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Posted: Jul 8, 2017 - 2:27am

Read the CIA’s 1951 listicle comparing U.S and Soviet Propaganda
Agency memo found 33 similarities between Voice of America and its USSR counterparts

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Posted: Mar 2, 2017 - 9:23am

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This has always been one of the most misguided notions ever put forth. Does anyone really think it has to do with a certain "generation", as if those born after the early 1960s are not consuming just as the "boomers" are? Is there something inherent in people born from 1943-1960 or 1945-1964 that causes them "to consume at someone else’s expense"? Did they get a special gene or something that no one else was ever born with?

What about those of earlier generations, like say, the Romans, or the slave owners in the U.S. south, or those that drove the beaver and buffalo to near extinction in North America and slaughtered Native Americans to do so? The examples are nearly endless.

I'd argue that if you took any generation and put them in the conditions of post-WW II U.S. (barring niche groups like the Puritans/Calvinists) they'd have done much the same as the baby boomers. The "overriding imperative" is human greed and selfishness given the opportunities, not a sample of people born in the span of 15-20 years.

 
Well of course, there is nothing "special" about the genetic makeup of boomers that makes them more selfish than other generations.  What is special is the environment they grew up in and how that impacted their approach to consumption/debt.  Arguably, even the ethos of the hippies, breaking down rules, norms and even manners which kept people in line, contributed.   Relative to the environment of the "greatest generation" who went through the depression and WW, it's easy to see why they were conservative.  And for the subsequent generations, arguably they are even worse...which begs the question: " How are we ever going to get out from under this mountain of public and private debt?"


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Posted: Mar 2, 2017 - 8:51am

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Thought this comment summed it:  "A giant generation of boomers can and does, and their overriding imperative is to consume at someone else’s expense. To say they succeeded is to understate."

 



 
This has always been one of the most misguided notions ever put forth. Does anyone really think it has to do with a certain "generation", as if those born after the early 1960s are not consuming just as the "boomers" are? Is there something inherent in people born from 1943-1960 or 1945-1964 that causes them "to consume at someone else’s expense"? Did they get a special gene or something that no one else was ever born with?

What about those of earlier generations, like say, the Romans, or the slave owners in the U.S. south, or those that drove the beaver and buffalo to near extinction in North America and slaughtered Native Americans to do so? The examples are nearly endless.

I'd argue that if you took any generation and put them in the conditions of post-WW II U.S. (barring niche groups like the Puritans/Calvinists) they'd have done much the same as the baby boomers. The "overriding imperative" is human greed and selfishness given the opportunities, not a sample of people born in the span of 15-20 years.


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Posted: Mar 2, 2017 - 6:21am

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I read that article a few days ago and I thought it was interesting in the way it was written.
I suppose you could take anything historical and weave a narrative around it.
Us baby boomers have heard about ourselves so much that I do think that some of us belive we are special after all.
(sorta like Jerry Seinfeld once said, "my mother was right, I am special")
From my viewpoint from this little plot of Earth that I occupy I have alway thought that baby boomers are the luckiest generation in history,
If you were born in the USA after WWII all you had to do was try and you'd be alright
the other thing, boomer's children are spoiled rotten brats due to their parents

as far as how they "destroyed everything", well not everything but we have been on a free ride from the government if you look at the spending 
Our parents went by the code if you can't afford it you can't have it, not us baby it's party time 

 

Thought this comment summed it:  "A giant generation of boomers can and does, and their overriding imperative is to consume at someone else’s expense. To say they succeeded is to understate."

 


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Posted: Mar 1, 2017 - 3:23pm

 black321 wrote: 
I read that article a few days ago and I thought it was interesting in the way it was written.
I suppose you could take anything historical and weave a narrative around it.
Us baby boomers have heard about ourselves so much that I do think that some of us belive we are special after all.
(sorta like Jerry Seinfeld once said, "my mother was right, I am special")
From my viewpoint from this little plot of Earth that I occupy I have alway thought that baby boomers are the luckiest generation in history,
If you were born in the USA after WWII all you had to do was try and you'd be alright
the other thing, boomer's children are spoiled rotten brats due to their parents

as far as how they "destroyed everything", well not everything but we have been on a free ride from the government if you look at the spending 
Our parents went by the code if you can't afford it you can't have it, not us baby it's party time 


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Posted: Mar 1, 2017 - 2:23pm

(figure this thread is as good as any to post this)

How the baby boomers destroyed everything


https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2017/02/26/how-baby-boomers-destroyed-everything/lVB9eG5mATw3wxo6XmDZFL/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed


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Posted: Mar 1, 2017 - 11:34am

(...) The reaction to last night’s Owens moment was fascinating because the widespread media contempt for Trump clashed with their instinctive veneration of all matters relating to U.S. war; in most cases, the latter triumphed. But more interesting than that is what this ritual reveals about how Americans are taught to think about war and the reasons it is so easy for the political class – no matter the outcome of elections or what polling data tells us or how many people senselessly die – to continue and escalate endless wars. These propaganda rituals are well-tested and very potent.

