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Posted: Jul 17, 2015 - 11:34am

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"An explosion at a petrochemical plant in Rizhao, Shandong province, China, on July 16, 2015. According to Xinhua News Agency, a fire broke out after the explosion, which was caused by a liquefied hydrocarbon leak at the plant, on Thursday morning."
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 Those evil bastids are everywhere!Geez Pops,what did you do?

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Posted: Jul 17, 2015 - 11:09am

"An explosion at a petrochemical plant in Rizhao, Shandong province, China, on July 16, 2015. According to Xinhua News Agency, a fire broke out after the explosion, which was caused by a liquefied hydrocarbon leak at the plant, on Thursday morning."
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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 10:41pm

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Didn't say you hate Americans or America.  Just the USA meaning the government.

Anyway, again a non answer to the question.  Nobody else gives a hoot about who or what you are, so what difference does it make I guess.

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There was a question?

A most peculiar/particular meaning to be sure. I guess that would also mean that when Americans attend international sport events some of them chant for their government, while the athletes compete with their government on their outfits.
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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 9:30pm

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There you go again. Lies. Even if it were true, which it isn't, does that then mean you hate all countries (how exactly does one hate a country with all its diversity in people, politics, geography, flora, fauna, culture, etc.) except the U.S. because they are to be bullied/subdued for profit or even because they simply view things differently? Not particularly tolerant or open-minded. More a reflexive "my way or the highway" or "either with us or against us". A very dangerous streak of totalitarianism hiding behind a guise of liberty.

 
Didn't say you hate Americans or America.  Just the USA meaning the government.

Anyway, again a non answer to the question.  Nobody else gives a hoot about who or what you are, so what difference does it make I guess.

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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 5:42pm

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You're not French or English.

One thing is certain, you hate the USA.

We've had this dance before.  You could end all the suspense once and for all.

There really isn't much more to talk about now, is there ?

Thank you for the civil repartee.

fini ...
 
There you go again. Lies. Even if it were true, which it isn't, does that then mean you hate all countries (how exactly does one hate a country with all its diversity in people, politics, geography, flora, fauna, culture, etc.) except the U.S. because they are to be bullied/subdued for profit or even because they simply view things differently? Not particularly tolerant or open-minded. More a reflexive "my way or the highway" or "either with us or against us". A very dangerous streak of totalitarianism hiding behind a guise of liberty.
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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 5:28pm

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So which is it? Anarchist, socialist, labour, French, English, or perhaps none, or maybe all?

 
You're not French or English.

One thing is certain, you hate the USA.

We've had this dance before.  You could end all the suspense once and for all.

There really isn't much more to talk about now, is there ?

Thank you for the civil repartee.

fini ...

 


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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 5:02pm

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No gods, no masters is an anarchist and labour slogan. Its English origin comes from a pamphlet handed out by the Industrial Workers of the World during the 1912 Lawrence Textile Strike. The phrase is derived from the French slogan "Ni dieu ni maître!" (literally 'Neither God nor master') coined by the socialist Louis Auguste Blanqui in 1880, when he published a journal by that name.

I trust you as much you trust me, maybe even less.  You can deny what you are all you want.  I don't deny what I am.  You do.  Its a shame you can't freely admit what you are.  I have no idea why not.  Shouldn't one be proud of their beliefs or at least honest about them ?  I am transparent, you are the direct opposite.

I noticed your new tag and googled it.  How you can insist on denying the obvious is beyond me.  Is their something wrong about it ?  How can one brag and deny what they are bragging about at the same time ?
 
So which is it? Anarchist, socialist, labour, French, English, or perhaps none, or maybe all?

Obviously, though probably not to you, China's ideology certainly can't be all of those at the same time, in addition to being capitalist (private ownership of production) to some degree.

You sound very confused, and all because of a tag line.
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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 4:40pm

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It's all just my personal experience (your lies weren't based on sources, but on sordid simplistic accusations as per above), as well as simply stating possibilities. I don't trust either. I trust you even less.

 
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No gods, no masters is an anarchist and labour slogan. Its English origin comes from a pamphlet handed out by the Industrial Workers of the World during the 1912 Lawrence Textile Strike. The phrase is derived from the French slogan "Ni dieu ni maître!" (literally 'Neither God nor master') coined by the socialist Louis Auguste Blanqui in 1880, when he published a journal by that name.

