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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 2:53pm

 islander wrote:

So let me offer an alternate construct. I'm 45 and as near as I can tell (according to various forecasts) I have been living in the end times since the day I was born. In this era of the sunset of humanity, we have gone to the moon, brought vast empowerment to the female half of our species, mastered the semiconductor, achieved fantastic insights into the nature of matter and leverage that into materials science that gives us an array of products and technologies that would easily have been considered magic a 100 years ago. We've increased crop production and distribution so that we keep millions of people fed (some overly so). The overall levels of freedom, independence across the globe are trending in a positive direction. Sure there continue to be problems, but our trajectory is certainly correct.

Our Economy is just one more machine we have built. Just as we have seen increases in productivity from all our other machines, so to have we with our economy. Yes we had some problems in 2008/9, but the Ford Pinto wasn't the apex of automobile production either.  We all agreed there was a problem, we threw some cash at it and we agreed to keep using the machine. As long as most people choose to be happy, productive and cooperative this is going to continue. There will always be those forecasting doom, and sometimes they will be right.  

So invest in index funds and real estate and when a crash happens you'll still own a piece of lots of businesses that will survive and grow again, and you'll have a roof to keep the rain off.  Also invest in yourself - education, health and relationships are all things you can do on your own that bring great satisfaction and happiness. Happiness is what we are all after right? So don't worry so much, don't consume so much passive entertainment, don't spend your time protecting yourself from failure. Go build, go produce, make stuff. Whether that be widgets, programs for the poor, or just relationships with people who like to walk in the park. Make your live about positivity, growing and building. You don't have to consume everything all the time.  If you do this, there will still be crashes and downturns and retractions. But you'll be better positioned to deal with them if you believe that there will eventually be a sunbreak. If you look for the positive side you'll find it, if you wallow in the negative you'll find that as well. 

This isn't partisan. There were as many dems calling out doom in 2006 as there are republicans now (although in fairness, the dems didn't tend to bring out the armory). And many of the people upset now were also mad in 1998 - but surprisingly thought things were peachy in 2006. Stop listening to those people. They are all downers and they won't be happy even when they drag you down with them.  Call me naive if you want, but people like me have a lot more fun, and even when the doomsayers are right we manage to get through it.  Come on in, the water is fine and there is always room for another optimist. 

 
  
A nice motivational reply.  I understand the benefits of optimism and wouldn't be approaching a personal milestone if I didn't have any real optimism.  Having said that at the age of 61 plus, I've seen what you have and a little bit more.

I would disagree with you on the first bolded.  Perhaps you could be correct if you would say that the less free are becoming more free and independent, but at the same time I see the already free becoming less free and more dependent.  One is gaining while the other is losing.  Both lines are not rising, rather, they are converging.  In the ideal sense, both should rise and eventually meet on the same upward trend.

One the second bolded, yep a great economy, still the greatest in the world, but it too is faltering.  We will soon be replaced by the Chinese as the greatest economy on the planet.  Once we did put a man on the moon, yet a very long time ago.  Now we are hitching rides on our competitors spacecraft to the tune of $75 mil one way because we don't have any way to get there anymore.  We are bankrupting our Treasury with war and reckless spending based on emotion and false information or disinformation.  We are awash in a sea of propaganda and corruption where there are no facts that are facts anymore.  The US is clearly in decline.  I don't know how it can be seen in any other way or context.

Sure, we are comfortable, the stores have goods on the shelves, the lights go on when you flick the switch (not so much in Ca) and there is gas in the gas stations (but I have already experienced rationing).  What more do we need, right ?

I do not believe in end times, we should be so lucky, eh ?  But seriously, life is becoming empty less satisfying unless one is addicted to gadgets and social media.  I have not gone out and purchased any guns from fear of anything.  What is disconcerting is the wave of complacency overtaking our society.  Corruption has been accepted as established rather than seen as a potential threat.  The will to fight it has been broken.  Our government is lying to us in ways that make the 60's and 70's seem like the peak of enlightenment and honesty in our history.  And this is not a partisan remark.  Both sides are lying.  No one is being held accountable.  No one is going to jail.  If you have enough money, you can buy your way out of anything, except for Martha Stewart.  Affluenza is now a recognized defense that will allow you to get away with murder.  Too rich for your own good.  Have pity on the poor rich lad, he was never forced to be responsible for his actions before, so killing a few people while driving drunk is not an opportune time to start teaching responsibility.  Poor rich baby.

The government is no longer protecting us.  Instead it is spying on us.  We recently found out another goody about the NSA regarding the Heartbleed bug.  It knew about it for a couple of years and rather than bringing it to our attention and fixing it, it exploited it against us.  Free speech (opposition to the government) has almost effectively been silenced by the IRS.  With Watergate, it was the hint that the IRS would be used as a political weapon that was enough to bring down a presidency.  We presently have almost conclusive proof that this has been done, yet its accepted and being swept under the rug.

