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Posted: Dec 18, 2014 - 9:17am

Thought of miamizsun when I saw this:


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Posted: Dec 12, 2014 - 11:25am


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Posted: Dec 12, 2014 - 7:16am

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I think it's more than that.
Implemented routinely, throughout the country, having most of our nation perform a few years of service to the government would also give them more discipline and direction. It would also dissuade folks from rushing so headlong into physical conflict with the notion that the military is cannon fodder and expendable.

Having everyone become The Man for a while makes it a little less likely that they'll think badly of The Man. 

 
I can get behind that and have long been behind a government service commitment in lieu of military service.

It wouldn't necessarily do what my point about the draft was about as much, but it would be a middle ground for this point in our history.  My point about the draft was that with the implementation of the lottery, the possibility of being drafted was a totally random process that would keep all on their toes and paying attention.  A national service would be a predictable thing which by being predictable would not foster the kind of attention that would awake the masses from the deep apathy we currently suffer from.

Your last sentence rings so true regardless and I couldn't agree more. 
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Posted: Dec 12, 2014 - 6:49am

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You see I agree completely with you adding that I have lived deep in the Bible belt my entire life and have NEVER seen anyone like this in public, they seem as much a silly aberration as those that sign up for the Jerry Springer show, Myrtle Beach Manor or Honey Boo Boo.  If there are those who wish to see this as normalcy in the white south go right ahead, but for me racial stereotyping is unbecoming at best.

 
I never meant to imply this as common. I'd expect to only see this in a very few peripheral suburban areas that are fairly affluent. That is where you would probably find the particular intersection of bored, entitled people who would do this and owned/operated power structures that would make it okay to do so.  
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Posted: Dec 12, 2014 - 4:58am

 sirdroseph wrote:
You see I agree completely with you adding that I have lived deep in the Bible belt my entire life and have NEVER seen anyone like this in public, they seem as much a silly aberration as those that sign up for the Jerry Springer show, Myrtle Beach Manor or Honey Boo Boo.  If there are those who wish to see this as normalcy in the white south go right ahead, but for me racial stereotyping is unbecoming at best.
 

growing up in a really rural area i've seen shotguns and rifles on gun racks in pick up trucks

that's about it

would it be any better if they organized and wore costumes?
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Posted: Dec 12, 2014 - 4:39am

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Speaking as a guy who owned guns for his entire adult life until just a couple of years ago; these guys are complete idiots. I have yet to see this, but if I do I am likely to point that out to the idiot carrying a goddam rifle in Home Depot. WTF is WRONG with you!?

 

You see I agree completely with you adding that I have lived deep in the Bible belt my entire life and have NEVER seen anyone like this in public, they seem as much a silly aberration as those that sign up for the Jerry Springer show, Myrtle Beach Manor or Honey Boo Boo.  If there are those who wish to see this as normalcy in the white south go right ahead, but for me racial stereotyping is unbecoming at best.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:36pm

 islander wrote:

To be fair, if there were a zombie apocalypse, home depot is a logical 1st base. Of course for flexing my constitutional rights I've done pretty good so far just keeping the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution itself in my Kindle. No one is bothered when I take my Kindle to Chipotle. 

 
Agreed, but I pick Costco for the food stores, although my wife, when we go for walks by the canal, points out that this would be a good place to get some nice well-fed duck if we needed it...
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:34pm

 islander wrote:

I do get your point, but I think it's incumbent on the guy with the gun to step back first.  Thug culture really isn't that much of a thing in my area and our cops have an MRAP (with a freaking turret).  I don't think the local old folks and stray canadians were pushing them that hard.

 
Not ignoring the police, but I'll point out that where I live (Bay Area, CA) that person with the gun is more likely to be Thug (or Patriot) than Cop.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:17pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Speaking as a guy who owned guns for his entire adult life until just a couple of years ago; these guys are complete idiots. I have yet to see this, but if I do I am likely to point that out to the idiot carrying a goddam rifle in Home Depot. WTF is WRONG with you!?

 
To be fair, if there were a zombie apocalypse, home depot is a logical 1st base. Of course for flexing my constitutional rights I've done pretty good so far just keeping the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution itself in my Kindle. No one is bothered when I take my Kindle to Chipotle. 
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:14pm

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I don't see it like a pendulum as much as like a bad marriage. Unless both people work at it, there will always be ireeconcilable differences (but no hope of divorce).

The police need to calm the F down.
But they can't if the public insists that Thug Culture is the way America behaves. 

 
I do get your point, but I think it's incumbent on the guy with the gun to step back first.  Thug culture really isn't that much of a thing in my area and our cops have an MRAP (with a freaking turret).  I don't think the local old folks and stray canadians were pushing them that hard.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:13pm

 islander wrote:

They both seem like head-wear affectionados. As long as you keep your fez on you'll be fine. 

 
I never do it without my fez on.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:12pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Speaking as a guy who owned guns for his entire adult life until just a couple of years ago; these guys are complete idiots. I have yet to see this, but if I do I am likely to point that out to the idiot carrying a goddam rifle in Home Depot. WTF is WRONG with you!?