I trust you as much you trust me, maybe even less.  You can deny what you are all you want.  I don't deny what I am.  You do.  Its a shame you can't freely admit what you are.  I have no idea why not.  Shouldn't one be proud of their beliefs or at least honest about them ?  I am transparent, you are the direct opposite.

I noticed your new tag and googled it.  How you can insist on denying the obvious is beyond me.  Is their something wrong about it ?  How can one brag and deny what they are bragging about at the same time ?

You are the crowd favorite here as nearly everyone here let's you slide on everything.  Only Beaker and I have bothered to over the years, but neither of us are crowd favorites.  You echo what the majority wishes to hear.  RP is only a plaything for you.  That is why you mostly copy and paste and avoid actual interaction as much as possible.  You can deflect any attempt to call you what you post with this technique.  You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time.  You're just here to feed everyone your "cake" as in let them ...


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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 4:27pm

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I'll take exception to that.  I have never set out to deliberately mislead anyone here.  I have been as good as my sources, which when found to be in error, I will freely admit.  When presenting a sourced story, I do so with only honest intentions.  Wishful thinking is never part of that endeavor.  Most people here are as good as their sources and we have many here who go to great lengths to challenge sources.  I do have opinions, but they are easy to determine the difference versus my presentation of a sourced fact or information.

So the Hanke's are liars and I am a liar as well.  Fine, dismiss me and ridicule me as you do so well.  And go ahead and trust the Chinese over the USA, which I am sure you do already as you do share their overall ideology.
 
It's all just my personal experience (your lies weren't based on sources, but on sordid simplistic accusations as per above), as well as simply stating possibilities. I don't trust either (govs). And I trust you even less.
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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 4:18pm

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OMG! And they were supposedly brainwashed too! (but by who?) Sounds like fine Red Scare propaganda in a dangerous time (after an earlier more famous fake incident in the Gulf of Tonkin)... Though admittedly it's all entirely possible that the author's claim on that particular aspect is simply false. Though it's hard to really know what's true even if published in your papers (see Tonkin again), or what your local experience supposedly was (you've been known to fib before).

It doesn't take away from the larger point of the supposed World Police once again aggressively butting in on other people's business looking for a conflict (Tonkin again). Some countries won't roll over when you ask them, and this is bound to increase. Terrorizing them isn't going to help either. Now if you still see this as a lack of American power (not being able to bully others whenever you want to) then the messiah complex and hubris run much deeper than I thought.

 
I'll take exception to that.  I have never set out to deliberately mislead anyone here.  I have been as good as my sources, which when found to be in error, I will freely admit.  When presenting a sourced story, I do so with only honest intentions.  Wishful thinking is never part of that endeavor.  Most people here are as good as their sources and we have many here who go to great lengths to challenge sources.  I do have opinions, but they are easy to determine the difference versus my presentation of a sourced fact or information.

So the Hanke's are liars and I am a liar as well.  This was a big deal then.  And widely covered.  Its amazing I even found a verifiable reference to it after all these years.  You would have had a real field day tearing me up if I had tried to present this story with only my memory.  Fine, dismiss me and ridicule me as you do so well.  And go ahead and trust the Chinese over the USA, which I am sure you do already as you do share their overall ideology.

Have a nice day ...

 


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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 3:57pm

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Carol Hanke was my 10th grade English teacher as well as my wife's.  We got the story first hand.  I had her the immediate school year after their capture.  Patty the next year.  Her husband did teach at Harbor High (which was the actual school used in the TV show the OC ), But Carol taught at Corona del Mar HS where we went.  Both the wife and I did go to Harbor High for classes on occasion but that's another story for another time.

Anyway, I know this first hand.  Another long ago life experience that has come in handy in the present.  The War in Viet Nam was in full swing then.  This did cause an international incident at the time, but after the fact.  For me, it was local and personal.  Others have suffered similar fates sailing near China.  Once for sure is far different from an emphatic NEVER., as your author tried to make it quite clear by putting that word all by itself in its own sentence with a period after it.

If you think that this is the only time I have a few bridges for sale ... cheap ...
 
