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Posted: Feb 15, 2014 - 6:06pm

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Posted: Feb 15, 2014 - 5:24pm

Hi,
This is a bit late to the party here but I thought I'd do a quick shout out re useful software and links to the process of ripping vinyl to digital - as you may know this can be a very time consuming process if you want to get good results.  First a couple of links to the work done by others:

1) Converting Analog Vinyl to Digital using a MAC - fwiw I'm a Linux/PC guy myself, but a lot of the info here is generic and at least one process (using Vinyl Studio) is also available on Windows. The author (mitchco) has done a great job explaining the steps to get real audiophile quality rips from your vinyl and even has links that allow readers to compare their rips with HD Tracks versions. See http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/503-guide-converting-analog-vinyl-digital-files-using-macintosh/ for details.

Note: I just found a Windows specific version of this article here - http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/486-guide-converting-analog-vinyl-digital-files-using-windows/

2) Another excellent 'how to' re digitizing your vinyl collection. See http://birdhouse.org/blog/2011/02/20/digitizing-lps/
Lots of good, practical and step by step advice on how to accomplish this task (from decisions re what to rip vs buy on CD, cleaning procedures, music formats, equipment requirements and the ripping process in detail - including post rip click/noise removal).

I like his suggestion to ignore tools such as Audacity, Garage Band etc as one of the most time consuming part of the process is entering the catalog info for each album by hand - truly a waste of time. Products such as Vinyl Studio are designed to assist in the process and support access to the MusicBrainz and Discogs databases - so you don't have to enter this info manually. Remember that your goal is to do this once only as it is very time consuming).

3) Some tools that might help:

a) Cleaning Vinyl - try the 'Spin Clean' kit and the AudioQuest brush  - for < $100

b) As mentioned above be sure to get a copy of Vinyl Studio (for $30) but you can get a demo version for free from their site, See http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk/VinylStudio/home.aspx. This will save you the hassle of entering album/artist/title info for your albums and will also help rip the vinyl to the format of your choice - IMHO you should choose FLAC or high quality OGG format (forget mp3 as it's a lossy/compressed format). (You can always convert from FLAC/OGG to mp3 later if you need to).

Hope this helps someone - I just started ripping my own vinyl - primarily old records that will never make it to CD - so thought I'd like to pass on some ideas to others.

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Posted: Oct 11, 2013 - 7:37am

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Posted: Aug 25, 2013 - 4:38pm

I prefer using a high quality RIAA preamp such as an PS Audio 4.6 and run it into a E-Mu 0404 usb DAC which is 24 bit/192. I rip at full res and keep that file to work from and from there make it whatever res I need later.
I like to get the best fidelity I can and as you have to do it in real time this way I don't have to do it again later.
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Posted: Aug 25, 2013 - 4:29pm

 mend0dad wrote:
So what you guys are saying is the phono inputs paths in the older analog world were EQ'd on the RIAA curve and need to at least have that RIAA EQ added to the signal before I rip it and I should then find a well balanced sound at that point...  I believe I've run across such a feature, I've just got to go back and find it again.  Would you guys also have a good scratch & pop filter to recommend.  I'm not too happy with the Microsoft provided one on their media player.

Thanks for your responses...

Mend0dad

 

Yep you need the RIAA EQ first.

Audacity is excellent.  If you want to get jiggy and spend a little money ...

Magix is great.  I use their stuff.  Older programs (2006) but I love it and for the money spent its a good deal.

Phono preamp.  Has the RIAA EQ.  Very versatile.  Will handle phono's and anything with RCA line outs.  Will run off of USB power so there is absolutley no hum, feedback or ground loop problems.  spdif out.  Have mine for 6 years. love it.  Has a gain control so it will handle both types of cartridges , mm and mc.  16 bit, but what the hey ... rugged, reliable, portable ...


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Posted: Aug 25, 2013 - 4:03pm

 mend0dad wrote:
So what you guys are saying is the phono inputs paths in the older analog world were EQ'd on the RIAA curve and need to at least have that RIAA EQ added to the signal before I rip it and I should then find a well balanced sound at that point...  I believe I've run across such a feature, I've just got to go back and find it again.  Would you guys also have a good scratch & pop filter to recommend.  I'm not too happy with the Microsoft provided one on their media player.