I watch people for a living.  While we here are engaged, informed and generally well plugged in, the general public is just about in a state of sleepwalking.  Everyone is staring at a tiny screen in the palm of their hand, being spoon fed what ever it is that they have signed up for.  I'm getting tired of having to slam on the brakes in the car to avoid someone wondering aimlessly around in the path of danger.  I see young people walking down alleys behind buildings oblivious to any dangers stumbling as they are transfixed to the tiny screens.  It would be so easy ...  Yet I am civilized.

Time to wrap up this mediocre little rant and say that I am not without hope and optimism, just that I see little, at present, to be hopeful or optimistic about.  I don't go around spouting this at the top of my lungs.  Yet I use this thread as a place of catharsis to speak about it.  It seems to be the appropriate place.

Hell, I survived disco, this will be easy.  


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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 10:56am

 Isabeau wrote:

Well said. Have to make an effort to be optimistic these days, but it can be done. Depends on what we're focused on.

 
To be clear, I'm not saying always be happy, or everything will always be fine. Just don't wallow in misery and worry. There are clearly problems and we will need to work hard to overcome them. But if we focus only on the bad and treat challenges as insurmountable we will certainly fail.  All of the really successful people I know (both with and without monetary wealth) are optimists. Maybe they are successful because they are optimistic and not the other way around.


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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 10:49am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Pollyanna

 
It's all the crackers.
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 10:20am

 islander wrote:

So let me offer an alternate construct. I'm 45 and as near as I can tell (according to various forecasts) I have been living in the end times since the day I was born. In this era of the sunset of humanity, we have gone to the moon, brought vast empowerment to the female half of our species, mastered the semiconductor, achieved fantastic insights into the nature of matter and leverage that into materials science that gives us an array of products and technologies that would easily have been considered magic a 100 years ago. We've increased crop production and distribution so that we keep millions of people fed (some overly so). The overall levels of freedom, independence across the globe are trending in a positive direction. Sure there continue to be problems, but our trajectory is certainly correct.

Our Economy is just one more machine we have built. Just as we have seen increases in productivity from all our other machines, so to have we with our economy. Yes we had some problems in 2008/9, but the Ford Pinto wasn't the apex of automobile production either.  We all agreed there was a problem, we threw some cash at it and we agreed to keep using the machine. As long as most people choose to be happy, productive and cooperative this is going to continue. There will always be those forecasting doom, and sometimes they will be right.  

So invest in index funds and real estate and when a crash happens you'll still own a piece of lots of businesses that will survive and grow again, and you'll have a roof to keep the rain off.  Also invest in yourself - education, health and relationships are all things you can do on your own that bring great satisfaction and happiness. Happiness is what we are all after right? So don't worry so much, don't consume so much passive entertainment, don't spend your time protecting yourself from failure. Go build, go produce, make stuff. Whether that be widgets, programs for the poor, or just relationships with people who like to walk in the park. Make your live about positivity, growing and building. You don't have to consume everything all the time.  If you do this, there will still be crashes and downturns and retractions. But you'll be better positioned to deal with them if you believe that there will eventually be a sunbreak. If you look for the positive side you'll find it, if you wallow in the negative you'll find that as well. 

This isn't partisan. There were as many dems calling out doom in 2006 as there are republicans now (although in fairness, the dems didn't tend to bring out the armory). And many of the people upset now were also mad in 1998 - but surprisingly thought things were peachy in 2006. Stop listening to those people. They are all downers and they won't be happy even when they drag you down with them.  Call me naive if you want, but people like me have a lot more fun, and even when the doomsayers are right we manage to get through it.  Come on in, the water is fine and there is always room for another optimist. 

 
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 10:14am

 islander wrote:

So let me offer an alternate construct. I'm 45 and as near as I can tell (according to various forecasts) I have been living in the end times since the day I was born. In this era of the sunset of humanity, we have gone to the moon, brought vast empowerment to the female half of our species, mastered the semiconductor, achieved fantastic insights into the nature of matter and leverage that into materials science that gives us an array of products and technologies that would easily have been considered magic a 100 years ago. We've increased crop production and distribution so that we keep millions of people fed (some overly so). The overall levels of freedom, independence across the globe are trending in a positive direction. Sure there continue to be problems, but our trajectory is certainly correct.

Our Economy is just one more machine we have built. Just as we have seen increases in productivity from all our other machines, so to have we with our economy. Yes we had some problems in 2008/9, but the Ford Pinto wasn't the apex of automobile production either.  We all agreed there was a problem, we threw some cash at it and we agreed to keep using the machine. As long as most people choose to be happy, productive and cooperative this is going to continue. There will always be those forecasting doom, and sometimes they will be right.  

