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Posted: Aug 29, 2014 - 2:08pm

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Ok first please tell me where in the Libertarian official platform do they support open carry ( I know I don't, I support the right for someone to conceal carry if they wish) secondly exactly what party supports being threatened by people with a gun, most Libertarians I know support freedom unless it infringes on others and threatening people with a gun does not fall under that category.  Thirdly and most importantly, you are avoiding the true issue as Lazy explained and the reason is quite obvious.

 
The thrust of the headline, and the article, was that people were being intimidated by an armed fellow who was using some pretext to try and get them to back off on some petition that they signed, correct? The guy was verbally trying to persuade them to do something. As far as I can tell from the article you posted, he never drew or brandished his gun, or threatened to harm these people with it, it was just there on his person. Had he done that, he would probably be guilty of aggravated assault (which the article alludes to, presumably, when they mention class 4 felony). If he hadn't been wearing a gun, do you think these people would have still reported feeling threatened/intimidated? 

The Libertarian party folks would be outraged at these sorts of dirty politics tactics regardless, certainly. Trying to coerce people into signing something while you're wearing a gun is a rather unsophisticated and not very subtle technique, but it seems to have had the intended effect of making the people he was challenging/trying to coerce fear for their safety.
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Posted: Aug 28, 2014 - 11:45am

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Julius Hooks, one of the people who signed the libertarian candidate petition, was quoted as saying " I was afraid (of the man who was armed)". The Hed you posted mentioned libertarians being "terrorized".  Maybe these words no longer mean what they used to mean?

...or maybe they never meant you you're trying to make them mean. Especially when the words are yours, not the person's quoted.

I'm sure thugs trying to intimidate people could be effective at it without guns, especially threatening legal action. But you're trying to insinuate some broader point, like "guns are bad, m'kay?" or some such. We get it already. You go ahead and be outraged about the props used for intimidation, we'll be outraged about the intimidation itself.
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Posted: Aug 28, 2014 - 11:22am

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Julius Hooks, one of the people who signed the libertarian candidate petition, was quoted as saying " I was afraid (of the man who was armed)". The Hed you posted mentioned libertarians being "terrorized".  Maybe these words no longer mean what they used to mean?

 

Ok first please tell me where in the Libertarian official platform do they support open carry ( I know I don't, I support the right for someone to conceal carry if they wish) secondly exactly what party supports being threatened by people with a gun, most Libertarians I know support freedom unless it infringes on others and threatening people with a gun does not fall under that category.  Thirdly and most importantly, you are avoiding the true issue as Lazy explained and the reason is quite obvious.


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Posted: Aug 28, 2014 - 11:06am

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If that is what you took from that article, good for you, but you may need to comb your hair from the whoosh. 

 

Julius Hooks, one of the people who signed the libertarian candidate petition, was quoted as saying " I was afraid (of the man who was armed)". The Hed you posted mentioned libertarians being "terrorized".  Maybe these words no longer mean what they used to mean?
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Posted: Aug 28, 2014 - 9:17am

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Actually, it was the libertarians who were expressing fear of someone open-carrying a gun. I was just pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of a self-identified libertarian being upset with someone exercising their liberty to open carry.

 

If that is what you took from that article, good for you, but you may need to comb your hair from the whoosh. 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2014 - 9:10am

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I smell fear.  Why are you afraid of Libertarians?   Perhaps I can answer for you by quoting Lazy:  

The more important issues (like ballot access and the way-too-cozy relationship between the two incumbent parties and the state's elections machinery) are getting short shrift. That's the real scandal.

 

Actually, it was the libertarians who were expressing fear of someone open-carrying a gun. I was just pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of a self-identified libertarian being upset with someone exercising their liberty to open carry.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2014 - 3:59am

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I thought second amendment and liberty lovers such as libertarians would be fine with other people open carrying? After all, the fellow was just being polite to the nice people, right? They should have just showed the man one of their guns, and they could have reached a very polite resolution to their disagreement, I'm sure.

 

 

I smell fear.  Why are you afraid of Libertarians?   Perhaps I can answer for you by quoting Lazy:  

The more important issues (like ballot access and the way-too-cozy relationship between the two incumbent parties and the state's elections machinery) are getting short shrift. That's the real scandal.


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Posted: Aug 26, 2014 - 2:53pm

aflanigan wrote:
I thought second amendment and liberty lovers such as libertarians would be fine with other people open carrying? After all, the fellow was just being polite to the nice people, right? They should have just showed the man one of their guns, and they could have reached a very polite resolution to their disagreement, I'm sure.


Openly carrying, no problem. Intimidating people into signing legal documents, not so much. You read the article, right?

The press is hyperventilating over the fact that the PIs were armed, that's the most sensational aspect of this to them. The more important issues (like ballot access and the way-too-cozy relationship between the two incumbent parties and the state's elections machinery) are getting short shrift. That's the real scandal.

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Posted: Aug 26, 2014 - 2:00pm

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This is crazy!  No, this is not the Onion:

IL Republicans terrorize Libertarians with Guns at their Homes



 
I thought second amendment and liberty lovers such as libertarians would be fine with other people open carrying? After all, the fellow was just being polite to the nice people, right? They should have just showed the man one of their guns, and they could have reached a very polite resolution to their disagreement, I'm sure.