 
And then you get the speech about Obama and 2nd Amendment and rights and why do you hate America, son?...

Yay for where the media has dragged us as a nation. 
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:11pm

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Those guys scare me. A couple of beers and they don't like my hair and I'm running for my life while they feed their egos and get a good story to tell at work.

 
They both seem like head-wear affectionados. As long as you keep your fez on you'll be fine. 
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:10pm

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I'll give you that it's not just about race. But I think it's pretty hard to make the argument that race is not a substantial component.

 

swaggering  - check.

sagging pants - check.

brandishing a potential weapon - check

using threatening speech
 - unknown, but I'll say confrontational is likely and it could easily be misinterpreted.

Yet this kind of thing was happening regularly over the last couple years in many places  and it was given a pass. I'm going to go ahead and say it's because they are white and in largely white areas. It's pretty hard to tell education level or socioeconomic upbringing in most of these situations, but I'm still willing to bet that a well educated black buy flaunting his rights would get a different response. 

 
Speaking as a guy who owned guns for his entire adult life until just a couple of years ago; these guys are complete idiots. I have yet to see this, but if I do I am likely to point that out to the idiot carrying a goddam rifle in Home Depot. WTF is WRONG with you!?
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:09pm

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Agreed. I was hassled a lot in my youth, but looking back I can understand why (mostly). I've also had times recently when they tried hard to intimidate me without cause. I think there has been a definite shift in the last few decades. I hope we are seeing the end of the pendulum swing and people will start reigning in the power we dished out a bit to easily.

 
I don't see it like a pendulum as much as like a bad marriage. Unless both people work at it, there will always be ireeconcilable differences (but no hope of divorce).

The police need to calm the F down.
But they can't if the public insists that Thug Culture is the way America behaves. 
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:07pm

 islander wrote:

I'll give you that it's not just about race. But I think it's pretty hard to make the argument that race is not a substantial component.

 

swaggering  - check.

sagging pants - check.

brandishing a potential weapon - check

using threatening speech
 - unknown, but I'll say confrontational is likely and it could easily be misinterpreted.

Yet this kind of thing was happening regularly over the last couple years in many places  and it was given a pass. I'm going to go ahead and say it's because they are white and in largely white areas. It's pretty hard to tell education level or socioeconomic upbringing in most of these situations, but I'm still willing to bet that a well educated black buy flaunting his rights would get a different response. 

 
Those guys scare me. A couple of beers and they don't like my hair and I'm running for my life while they feed their egos and get a good story to tell at work.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 3:05pm

 kurtster wrote:

I do believe that there is a direct correlation to citizen apathy since the draft has been ended. 

 
I think it's more than that.
Implemented routinely, throughout the country, having most of our nation perform a few years of service to the government would also give them more discipline and direction. It would also dissuade folks from rushing so headlong into physical conflict with the notion that the military is cannon fodder and expendable.

Having everyone become The Man for a while makes it a little less likely that they'll think badly of The Man. 
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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 2:59pm

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My very white 18 yr old son was singled out of a group of kids and forced to lie on the ground face first, while the police played mind games on him to get him to admit that he was smoking pot (he wasn't).
He asked if he could move one of his arms since it was cramping. 
"Not unless you want to end up arrested."

WTF?

Two years later, he's obsessed with police treatment of the arrested, incredulous that they can lie to you ("This is going on your record!" etc).
A kid who was basically apathetic about the police has now become a very well informed, intelligent foe. I doubt that was the intent of the officer who harassed him, but it was an obvious outcome.
A-hole police don't simply scare people; they create enemies. 

 
Agreed. I was hassled a lot in my youth, but looking back I can understand why (mostly). I've also had times recently when they tried hard to intimidate me without cause. I think there has been a definite shift in the last few decades. I hope we are seeing the end of the pendulum swing and people will start reigning in the power we dished out a bit to easily.


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Posted: Dec 11, 2014 - 2:54pm

 Steely_D wrote:

See, it's not about race. That's the lazy thoughtless shorthand that folks use, since skin color is easier to use as a litmus test for who's good and bad.

But it's not race - it's culture. Anyone swaggering with sagging pants, brandishing a potential weapon, using threatening speech - be they black, white, brown, red - they're gonna get in confrontations and the police are trained to bring that down.

That's not racism. It's how you behave with manners in a society. 

 
I'll give you that it's not just about race. But I think it's pretty hard to make the argument that race is not a substantial component.

 

swaggering  - check.

sagging pants - check.

brandishing a potential weapon - check

using threatening speech
 - unknown, but I'll say confrontational is likely and it could easily be misinterpreted.

Yet this kind of thing was happening regularly over the last couple years in many places  and it was given a pass. I'm going to go ahead and say it's because they are white and in largely white areas. It's pretty hard to tell education level or socioeconomic upbringing in most of these situations, but I'm still willing to bet that a well educated black buy flaunting his rights would get a different response. 
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