OMG! And they were supposedly brainwashed too! (but by who?) Sounds like fine Red Scare propaganda in a dangerous time (after an earlier more famous fake incident in the Gulf of Tonkin)... Though admittedly it's all entirely possible that the author's claim on that particular aspect is simply false. Though it's hard to really know what's true even if published in your papers (see Tonkin again), or what your local experience supposedly was (you've been known to fib before).

It doesn't take away from the larger point of the supposed World Police once again aggressively butting in on other people's business looking for a conflict (Tonkin again). Some countries won't roll over when you ask them, and this is bound to increase. Terrorizing them isn't going to help either. Now if you still see this as a lack of American power (not being able to bully others whenever you want to) then the messiah complex and hubris run much deeper than I thought.

And to return to one of your favourite subjects, the "free market" (how free is it really when forced by the non-market-based government/taxpayer-sponsored military?) mentioned in the last bit of the article:

(...) US powerbrokers know that bullying China involves significant risks for themselves and the world. Even so, they have decided to pursue this new policy and force a confrontation. Why? Why would they embark on a strategy so fraught with danger?

The answer is: They don’t see any way around it. They’ve tried containment and it hasn’t worked.  China’s growing like crazy and its regional influence threatens to leave the US on the outside looking in. Carter even admitted as much in a recent speech he gave at the McCain Institute at Arizona State University. He said: “We already see countries in the region trying to carve up these markets…forging many separate trade agreements in recent years, some based on pressure and special arrangements…. Agreements that…..leave us on the sidelines.  That risks America’s access to these growing markets. We must all decide if we are going to let that happen.  If we’re going to help boost our exports and our economy…and cement our influence and leadership in the fastest-growing region in the world; or if, instead, we’re going to take ourselves out of the game.”

See? It’s all about markets. It’s all about money. Here’s more from Carter’s speech:  (The) ” Asia-Pacific…is the defining region for our nation’s future”… “Half of humanity will live there by 2050″ and that “more than half of the global middle class and its accompanying consumption will come from that region.”….”There are already more than 525 million middle class consumers in Asia, and we expect there to be 3.2 billion in the region by 2030…President Obama and I want to ensure that… businesses can successfully compete for all these potential customers. ….Over the next century, no region will matter more… for American prosperity.”

This is why the Obama administration is making a general nuisance of itself in the South China Sea. It’s so the big US mega-corporations will have new customers for their IPADs and toaster ovens.

For that, they are willing to risk a nuclear war.


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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 3:12pm

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US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter is willing to risk a war with China in order to defend  “freedom of navigation” in the South China Sea. Speaking in Honolulu, Hawaii on Wednesday, Carter issued his “most forceful” warning yet, demanding “an immediate and lasting halt to land reclamation” by China in the disputed Spratly Islands.

Carter said:   “There should be no mistake: The United States will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as we do all around the world.” He also added that the United States intended to remain “the principal security power in the Asia-Pacific for decades to come.”

In order to show Chinese leaders “who’s the boss”, Carter has threatened to deploy US warships and surveillance aircraft to within twelve miles of the islands that China claims are within their territorial waters. Not surprisingly, the US is challenging China under the provisions of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea,  a document the US has stubbornly refused to ratify.  But that’s neither here nor there for the bellicose Carter whose insatiable appetite for confrontation makes him the most reckless Sec-Def since Donald Rumsfeld.

So what’s this really all about?  Why does Washington care so much about a couple hundred yards of sand piled up on reefs in the South China Sea? What danger does that pose to US national security? And, haven’t Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines all engaged in similar “land reclamation” activities without raising hackles in DC?

Of course, they have. The whole thing is a joke. Just like Carter’s claim that he’s defending the lofty principal of “freedom of navigation” is a joke. China has never blocked shipping lanes or seized boats sailing in international waters. Never.  The same cannot be said of the United States that just  recently blocked an Iranian ship loaded with humanitarian relief–food, water and critical medical supplies–headed to starving refugees in Yemen. Of course, when the US does it, it’s okay. (...)

Yes, we can (still do worse)...

 
Not true ...

From the Long Beach Independent, March 27, 1967.  There is a box at the bottom of the page to read the actual text that I copied.  There is one story of a local rescue of a capsized boat that I also remember.  Was a nice trip down memory lane.  Anyway ...

