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Posted: Feb 4, 2016 - 11:01am

It looks like Obama is trying to get as many immigrants in as possible before he leaves office.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/border-agent-we-might-as-well-abolish-our-immigration-laws-altogether/article/2582401

In a shocking reversal of policy, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents are being told to release illegal immigrants and no longer order them to appear at deportation hearings, essentially a license to stay in the United States, a key agent testified Thursday.

What's more, the stand down order includes a requirement that the whereabouts of illegals released are not to be tracked.

"We might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether,"suggested agent Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council.



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Posted: Feb 4, 2016 - 8:47am


It cries too.


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Posted: Jan 22, 2016 - 8:17am

In a year this thread will be for historical reminiscing.It will take us a lot longer to dig out of this mess,and I'm not talking snow.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2016 - 7:17am

The US paid $1.7b to Iran, apparently to settle a 35-year legal battle that centered on a purchase of ($400m) U.S. arms by Iran’s last monarch, that were never delivered because of the Iranian revolution in 1979?  Or, was it ransom to release the prisoners?  Regardless, WTF?  I'm starting to think maybe the republicans are right?
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 5:53pm


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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 5:48pm

 miamizsun wrote:

not quite


 
I had a dream...
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 5:47pm

 islander wrote:

If only we had a symbol erected to show our dedication to our ideals of liberty... and maybe a plaque full of words for those not familiar with the symbol...

 

Then maybe we could rally around those ideals that are dear to us. And if that show of unity in cause and vision were to truly break us, then maybe we we not worthy of rhetoric in support of such lofty goals.   

If you need to lock out others and screw those who were just short of the door before you clicked the latch in order to preserve "your values" then I'd say your values are pretty fucked up.  If your tribe is so concerned with hording and protecting their stores to the abject detriment of those they can see dying on the shores and still refuse to do anything about it, then that's pretty fucked up. If you take these actions, and support politicians who speak such vile rhetoric on a large scale, don't be surprised to find a generation of enemies in those who you have turned away.

 
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 5:36pm

 islander wrote:

If only we had a symbol erected to show our dedication to our ideals of liberty... and maybe a plaque full of words for those not familiar with the symbol...

 

Then maybe we could rally around those ideals that are dear to us. And if that show of unity in cause and vision were to truly break us, then maybe we we not worthy of rhetoric in support of such lofty goals.   

If you need to lock out others and screw those who were just short of the door before you clicked the latch in order to preserve "your values" then I'd say your values are pretty fucked up.  If your tribe is so concerned with hording and protecting their stores to the abject detriment of those they can see dying on the shores and still refuse to do anything about it, then that's pretty fucked up. If you take these actions, and support politicians who speak such vile rhetoric on a large scale, don't be surprised to find a generation of enemies in those who you have turned away.

 
Do you not have a lock on your front door to preserve your space and values in the way you seek to preserve it ?  Would you admit and feed every homeless and hungry person that knocks on your front door indefinitely ?  Do you have infinite resources ?  If true then you can say my values are fucked up.  If not, you are a hypocrite.

Moving on to the second bolded ...

If this is true, then tell me why there is no other place like America in the world ? 

Why cannot those turned away find another place ?  Cannot they start another place and make it better than this one ?  Is there only room for one "America" in this world ?  

The USA already has more enemies than any other country in this world, period, end of story.  Why ?   Outside of our military interventions, our generosity to other nations in times of need due to disaster and calamity is unparalleled.  Yet we still have and always will have enemies.  If that is your benchmark, you have failed to make a case.

Not everyone in this world wants peace.
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 3:53pm

 islander wrote:

If only we had a symbol erected to show our dedication to our ideals of liberty... and maybe a plaque full of words for those not familiar with the symbol...

 

Then maybe we could rally around those ideals that are dear to us. And if that show of unity in cause and vision were to truly break us, then maybe we we not worthy of rhetoric in support of such lofty goals.   

If you need to lock out others and screw those who were just short of the door before you clicked the latch in order to preserve "your values" then I'd say your values are pretty fucked up.  If your tribe is so concerned with hording and protecting their stores to the abject detriment of those they can see dying on the shores and still refuse to do anything about it, then that's pretty fucked up. If you take these actions, and support politicians who speak such vile rhetoric on a large scale, don't be surprised to find a generation of enemies in those who you have turned away.

 
Last wheezing gasps of White Male Majority/Supremecy/Domination.


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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 2:36pm

 kurtster wrote:

and ... ?  Yes, I read nearly all of the stories.  I have heard or read several hundred similar stories over my lifetime.  Very similar to the first ones I read about times in Europe during WW II as a teenager in HS.  Similar to the stories coming out of Africa over the past 20 or so years.  Cuba for example.  The USSR.  North Korea.  And most recently, coming from Mexico.  I am sure that there are literally billions of similar stories like these given our global population.  