So invest in index funds and real estate and when a crash happens you'll still own a piece of lots of businesses that will survive and grow again, and you'll have a roof to keep the rain off.  Also invest in yourself - education, health and relationships are all things you can do on your own that bring great satisfaction and happiness. Happiness is what we are all after right? So don't worry so much, don't consume so much passive entertainment, don't spend your time protecting yourself from failure. Go build, go produce, make stuff. Whether that be widgets, programs for the poor, or just relationships with people who like to walk in the park. Make your live about positivity, growing and building. You don't have to consume everything all the time.  If you do this, there will still be crashes and downturns and retractions. But you'll be better positioned to deal with them if you believe that there will eventually be a sunbreak. If you look for the positive side you'll find it, if you wallow in the negative you'll find that as well. 

This isn't partisan. There were as many dems calling out doom in 2006 as there are republicans now (although in fairness, the dems didn't tend to bring out the armory). And many of the people upset now were also mad in 1998 - but surprisingly thought things were peachy in 2006. Stop listening to those people. They are all downers and they won't be happy even when they drag you down with them.  Call me naive if you want, but people like me have a lot more fun, and even when the doomsayers are right we manage to get through it.  Come on in, the water is fine and there is always room for another optimist. 

 
Well said. Have to make an effort to be optimistic these days, but it can be done. Depends on what we're focused on.
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 9:27am

 kurtster wrote:

Yep.  I have seen the two charts used before to support a different, yet similar argument about a year ago.

Looking at Figure 2 in the article, the drop in wealth at the top percentile corresponds with the crash at the end of 2008 which led to TARP.  We see the result of TARP in the years after in the chart.

We should have let the house burn down and not pass TARP.  I said it then and still say it.  The only ones who would have lost without TARP were the wealthiest.  Everyone else would have noticed little changes in their everyday lives.  It was the last opportunity the little folks had in bringing them down.  It would have bankrupted and closed Goldman Sachs for example.  It would have effectively ended its influence in the government.

It really is over now and TARP was the last turning point.  The only way anything will change now is with either a global collapse or with a revolution. Neither of those is desirable, yet the more people have nothing to lose, the more inevitable the likelihood becomes. 

Call the cook, the frog in the pot is just about ready to be served. 

 
So let me offer an alternate construct. I'm 45 and as near as I can tell (according to various forecasts) I have been living in the end times since the day I was born. In this era of the sunset of humanity, we have gone to the moon, brought vast empowerment to the female half of our species, mastered the semiconductor, achieved fantastic insights into the nature of matter and leverage that into materials science that gives us an array of products and technologies that would easily have been considered magic a 100 years ago. We've increased crop production and distribution so that we keep millions of people fed (some overly so). The overall levels of freedom, independence across the globe are trending in a positive direction. Sure there continue to be problems, but our trajectory is certainly correct.

Our Economy is just one more machine we have built. Just as we have seen increases in productivity from all our other machines, so to have we with our economy. Yes we had some problems in 2008/9, but the Ford Pinto wasn't the apex of automobile production either.  We all agreed there was a problem, we threw some cash at it and we agreed to keep using the machine. As long as most people choose to be happy, productive and cooperative this is going to continue. There will always be those forecasting doom, and sometimes they will be right.  

So invest in index funds and real estate and when a crash happens you'll still own a piece of lots of businesses that will survive and grow again, and you'll have a roof to keep the rain off.  Also invest in yourself - education, health and relationships are all things you can do on your own that bring great satisfaction and happiness. Happiness is what we are all after right? So don't worry so much, don't consume so much passive entertainment, don't spend your time protecting yourself from failure. Go build, go produce, make stuff. Whether that be widgets, programs for the poor, or just relationships with people who like to walk in the park. Make your live about positivity, growing and building. You don't have to consume everything all the time.  If you do this, there will still be crashes and downturns and retractions. But you'll be better positioned to deal with them if you believe that there will eventually be a sunbreak. If you look for the positive side you'll find it, if you wallow in the negative you'll find that as well. 

This isn't partisan. There were as many dems calling out doom in 2006 as there are republicans now (although in fairness, the dems didn't tend to bring out the armory). And many of the people upset now were also mad in 1998 - but surprisingly thought things were peachy in 2006. Stop listening to those people. They are all downers and they won't be happy even when they drag you down with them.  Call me naive if you want, but people like me have a lot more fun, and even when the doomsayers are right we manage to get through it.  Come on in, the water is fine and there is always room for another optimist. 
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 9:27am

philip k howard

Philip Howard "argues that the very structure of our democracy is...clogged by deep thickets of dysfunctional law." The Rule of Nobody "drives home large truths." - Stuart Taylor, Jr., Wall Street Journal

below are a couple of vids that i would encourage everyone to watch when time allows...