 (See People in the News, Page A-2) Combined News Services Two Newport Beach schoolteachers and their Australian friend sailed back to Hong Kong Sunday and said they had been captured by Chinese Communists and held prisoner for a week. William Hanke, 33, his wife Carol, 29, and the Australian, Garry Sharp, 20, had left Hong Kong harbor St. Patrick's Day in the sloop Adventure in an attempt to sail to the United States. Hanke is a geography and history teacher at Harbor High School in Newport Beach. His wife teaches English at the same school. ON MARCH 18, the Hankes said, their craft was captured by two armed junks in international waters, about 30 miles off the Red China mainland. The junks were part of a huge fishing fleet and the 30-foot Adventure was sandwiched between the two vessels. Five or six men, Hanke said, scrambled aboard the Adventure. Some carried submachine guns, some rifles, and one youth among them clutched hand grenades. "At first," Hanke said, "we thought they were Filipino pirates. But then we noticed one of them was wearing a small Mao Tse-tung badge. The Chinese searched the sloop and then forced the three captives to sail it to Ping Hoi, a large fishing port on the northeast of Hong Kong. THE HANKES and the Australian were forced to stay on board the Adventure four straight days and nights, and were allowed on shore the fifth day only for three hours of exercise. The Americans said no one attempted to harm them. They were given fresh water, vegetables, meat, fish, eggs and fruit. An English-speaking Communist official went on hoard the sloop the second day. After examining passports, he told the three that the Chinese had "no hatred" for American citizens, but were "completely against the policies of the American government." * * * B ON SATURDAY, the two Americans and the Aussie were told they were free to leave. "A junk towed us out beyond the 12-mile limit and we sailed for Hong Kong," Hanke said. The Adventure was damaged slightly when the two junks sandwiched it, and is undergoing repairs. The Californians and Sharp will undertake their transpacific voyage again as soon as the craft is seaworthy.

Carol Hanke was my 10th grade English teacher as well as my wife's.  We got the story first hand.  I had her the immediate school year after their capture.  Patty the next year.  Her husband did teach at Harbor High (which was the actual school used in the TV show the OC ), But Carol taught at Corona del Mar HS where we went.  Both the wife and I did go to Harbor High for classes on occasion but that's another story for another time.

Anyway, I know this first hand.  Another long ago life experience that has come in handy in the present.  The War in Viet Nam was in full swing then.  This did cause an international incident at the time, but after the fact.  For me, it was local and personal.  Others have suffered similar fates sailing near China.  Once for sure is far different from an emphatic NEVER., as your author tried to make it quite clear by putting that word all by itself in its own sentence with a period after it.

If you think that this is the only time I have a few bridges for sale ... cheap ...


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Posted: May 29, 2015 - 9:11am

US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter is willing to risk a war with China in order to defend  “freedom of navigation” in the South China Sea. Speaking in Honolulu, Hawaii on Wednesday, Carter issued his “most forceful” warning yet, demanding “an immediate and lasting halt to land reclamation” by China in the disputed Spratly Islands.

Carter said:   “There should be no mistake: The United States will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as we do all around the world.” He also added that the United States intended to remain “the principal security power in the Asia-Pacific for decades to come.”

In order to show Chinese leaders “who’s the boss”, Carter has threatened to deploy US warships and surveillance aircraft to within twelve miles of the islands that China claims are within their territorial waters. Not surprisingly, the US is challenging China under the provisions of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea,  a document the US has stubbornly refused to ratify.  But that’s neither here nor there for the bellicose Carter whose insatiable appetite for confrontation makes him the most reckless Sec-Def since Donald Rumsfeld.

So what’s this really all about?  Why does Washington care so much about a couple hundred yards of sand piled up on reefs in the South China Sea? What danger does that pose to US national security? And, haven’t Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines all engaged in similar “land reclamation” activities without raising hackles in DC?

Of course, they have. The whole thing is a joke. Just like Carter’s claim that he’s defending the lofty principal of “freedom of navigation” is a joke. China has never blocked shipping lanes or seized boats sailing in international waters. Never.  The same cannot be said of the United States that just  recently blocked an Iranian ship loaded with humanitarian relief–food, water and critical medical supplies–headed to starving refugees in Yemen. Of course, when the US does it, it’s okay. (...)