 
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Posted: Aug 25, 2014 - 8:09pm

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If you fed a pig nothing but beans for a week,then inserted the pigs head up the Muslims butt,you could have a methane Muslim Flying Machine.

 Just maybe.It couldn't hurt to give it a try.

 
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Posted: Aug 25, 2014 - 7:31pm

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I looked high and low for an appropriate thread to post this and came up dry.  I coulda put this in the bacon thread, but that is not a poly thread.

So FWIW ...

This is some seriously effed up shit.  Things have gone way too far.

Everyone has to be tolerant except the effing Muslims.  I'm fed up and getting mad as hell.  Pigs have finally taken flight ...

 VERMONT RESTAURANT REMOVES BACON SIGN DUE TO MUSLIM OPPOSITION AND SAFETY CONCERNS

 
If you fed a pig nothing but beans for a week,then inserted the pigs head up the Muslims butt,you could have a methane Muslim Flying Machine.

 Just maybe.It couldn't hurt to give it a try.
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Posted: Aug 25, 2014 - 7:13pm

I looked high and low for an appropriate thread to post this and came up dry.  I coulda put this in the bacon thread, but that is not a poly thread.

So FWIW ...

This is some seriously effed up shit.  Things have gone way too far.

Everyone has to be tolerant except the effing Muslims.  I'm fed up and getting mad as hell.  Pigs have finally taken flight ...

 VERMONT RESTAURANT REMOVES BACON SIGN DUE TO MUSLIM OPPOSITION AND SAFETY CONCERNS


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Posted: Aug 25, 2014 - 4:38am

This is crazy!  No, this is not the Onion:

IL Republicans terrorize Libertarians with Guns at their Homes




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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 11:45am

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A high-school student in the US state of South Carolina has been arrested and suspended from school over a writing assignment in which he claimed to have killed his neighbour's pet dinosaur, it's been reported.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:37am

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I'm not reading any articles because it's all about stupid, but if this is an educational tool that one teacher is using in order to demonstrate how pervasive religion is in society, then fine.

 
No its not a tool.  It is simply a list of words or expressions that this teacher will not allow in her classroom.  Bless you is one of the expressions listed.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:33am

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Well, an inverse in terms of the side taken, but not in terms of the action itself.  Though I really doubt that the reviewers at TDOE made such a decision based on personal beliefs or opinions, they're probably looking to avoid any possible legal entanglements in the future.

 
A self censoring reaction to intimidation and legal bullying.  The death of a thousand cuts.

Fighting back will bankrupt most anyone.  That is how these policies take shape and become established.  Its not because they are accepted, its because no one can afford to fight them.  And the expense of the fight is a consideration in making these policies.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:32am

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Yes it is about a particular teacher and her classroom, not a school wide policy.

 
I'm not reading any articles because it's all about stupid, but if this is an educational tool that one teacher is using in order to demonstrate how pervasive religion is in society, then fine.
 
And having read the article anyway, with my outrage-meter packed away for vacation, that student needed to be suspended. The list of "banned" words is a good one for the most part and the reason for banning "bless you" is that it apparently became some sort of running gag whenever someone sneezed to shout Bless You! in the quiet classroom. 
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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:13am

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I'm more of a "gesundheit" person myself - no specific reason, it just sounds more exotic I guess.  I've never had a woman scold me for holding open a door, but then, I hold doors open for anyone who may be approaching - regardless of gender (well, maybe not if they're really smelly or something), and generally get a "Thank you" response.  I am a little disappointed when they say nothing.   I know what you mean about the culture of prohibition, but that story seems more about a specific teacher and class (and a list of prohibited words) than a school- or district-wide protocol.  I added another part to my prior post while you were responding.

 
Yes it is about a particular teacher and her classroom, not a school wide policy.

Schools have become Ground Zero for Zero Tolerance policies.  Perhaps the teacher should be cited for deviating from school wide policies ?

Zero Tolerance should be a two way street if it is to exist at any level.

In no way, shape or form do I support Zero Tolerance on anything as well as mandatory sentencing in criminal matters. 
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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:04am

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Is that really an inverse?  Seems to me like both sides have lost their way in regards to common sense.  BTW, this is just part of the obituary that Buzz posted yesterday.

 
Well, an inverse in terms of the side taken, but not in terms of the action itself.  Though I really doubt that the reviewers at TDOE made such a decision based on personal beliefs or opinions, they're probably looking to avoid any possible legal entanglements in the future.


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Posted: Aug 22, 2014 - 8:00am

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That story seems like the word of a student - who promptly posted her version on social media - against the word of a teacher and a principal.  We may never know the whole story, but it seems like there were several "forbidden" words and phrases on the list, which was allegedly photographed by another student, for which a student could be reprimanded.  As an inverse, the Tennessee D.O.E., when reviewing submitted items (from at least one source) for statewide testing, avoided any questions which mentioned "fossils" or paleontology.

 

Is that really an inverse?  Seems to me like both sides have lost their way in regards to common sense.  BTW, this is just part of the obituary that Buzz posted yesterday.


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