service.


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Posted: Jun 30, 2014 - 11:33am

From CNN:

"Three missing Israeli teens have been found dead in an open field north of Hebron in the West Bank, Israel's Channel Two and Channel Ten report, citing sources in the Israeli military.
The three teens, Eyal Yifrach, 19, Gilad Shaar, 16, and Naftali Frenkel, 16, disappeared June 12 or June 13 from the Gush Etzion settlement in the West Bank, the military said."

So sad and bad.

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Posted: May 1, 2014 - 5:04am

Obviously I am no fan of John Kerry, but when someone is right, they are right:


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Posted: Mar 16, 2014 - 1:43pm

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Odd, no issue here. Is it the same for the direct YouTube link?

 
yup. apparently the NSA has decreed that 'Mericans shall not see it.
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Posted: Mar 16, 2014 - 12:46pm

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some sort of international issue with the video 

Odd, no issue here. Is it the same for the direct YouTube link?
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Posted: Mar 16, 2014 - 12:25pm

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Is Zionism compatible with democracy? - Head to Head - Al Jazeera English

The ideology of Zionism, which calls for the establishment of a Jewish state, has dictated Israeli politics for decades.

But is it compatible with a democratic Israel? And can a state exclusively for Jews be a genuine democracy?

Palestinians argue that Zionism has become a byword for racism and colonial expansion.

In this episode, Mehdi Hasan challenges Shlomo Ben Ami , the former Israeli foreign minister and avowed liberal Zionist, on the challenges of Zionism and the failures of the Israeli peace camp.

Also joining the discussion are: Avi Shlaim, a renowned new historian and emeritus professor of international relations at the University of Oxford; Paul Charney, the chairman of the Zionist Federation; and Diana Buttu, a Palestinian lawyer and legal advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organisation.



 
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Posted: Mar 16, 2014 - 10:58am

Is Zionism compatible with democracy? - Head to Head - Al Jazeera English

The ideology of Zionism, which calls for the establishment of a Jewish state, has dictated Israeli politics for decades.

But is it compatible with a democratic Israel? And can a state exclusively for Jews be a genuine democracy?

Palestinians argue that Zionism has become a byword for racism and colonial expansion.

In this episode, Mehdi Hasan challenges Shlomo Ben Ami , the former Israeli foreign minister and avowed liberal Zionist, on the challenges of Zionism and the failures of the Israeli peace camp.

Also joining the discussion are: Avi Shlaim, a renowned new historian and emeritus professor of international relations at the University of Oxford; Paul Charney, the chairman of the Zionist Federation; and Diana Buttu, a Palestinian lawyer and legal advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organisation.


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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 - 5:42pm

The truth about Israel's secret nuclear arsenal
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Posted: Oct 18, 2013 - 11:31am

Court nixes push for 'Israeli nationality'
Nationality is ethnically defined in Israel, which critics say underpins discrimination against Palestinians.
A court decision this month that rejected Israelis' right to a shared nationality has highlighted serious problems caused by Israel's self-definition as a Jewish state, say lawyers and human rights activists.

A group of 21 Israelis had appealed to the Supreme Court to demand the state recognise their wish to be classified as "Israeli nationals".

Since Israel's founding in 1948, authorities have refused to recognise such a nationality, instead classifying Israelis according to the ethnic group to which each belongs. The overwhelming majority are registered as either "Jewish" or "Arab" nationals, though there are more than 130 such categories in total.

Critics say the system, while seemingly a technical matter, has far-reaching effects. The citizenship laws, they say, undergird a system of systematic discrimination against the one-fifth of Israel's population who are non-Jews - most of them belonging to Israel's Palestinian minority.

Some observers also fear that the court ruling, which effectively upheld Israel's definition as a Jewish state, will strengthen the aversion of Israel's right-wing government to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly insisted that Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority recognise Israel as a Jewish state as a condition for reaching a peace agreement. (...)

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Posted: Oct 13, 2013 - 3:55pm

    The Desert of Israeli Democracy
    A Trip Through the Negev Desert Leads to the Heart of Israel’s National Nightmare
    By Max Blumenthal

From the podium of the U.N. General Assembly, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seamlessly blended frightening details of Iranian evildoing with images of defenseless Jews “bludgeoned” and “left for dead” by anti-Semites in nineteenth century Europe. Aimed at U.S. and Iranian moves towards diplomacy and a war-weary American public, Netanyahu’s gloomy tirade threatened to cast him as a desperate, diminished figure. Though it was poorly received in the U.S., alienating even a few of his stalwart pro-Israel allies, his jeremiad served a greater purpose, deflecting attention from his country's policies towards the group he scarcely mentioned: the Palestinians.