Yes, we can (still do worse)...
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 4:28pm

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China has its own issues...unless it finds a way to grow its middle class and get them to consume more, its economy could collapse...and what happens if we stop buying all that crap they sell us?  Honestly, we dont need much of it, right?
 
The problem isn't/won't be their "middle class", it will increasingly be our own stagnant/disappearing productive classes, which as your last part points out, is still needed to buy their stuff.

The middle class may end up more and more being the bureaucratic/security class needed to maintain the profitability and the order of things.

Aside from all that, there will remain (increasingly important) environmental constraints.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 12:05pm

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I first heard this on PBS news the other day and it surprised me, the true holders of most of our debt is....wait for it.....our own .gov!  So per usual, it is the lower and middle class future generations that are going to get screwed by any default:




  Right, public debt is only about 60% of total debt.  Debt by govt accounts is still owed to the beneficiaries...except for the what the Fed acquired in the last few years (over $2 trillion)...and that was essentially the free money its been printing to keep the economy afloat.  Now Europe is on that same path to the the tune of about EUR1.2 trillion. 


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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 11:45am

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China owes a little over $1.25t of our debt, the biggest of all foreign holders of our debt, but less than 10% and about the same as Japan.  http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
p.s., China has its own issues...unless it finds a way to grow its middle class and get them to consume more, its economy could collapse...and what happens if we stop buying all that crap they sell us?  Honestly, we dont need much of it, right?

 

I first heard this on PBS news the other day and it surprised me, the true holders of most of our debt is....wait for it.....our own .gov!  So per usual, it is the lower and middle class future generations that are going to get screwed by any default:





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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 11:32am

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Interesting article...not familiar with Michael Pillsbury, or his intentions. (...)
 
Wikipedia should give you a rough idea... {#Wink}
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 9:45am

 kurtster wrote:




 
China owes a little over $1.25t of our debt, the biggest of all foreign holders of our debt, but less than 10% and about the same as Japan.  http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
p.s., China has its own issues...unless it finds a way to grow its middle class and get them to consume more, its economy could collapse...and what happens if we stop buying all that crap they sell us?  Honestly, we dont need much of it, right?
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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 9:18am

 black321 wrote:

Interesting article...not familiar with Michael Pillsbury, or his intentions. I personally doubt we have anything to fear from a bullets and tanks perspective, except perhaps the loss of sales of bullets and tanks...
As a side note, having experience teaching at a local public university and recognizing the need for some diversity, I was always surprised by the excessive number of foreign students we let into our schools, at the expense of local residents.  There is the historical perspective that these "best minds" from foreign worlds would stay and help the good ole USA, but from my experience in the current environment, more of these students would eventually head back home. 

China‘s secret plan to topple the US as the world’s superpower

In 1995, Michael Pillsbury, an expert on China who has worked with every US president since Nixon and has, he writes, “arguably had more access to China’s military and intelligence establishment than any other Westerner,” was reading an article written by “three of China’s preeminent military experts” about “new technologies that would contribute to the defeat of the United States.”

http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/chinas-secret-plan-to-topple-the-us-as-the-worlds-superpower/

 


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Posted: Feb 9, 2015 - 9:01am


Interesting article...not familiar with Michael Pillsbury, or his intentions. I personally doubt we have anything to fear from a bullets and tanks perspective, except perhaps the loss of sales of bullets and tanks...
As a side note, having experience teaching at a local public university and recognizing the need for some diversity, I was always surprised by the excessive number of foreign students we let into our schools, at the expense of local residents.  There is the historical perspective that these "best minds" from foreign worlds would stay and help the good ole USA, but from my experience in the current environment, more of these students would eventually head back home. 

China‘s secret plan to topple the US as the world’s superpower

In 1995, Michael Pillsbury, an expert on China who has worked with every US president since Nixon and has, he writes, “arguably had more access to China’s military and intelligence establishment than any other Westerner,” was reading an article written by “three of China’s preeminent military experts” about “new technologies that would contribute to the defeat of the United States.”

http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/chinas-secret-plan-to-topple-the-us-as-the-worlds-superpower/
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