Thanks for your responses...

Mend0dad

 
I use the filter that comes with Audacity which is also great for doing the rip. Its free and works on Macs and PC's, The filters aggressiveness and duration are adjustable and it works quite well.


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Posted: Aug 25, 2013 - 3:59pm

So what you guys are saying is the phono inputs paths in the older analog world were EQ'd on the RIAA curve and need to at least have that RIAA EQ added to the signal before I rip it and I should then find a well balanced sound at that point...  I believe I've run across such a feature, I've just got to go back and find it again.  Would you guys also have a good scratch & pop filter to recommend.  I'm not too happy with the Microsoft provided one on their media player.

Thanks for your responses...

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Posted: Aug 24, 2013 - 4:55pm

 mend0dad wrote:

When ripping LP’s, what EQ settings would be good to start off with?  It seems the few times I’ve done it so far, it comes out basically sounding tinny… Ok, so when I back off the high end some, then some more on the next try, it still sounds lacking and certainly not pleasing to my ear.  Ultimately I end up chasing around the audio spectrum for hours and getting nowhere.  Any suggestions out there?



 

Without a phono preamp somewhere between your turntable and computer you are spinning your wheels.  If you are going to do some serious ripping there are some decent outboard preamps that convert to USB for under $100.

Or as dave said below, run it through your receiver via tape out to your puter, and do not EQ or add effects until after you have ripped.
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Posted: Aug 24, 2013 - 2:32pm

 mend0dad wrote:

When ripping LP’s, what EQ settings would be good to start off with?  It seems the few times I’ve done it so far, it comes out basically sounding tinny… Ok, so when I back off the high end some, then some more on the next try, it still sounds lacking and certainly not pleasing to my ear.  Ultimately I end up chasing around the audio spectrum for hours and getting nowhere.  Any suggestions out there?



 
Lp's were cut using the "RIAA" eq curve that has multiple turnover points so they should be played back using an RIAA phono preamp. Using a mic input doesn't provide any eq if thats how you are doing it. There is also a software alternative that adds the RIAA eq but I don't don't know of any free ones. You could always get a separate phono preamp or an old receiver with a phono input and run the tape out to the computers line in.
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Posted: Aug 24, 2013 - 2:26pm

When ripping LP’s, what EQ settings would be good to start off with?  It seems the few times I’ve done it so far, it comes out basically sounding tinny… Ok, so when I back off the high end some, then some more on the next try, it still sounds lacking and certainly not pleasing to my ear.  Ultimately I end up chasing around the audio spectrum for hours and getting nowhere.  Any suggestions out there?


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Posted: Dec 19, 2011 - 8:35am

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First it depends on what OS you are using. XP is the last to have it and VISTA etc uses WASAPI but it does basically the same thing and can also be bypassed the same way. Bypassing the kmixer doesn'y bypass the sound card. The kmixer is a built in part of WDM Audio to help helps mix multiple audio streams, sample rate conversion and speaker and channel mapping so driver designers don't have to deal with it.  Just having the kmixer in use causes at least 30ms of latency and can cause the audio to not be "bit perfect" in some cases. The XP version of Winamp uses "DirectSound" to bypass the kmixer. You should also always leave the PC volume at 100% (or bypass it altogether) and use your preamp/amp to vary the volume.

 

I'm using XP.  I almost always have the output volume maxed and do use the receiver for volume control.

I'm hitting the road soon for the rest of the day.  I'll check out this function later and get back iffen I have any troubles with this function.

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Posted: Dec 19, 2011 - 8:22am

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Just went to the add a file drop down and copied the url from my winamp entry and pasted it in.  Piece of cake.  Listening now.

Again the difference is tremendous.  Don't know if I want to get into bypassing the k mixer.  I'm taking the signal out of the puter through the optical output into the receiver's optical in.  Theoretically I'm bypassing the soundcard all together doing this ?

Will I hear the difference by bypassing the k mixer ?  Is this opening a can of worms ?  I'm very happy with the results so far.  This is a very intuitive device.
 
