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westslope

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Posted: Sep 14, 2016 - 4:58pm

Justin Trudeau’s Topless Body Politic
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Posted: Aug 26, 2016 - 5:24pm

"He may have been a defenceman or forward in disguise as he was wearing jersey #17 — a non-traditional number for goalies"

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Posted: Aug 24, 2016 - 4:00pm

 haresfur wrote:

True enough, although tossing anadromous* carcasses back in the river provides major nutrient input for the ecosystem and improves reproduction. I just wish the fisher-people wouldn't do it right at the boat ramp or where I'm trying to launch a kayak.

I think some of the dumping on indigenous people like your First Nations is a reaction to the other myth that they are so in harmony with nature and only take what they need. Truth is almost always more complicated.

*ETA: Spawn til you die

 
haresfur:  good comments.   If you use the whole fish the way I do, the only thing you toss back in the river are the entrails which disappear much faster than meat-heavy carcasses.

Fisher-people, eh?   Recreational fishermen used to be the standard term.  The best gender-neutral term is anglers.  

And yes, anglers can be very disrespectful of the environment, of their fellow anglers (sister anglers?), of First Nations,  and of other recreational users.  The deeply entrenched support for 'open-access' style angling (unrestricted access, unlimited effort) causes lots of congestion, crappy mediocre fishing, poor economic outcomes and occasionally violence. 

You are in part right about the source of the attitudes to FNs.  But that deserves a separate post. 
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 6:26pm

 westslope wrote:


Hei Lazy8,

What drives me a tad crazy here in British Columbia are all the righteous folks who dump on First Nations for wasting fish or wasting this or that when their fellow righteous culturally superior pasty-faces are big wasters of fish, for example.

 Most cut fillets, cut out the ribs and toss the carcass and head.  The alternative is to leave the rib bones in (remove them after cooking) and use the tail, carcass and head to make soup, chowder or a spaghetti sauce.  

Besides, if you are travelling with harvested fish, having the rest of the fish on hand can help one minimize problems with conservation officers who typically insist on being able to identify the harvested fish.   Salmon and trout cheeks are thought by some to be a delicacy.  Personally I like the chewy texture.
 
For perspective, I am half Norwegian and grew up on Nazi occupation stories.  During that time many Norwegians starved.  My capo terrorist grandfather kept guns not to shoot Germans but rather to hunt fresh meat to supplement the family diet.  He did so at considerable risk.  

So I am hardwired for fish and do not waste food.   I do feel sorry for about 40% of North Americans who work extremely hard to eat themselves to death and in the process typically waste massive amounts of food.  

End of rant....    

 
True enough, although tossing anadromous* carcasses back in the river provides major nutrient input for the ecosystem and improves reproduction. I just wish the fisher-people wouldn't do it right at the boat ramp or where I'm trying to launch a kayak.

I think some of the dumping on indigenous people like your First Nations is a reaction to the other myth that they are so in harmony with nature and only take what they need. Truth is almost always more complicated.

*ETA: Spawn til you die


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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 6:16pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
.....

Not "the whole thing", nobody does that. Not even with cows or fish or turkeys. But the meat, certainly.

......
 

Hei Lazy8,

What drives me a tad crazy here in British Columbia are all the righteous folks who dump on First Nations for wasting fish or wasting this or that when their fellow righteous culturally superior pasty-faces are big wasters of fish, for example.

 Most cut fillets, cut out the ribs and toss the carcass and head.  The alternative is to leave the rib bones in (remove them after cooking) and use the tail, carcass and head to make soup, chowder or a spaghetti sauce.  

Besides, if you are travelling with harvested fish, having the rest of the fish on hand can help one minimize problems with conservation officers who typically insist on being able to identify the harvested fish.   Salmon and trout cheeks are thought by some to be a delicacy.  Personally I like the chewy texture.
 
For perspective, I am half Norwegian and grew up on Nazi occupation stories.  During that time many Norwegians starved.  My capo terrorist grandfather kept guns not to shoot Germans but rather to hunt fresh meat to supplement the family diet.  He did so at considerable risk.  

So I am hardwired for fish and do not waste food.   I do feel sorry for about 40% of North Americans who work extremely hard to eat themselves to death and in the process typically waste massive amounts of food.  

End of rant....    


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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 6:02pm

 haresfur wrote:
....

The best thing I've heard about trophy hunters is that they are highly unlikely to shoot me by accident because they will see that my rack isn't big enough (although it's improving with age).

 
{#Cheesygrin}
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 3:14pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Question:  Anybody know folks who hunt black bears and actually eat the whole thing?  

I ask because all the hunters I know oppose trophy hunting.   Many (if not most) believe that apex predators should be left alone.  

{#Wave}

Don't hunt bear myself but I know plenty who do, and yes they eat the meat.

Not "the whole thing", nobody does that. Not even with cows or fish or turkeys. But the meat, certainly.

And yes, I've had it. And that's why I don't hunt bear.

 
{#Lol}
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 3:12pm

 westslope wrote:
Question:  Anybody know folks who hunt black bears and actually eat the whole thing?  

I ask because all the hunters I know oppose trophy hunting.   Many (if not most) believe that apex predators should be left alone.  

 
Blech. I've heard that bear is not very tasty. The trouble with leaving apex predators totally alone is that we don't have any natural ecosystems anymore. My belief is that people are not going to leave so we have to manage the systems. Australians killed off their carnivorous marsupials about 60,0000 years ago so the main apex predator for kangaroo is the Holden ute. We have a weird (to me) system here where they hire professional hunters for kangaroo, wild pig, and wild dog control, but heaven forbid someone get some meat or enjoyment out of the population control.

Note: I am not defending this (insert your favourite sexual organ). Especially since they didn't stick around - if it was getting too dark to track the bear, he shouldn't have speared it. That being said, I understand that bow hunting is pretty accepted and have heard claims that an animal shot with an arrow is more likely to drop quickly than a poor gun shot.

The best thing I've heard about trophy hunters is that they are highly unlikely to shoot me by accident because they will see that my rack isn't big enough (although it's improving with age).
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 2:51pm

 westslope wrote:
Question:  Anybody know folks who hunt black bears and actually eat the whole thing?  

I ask because all the hunters I know oppose trophy hunting.   Many (if not most) believe that apex predators should be left alone.  

{#Wave}

Don't hunt bear myself but I know plenty who do, and yes they eat the meat.

Not "the whole thing", nobody does that. Not even with cows or fish or turkeys. But the meat, certainly.

And yes, I've had it. And that's why I don't hunt bear.
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 2:40pm

Question:  Anybody know folks who hunt black bears and actually eat the whole thing?  

I ask because all the hunters I know oppose trophy hunting.   Many (if not most) believe that apex predators should be left alone.  


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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 2:38pm

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Disgusting.  Baiting bears....  Yuck.  
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 2:16pm

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But he didn't use a g-g-g-gun! He prevented gun violence!
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Posted: Aug 17, 2016 - 12:54pm

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Yep.  What a specimen he is. And he's from from Columbus, Ohio.  And not his first instance of being a pinhead.

Though of course he also had 'assistance' in the hunt from a couple of local outfitters.

Thanks, eh?
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Posted: May 11, 2016 - 10:06am

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This is why we need a wall

 
{#Lol}
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Posted: May 11, 2016 - 9:45am

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This is why we need a wall
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Posted: May 11, 2016 - 9:22am

 islander wrote:

Self publishing is to fiction as internet chat forums are to reasonable discourse.

 
Perhaps, but that was not a self-published book.
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Self publishing is to fiction as internet chat forums are to reasonable discourse.
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