Published on Apr 16, 2014

"All of life works on responsibility," says Philip K. Howard. "Everybody listening to this...has achieved what they've achieved in life because they took responsibility to make it happen. Government is no different than that."

In 1995, Howard wrote The Death of Common Sense: How Law is Suffocating America, kicking off a national conversation about bureaucratic overreach and stupid regulations. In his new book, The Rule of Nobody: Saving America from Dead Laws and Broken Government, he extends and elaborates his analysis. It isn't bureaucratic gridlock or partisan polarization that's keeping Washington in perpetual mismanagement, argues Howard, but a fog of rules and regulations that has made it nearly impossible to figure out who is responsible.

Until civil servants can use common sense and practical judgement, he says, the government won't gain the flexibility needed for solving today's problems.

In a wide-ranging conversation with Reason's Nick Gillespie, Howard discusses many topics, including the following: the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey's inability to quickly raise the height of the Bayonne Bridge to accommodate newer, taller ships (00:57); why even President Obama doesn't control the executive branch (5:37); why regulations haven't made nursing homes better (7:50); how even New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo couldn't shut down an unused juvenile detention center due to union rules (9:12); the long history of doctors gaming Medicare (10:31); why businesses are more flexible than governments (12:10); how technocratic views of government took over America; why mandatory minimums have led to abuse by prosecutors (18:42); specific reforms to shift from "automatic government" to individual responsibility (25:44); the goals of the Common Good Foundation (43:00); and the high probablitiy of "seismic change" in America's political culture (44:10).

About 45 minutes.


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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 8:35am

Meanwhile back at the ranch ...

 Washington set a new record in 2013 by issuing final rules consuming 26,417 pages in the Federal Register
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 8:16am

 oldviolin wrote:

after all, it will be so much easier to change gears after all the teeth are ground down...

 
We don't need a transmission overhaul, we need a brand new power train ...
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:39am

 miamizsun wrote:

i say we keep voting for it

cause with a few minor tweaks we'll be good...

right?  {#Wink}
...man if i could just get my hands on that giant power machine i could straighten shyte out immediately...
 
after all, it will be so much easier to change gears after all the teeth are ground down...
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:37am

 oldviolin wrote:

many alternate opinions in the comments after...

 
i say we keep voting for it

cause with a few minor tweaks we'll be good...

right?  {#Wink}
...man if i could just get my hands on that giant power machine i could straighten shyte out immediately...

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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:37am

 helenofjoy wrote:

I didn't read the comments.  Do they indicate that the readers actually read the study?  Are the comments pointing out flaws in the study or simply disagreeing with the study's findings?

 
Well, I don't know if there were flaws in the study, but conclusions are always ripe for the picking apart of...
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:34am

 oldviolin wrote:

many alternate opinions in the comments after...

 
I didn't read the comments.  Do they indicate that the readers actually read the study?  Are the comments pointing out flaws in the study or simply disagreeing with the study's findings?
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:30am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

File under: No Shit.
 
 
many alternate opinions in the comments after...
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:23am

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Yep.  I have seen the two charts used before to support a different, yet similar argument about a year ago.

Looking at Figure 2 in the article, the drop in wealth at the top percentile corresponds with the crash at the end of 2008 which led to TARP.  We see the result of TARP in the years after in the chart.

We should have let the house burn down and not pass TARP.  I said it then and still say it.  The only ones who would have lost without TARP were the wealthiest.  Everyone else would have noticed little changes in their everyday lives.  It was the last opportunity the little folks had in bringing them down.  It would have bankrupted and closed Goldman Sachs for example.  It would have effectively ended its influence in the government.

It really is over now and TARP was the last turning point.  The only way anything will change now is with either a global collapse or with a revolution. Neither of those is desirable, yet the more people have nothing to lose, the more inevitable the likelihood becomes. 

Call the cook, the frog in the pot is just about ready to be served. 
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 7:05am

 sirdroseph wrote:


I take it this is a joke, right?  Regardless of political persuasion, I think any objective observer would realize that all of this has very little to do with the tortoise.

 
Yes, it is sarcasm and no that is what the government said 20 years ago for making changes in its land use policy.  

Its now way beyond the tortoise.

What is most curious is Harry Reid's rapt attention and direct participation in this matter.  

Pure conjecture on my part as I have seen nothing on this anywhere, but it almost seems to be a Mormon vs. Mormon thing between Reid and Bundy.

But there also seems to be a problem with Reid and his son Rory in some land dealings and influence within the BLM that can be considered to be corruption at some level.
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 6:55am

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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 4:19am

Princeton Concludes What Kind of Government America Really Has, and It's Not a Democracy
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Posted: Apr 17, 2014 - 4:10am

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And this is all about a tortoise.  That is what started all of this.

 

I take it this is a joke, right?  Regardless of political persuasion, I think any objective observer would realize that all of this has very little to do with the tortoise.
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