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Posted: Feb 24, 2017 - 2:29pm

Almost two years old but still valid.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2017 - 11:05am

The Increasingly Unhinged Russia Rhetoric Comes From a Long-Standing U.S. Playbook (Greenwald)

For aspiring journalists, historians, or politically engaged citizens, there are few more productive uses of one’s time than randomly reading through the newsletters of I.F. Stone, the intrepid and independent journalist of the Cold War era who became, in my view, the nation’s first “blogger” even though he died before the advent of the internet. Frustrated by big media’s oppressive corporatized environment and its pro-government propaganda model, and then ultimately blacklisted from mainstream media outlets for his objections to anti-Russia narratives, Stone created his own bi-monthly newsletter, sustained exclusively by subscriptions, and spent 18 years relentlessly debunking propaganda spewing from the U.S. government and its media partners.

What makes Stone’s body of work so valuable is not its illumination of history but rather its illumination of the present. What’s most striking about his newsletters is how little changes when it comes to U.S. government propaganda and militarism, and the role the U.S. media plays in sustaining it all. Indeed, reading through his reporting, one gets the impression that U.S. politics just endlessly replays the same debates, conflicts, and tactics. (...)

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Posted: Jan 8, 2017 - 3:34pm

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Posted: Jan 5, 2017 - 5:17pm

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But you still bought a new shirt. 

 
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Posted: Jan 5, 2017 - 5:16pm

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intellectual dishonesty and mass manipulation continued at a steady clip even at record cost overruns...PEI adjusted to negation

 
But you still bought a new shirt. 
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Posted: Jan 5, 2017 - 5:12pm

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Exaggeration and hyperbole increased by at least a million percent in 2016.

 
intellectual dishonesty and mass manipulation continued at a steady clip even at record cost overruns...PEI adjusted to reflect evidential negation sub societal flatline


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Posted: Jan 4, 2017 - 7:36am

Exaggeration and hyperbole increased by at least a million percent in 2016.


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Posted: Jan 4, 2017 - 2:35am

Brexit Could Cost Britain $42 Billion of Direct Funding From EU

From the European funds... Where does this money come from? And how much did the UK pay for this 'gift'? Hint: It's more than they will get in return.


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Posted: Dec 6, 2016 - 5:10pm

Weather Channel strikes back at Breitbart
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Posted: Dec 1, 2016 - 4:45pm

The Propaganda About Russian Propaganda
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Posted: Apr 13, 2016 - 8:47pm

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Katehi should be gone, and the Chancellors should overhaul the campus security system systemwide. Once those two things happen, I have no problem with the school trying to present a better image. Davis is a good school and the more this stuff drags on, the harder it is for it to remain a good school. 

Probably right. Unfortunately there are always those that think underlying problems can be fixed with a big dose of PR, which obviously makes things worse. Consultants are happy to oblige.

Good luck getting rid of a popular meme.
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Posted: Apr 13, 2016 - 8:41pm

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Katehi should be gone, and the Chancellors should overhaul the campus security system systemwide. Once those two things happen, I have no problem with the school trying to present a better image. Davis is a good school and the more this stuff drags on, the harder it is for it to remain a good school.
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Posted: Apr 13, 2016 - 8:35pm

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UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper-spray references from Internet

UC Davis contracted with consultants for at least $175,000 to scrub the Internet of negative online postings following the November 2011 pepper-spraying of students and to improve the reputations of both the university and Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi, newly released documents show.

The payments were made as the university was trying to boost its image online and were among several contracts issued following the pepper-spray incident.

Some payments were made in hopes of improving the results computer users obtained when searching for information about the university or Katehi, results that one consultant labeled “venomous rhetoric about UC Davis and the chancellor.”

Others sought to improve the school’s use of social media and to devise a new plan for the UC Davis strategic communications office, which has seen its budget rise substantially since Katehi took the chancellor’s post in 2009. Figures released by UC Davis show the strategic communications budget increased from $2.93 million in 2009 to $5.47 million in 2015.

“We have worked to ensure that the reputation of the university, which the chancellor leads, is fairly portrayed,” said UC Davis spokeswoman Dana Topousis. “We wanted to promote and advance the important teaching, research and public service done by our students, faculty and staff, which is the core mission of our university.”

Money to pay the consultants came from the communications department budget, Topousis said. (...)

Back to square one...

 
it didn't work very well
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