Back in November 1989, while serving as a junior minister in the Likud-led governing coalition of Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, a younger Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan University, “Israel should have taken advantage of the suppression of demonstrations, when the world’s attention was focused on what was happening in that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the Territories. However, to my regret, they did not support that policy that I proposed, and which I still propose should be implemented.”

Now the country’s top official, Netanyahu has updated the smokescreen strategy. While the prime minister ranted against Iran in New York City and in a meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, his government was preparing to implement the Prawer Plan, a blueprint for the expulsion of 40,000 indigenous Bedouin citizens of Israel from their ancestral Negev Desert communities that promised to “concentrate” them in state-run, reservation-style townships. Authored by Netanyahu's planning policy chief, Ehud Prawer, and passed by a majority of the members of the mainstream Israeli political parties in the Knesset, the Prawer Plan is only one element of the government’s emerging program to dominate all space and the lives of all people between the river (the Jordan) and the sea (the Mediterranean). (...)

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Posted: Oct 2, 2013 - 11:41pm

A huge Pew Charitable Trust telephone poll of American Jews confirms many of the things learned by previous religious polls conducted by Barry Kosmin and colleagues under the rubric of the American Religious Identification Survey.

What is striking is how dissimilar the mainstream of Jewish Americans is to the ruling Likud Party in Israel, headed by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

Netanyahu and his party use Judaism and Jewish heritage as the basis for the construction of an exclusivist, nationalist, hardline ideology hostile toward and suspicious of non-Jews. Netanyahu even sponsored a campaign of television commercials attempting to shame American Jews for dating non-Jews or commemorating Christmas.

31% of Jewish Americans in this poll said they did not feel attached to Israel. Another 39% are only “somewhat” attached. The strong Israel nationalists are only about 30%.

62% of Jewish Americans do not believe that the Israeli government is making a good faith effort to negotiate with the Palestinians, though they have an even lower opinion of the Palestinian Authority.

83% do not agree that the construction of Israeli settlements on the Palestinian West Bank helps Israeli security, a key plank in the platform of the ruling Likud Party in Israel.

44% of Jewish Americans, on the contrary, assert that this settlement of Palestinian land is actively harmful to Israeli security. (...)
On how American Jews are Mostly the Opposite of Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu
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Posted: Oct 1, 2013 - 4:48pm



Transcript of Netanyahu's UN General Assembly speech - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

'Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your fears': More predictions before Netanyahu's big day at the UN


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Posted: Sep 28, 2013 - 1:04pm

Maximum Bibi
Peace in the Middle East? Not if Benjamin Netanyahu has anything to say about it.

(...) This debate has taken on a new urgency given the diplomatic opening seemingly created by the election of Rouhani. It is no secret that Netanyahu has been dragged out of his comfort zone by the possibility of a U.S.-Iran rapprochement. Former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's aggressive and insulting behavior made him a convenient adversary for Israel; Rouhani and his diplomatic team, notably polished Foreign Minister Javad Zarif, present a challenge of a very different order of magnitude.

Under these new circumstances, the nagging question for Washington policymakers is whether Netanyahu's tough line on engaging the new Iranian reality is the wise approach of an understandably cautious and concerned Israeli leader, or whether this Israeli pushback is indicative of a more intransigent stance. The pushback has been nothing if not relentless: Netanyahu has called for an intensification of sanctions and military threats, has depicted Iran's new leader as a "wolf in sheep's clothing," and has heaped scorn on the Rosh Hashanah greetings sent to the Jewish world from Iranian leaders' Twitter accounts. The Israeli Embassy in Washington even crafted a fake LinkedIn account for Rouhani, which listed his skills as "weapons of mass destruction" and "illusion."

Sadly, the preponderance of evidence suggests that this is not just about Israel's leader driving a hard but realistic bargain. If Netanyahu's principal concern is really the nuclear file, he should be able to come to terms with the fact that a negotiated outcome offers the best long-term safeguard against Iran developing a nuclear weapon. The most that military strikes could achieve would be a short-term delay of Iran's ability to weaponize its nuclear program — a decision that Iran has anyway not yet made, according to the consensus among Western intelligence agencies. A strike would also create a greater incentive for Iran to weaponize its nuclear program.

At the moment, however, Netanyahu is signaling that there is no realistic deal that would be acceptable to Israel. For instance, a consensus exists among experts and Western officials that Iran's right to enrich uranium — in a limited manner and under international supervision — for its civilian nuclear energy program will be a necessary part of any agreement. Netanyahu rejects this. (...)


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Posted: Mar 22, 2013 - 11:44am

It seems to me that as long as US leaders continue to promise eternal support for Israel no matter what, that Israel will continue to do as Israel pleases and nothing will ever change in the Middle East.
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