First it depends on what OS you are using. XP is the last to have it and VISTA etc uses WASAPI but it does basically the same thing and can also be bypassed the same way. Bypassing the kmixer doesn'y bypass the sound card. The kmixer is a built in part of WDM Audio to help helps mix multiple audio streams, sample rate conversion and speaker and channel mapping so driver designers don't have to deal with it.  Just having the kmixer in use causes at least 30ms of latency and can cause the audio to not be "bit perfect" in some cases. The XP version of Winamp uses "DirectSound" to bypass the kmixer. You should also always leave the PC volume at 100% (or bypass it altogether) and use your preamp/amp to vary the volume.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2011 - 7:33am

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Foobar is by far the one of the best players for the PC. It allows you to use ASIO to bypass the kmixer which very few players do. Its very configurable also. Its pretty bland out of the box but with s little configuring it can be anything you want.

Edit: Almost forgot - You use the plug in "foo_read_http" to stream RP

 

Just went to the add a file drop down and copied the url from my winamp entry and pasted it in.  Piece of cake.  Listening now.

Again the difference is tremendous.  Don't know if I want to get into bypassing the k mixer.  I'm taking the signal out of the puter through the optical output into the receiver's optical in.  Theoretically I'm bypassing the soundcard all together doing this ?

Will I hear the difference by bypassing the k mixer ?  Is this opening a can of worms ?  I'm very happy with the results so far.  This is a very intuitive device.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2011 - 7:34pm

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Cymbals crash and decay now and a Leslie sounds like a Leslie ...
 
and best of all....its free! And doesn't take a ton of resources to run. 

It even has an HDCD decoder plugin if you have any of them...


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Posted: Dec 17, 2011 - 7:32pm

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Now if only they would port it for the MAC. They have been contacted and asked that many times and it seems they have no interest in doing so.

 

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Posted: Dec 17, 2011 - 7:16pm

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{#Notworthy}   OMFG this is tits !!!!

This is day and night.  This is going to be fun. 

I'm sure I'm going to have some where's this questions down the road, but right now I'm going to be playing some music that sounds brand new, again.

I've got about an hour before I gotta turn it down and respect the neighbors.

{#Cheers}

 
Now if only they would port it for the MAC. They have been contacted and asked that many times and it seems they have no interest in doing so.
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Posted: Dec 17, 2011 - 7:02pm

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Foobar is by far the one of the best players for the PC. It allows you to use ASIO to bypass the kmixer which very few players do. Its very configurable also. Its pretty bland out of the box but with s little configuring it can be anything you want.

Edit: Almost forgot - You use the plug in "foo_read_http" to stream RP

 

{#Notworthy}   OMFG this is tits !!!!

This is day and night.  This is going to be fun. 

I'm sure I'm going to have some where's this questions down the road, but right now I'm going to be playing some music that sounds brand new, again.

I've got about an hour before I gotta turn it down and respect the neighbors.

{#Cheers}


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Posted: Dec 17, 2011 - 6:12pm

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Never heard of Foobar.  I am at the website now.  Looks very comprehensive.  I am all pc here and wav is my primary source material.

Never used I tunes either. Either windows media player or an ancient copy of winmx (2.81) which uses hardly any resources and is what I use to stream RP with.

Can I get RP to stream through Foobar ? 

I am hoping to hear a difference between media player 11 and Foobar.  I also see that Foobar is DLNA which is excellent as my receiver has that function.
 
Foobar is by far the one of the best players for the PC. It allows you to use ASIO to bypass the kmixer which very few players do. Its very configurable also. Its pretty bland out of the box but with s little configuring it can be anything you want.

Edit: Almost forgot - You use the plug in "foo_read_http" to stream RP


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Posted: Dec 17, 2011 - 6:07pm

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I've never liked  iTunes and never used it much. My library and ripping was originally done with EAC on a PC and playback was played with Foobar which I still feel is the best program. That PC was being used for just a music server as I use Mac for everything else. Then the motherboard croaked so I rebuilt it as a Hackintosh and now use Decibel and MAX for ripping and am pretty happy with it so far.

 
Never heard of Foobar.  I am at the website now.  Looks very comprehensive.  I am all pc here and wav is my primary source material.

Never used I tunes either. Either windows media player or an ancient copy of winmx (oops) winamp (2.81) which uses hardly any resources and is what I use to stream RP with.

Can I get RP to stream through Foobar ? 

I am hoping to hear a difference between media player 11 and Foobar.  I also see that Foobar is DLNA which is excellent as my receiver has that function.

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