So ?  Is it up to the USA to save them all ?  You can't help or save everybody.  Some one was the last one to board the last helicopter leaving Saigon during its fall in 1973.  There were only so many life boats on the Titanic, and who were not allowed to board those life boats ?  The men.

So who decides who gets a second chance or not ?  We can't even take care of our own here, properly.  I've long said that if one cannot take care of themselves, how can they take care of others properly ?  Is there a difference between do no harm and neglect by doing nothing instead because one is unable ?  Is theft of a loaf of bread justified if one is broke and hungry ?  

It seems to me that moral and ethical dilemmas can only exist in civilized places.  Lately, civilization is being attacked and diluted instead of fought for and defended.  Some one has to say no.  And no must mean no, not maybe.  Else all others will be in jeopardy as well.

Is America and American values worth saving, protecting and defending, so others can aspire to them, have goals of improvement by seeing a working example ?  If so, then it requires a timeout, to rebuild.  If not, then let anyone in and ignore our borders and the last beacon of hope for so many in the world will be extinguished, forever.  

{#Meditate} 

 
If only we had a symbol erected to show our dedication to our ideals of liberty... and maybe a plaque full of words for those not familiar with the symbol...

 

Then maybe we could rally around those ideals that are dear to us. And if that show of unity in cause and vision were to truly break us, then maybe we we not worthy of rhetoric in support of such lofty goals.   

If you need to lock out others and screw those who were just short of the door before you clicked the latch in order to preserve "your values" then I'd say your values are pretty fucked up.  If your tribe is so concerned with hording and protecting their stores to the abject detriment of those they can see dying on the shores and still refuse to do anything about it, then that's pretty fucked up. If you take these actions, and support politicians who speak such vile rhetoric on a large scale, don't be surprised to find a generation of enemies in those who you have turned away.


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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 2:18pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
and ... ?  Yes, I read nearly all of the stories.  I have heard or read several hundred similar stories over my lifetime.  Very similar to the first ones I read about times in Europe during WW II as a teenager in HS.  Similar to the stories coming out of Africa over the past 20 or so years.  Cuba for example.  The USSR.  North Korea.  And most recently, coming from Mexico.  I am sure that there are literally billions of similar stories like these given our global population.  

So ?  Is it up to the USA to save them all ?  You can't help or save everybody.  Some one was the last one to board the last helicopter leaving Saigon during its fall in 1973.  There were only so many life boats on the Titanic, and who were not allowed to board those life boats ?  The men.

So who decides who gets a second chance or not ?  We can't even take care of our own here, properly.  I've long said that if one cannot take care of themselves, how can they take care of others properly ?  Is there a difference between do no harm and neglect by doing nothing instead because one is unable ?  Is theft of a loaf of bread justified if one is broke and hungry ?  

It seems to me that moral and ethical dilemmas can only exist in civilized places.  Lately, civilization is being attacked and diluted instead of fought for and defended.  Some one has to say no.  And no must mean no, not maybe.  Else all others will be in jeopardy as well.

Is America and American values worth saving, protecting and defending, so others can aspire to them, have goals of improvement by seeing a working example ?  If so, then it requires a timeout, to rebuild.  If not, then let anyone in and ignore our borders and the last beacon of hope for so many in the world will be extinguished, forever.  

{#Meditate} 
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 10:12am

 kurtster wrote:

Meanwhile common sense is still working in some places ...

 
In some places.
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 6:48am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Obama is president of America. Obama is not president of American Airlines. I guess you didn't know.

 
Yes, correct.  The point is that Obama is guaranteeing or promising or something that the vetting process will be effective.  To that I just say that it will be as good as the weakest link of the chain.  imo, the whole chain at this point is weak.

Meanwhile common sense is still working in some places ...

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families
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Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns


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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 4:57am

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heretic!
 
no more cold wars for me...
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 4:38am

 miamizsun wrote:

not quite

 
heretic!
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 4:27am

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Haven't you heard? EVERYTHING bad is Obama's fault. EVERYTHING.

 
not quite

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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 4:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Obama is president of America. Obama is not president of American Airlines. I guess you didn't know.

 
Haven't you heard? EVERYTHING bad is Obama's fault. EVERYTHING.
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Posted: Nov 24, 2015 - 3:10am

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Oh goody.  Thanks Obama for keeping us secure !!  We know you'll do a great job with the Syrians, too.

150 on flight from Mexico allowed to skip customs, leave JFK airport

 
Obama is president of America. Obama is not president of American Airlines. I guess you didn't know.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 10:22pm

Oh goody.  Thanks Obama for keeping us secure !!  We know you'll do a great job with the Syrians, too.

150 on flight from Mexico allowed to skip customs, leave JFK airport


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Posted: Nov 21, 2015 - 2:35am

This is a troubling trait apparently the President shares with many people.  Not good for a President, but I suspect many leaders are like this.  Let's face it, it takes a narcissist to want to be President anyway so this is not very surprising:

Attkisson: Obama Won't Read Intelligence on Groups He Doesn't Consider 'Terrorists'

 

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